Karna: Does He Deserve So Much Respect??[DT Note Page 15]

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Alakh

@Autumn_Rose

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Posted: 11 years ago

#91

First of those acts, was ofcourse his giving up of Kavach and Kundal.
Although Karna was a warrior par excellence, it cannot be denied that his Kavach and Kundal made him invincible and immortal. And these added to his already superior skills as a warrior.

Hey Amrita, very nicely put.

Tell me, what do you think of the following questions?

Did he not give his kavach and kundal to prove that he can slay Arjuna without them as well? Did he not have pride in his skills? His life was consumed by the fact that he wanted to show everyone else his worth, that he is equally skilled.. he wanted to put Arjun down. Don't you think that an aim like that in one's life, that which is consumed by hatred and revenge is not good.

in my opinion, this was what was wrong with him. He knew the distinction between right and wrong... But still..

Also, I feel that poor Karn was doomed from the start.. From his birth, abandoned by his mother.. All his life, he fought for respect..

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TheWatcher

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Posted: 11 years ago

#92

Originally posted by: ..BlessedOne..
Krishna breaking his vow, dat was meant for Bhishm too, so it cant be taken as example. Breaking vow for two devotees nd using that type of language for non-devotee, there's a difference.

Him praising Karna's warrior skills is contradictory due to Satyaki statement bt him counting Karna's sins isn't contradictory. Krishna was delighted after his death nd never praised him after dat.

Nd Karna never ever defeated Arjuna. He was highly jealous nd obsessed wid him.

it does not hold anything when said that Krishna infuriated Arjuna by his dialogues.

Krishna said those to that Arjuna would anger up. And secondly, the citation which was provided ine EDT does not say anything about Krisha breaking his vow for Bhishma, it only says that Krishna is paying respect to him by personally rushing to kill him. This can be further argued in EDT or D&D thread.

You are contradicting yourself mate, first you said that - Krishna's word is the ultimate thing, and now when his words were in Karna's court, 'contradiction' is seeming to occur from your side.

Well, in Kurekshetra - some highly powerful people never left his side did they?, they protected him from Karna at all times, first the Nagastra, secondly saving his chariot from exploding, thirdly - using illusive powers to prevent Karna from killing Arjuna.

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Alakh

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Posted: 11 years ago

#93

Originally posted by: ..BlessedOne..
Krishna breaking his vow, dat was meant for Bhishm too, so it cant be taken as example. Breaking vow for two devotees nd using that type of language for non-devotee, there's a difference.

Him praising Karna's warrior skills is contradictory due to Satyaki statement bt him counting Karna's sins isn't contradictory. Krishna was delighted after his death nd never praised him after dat.

Nd Karna never ever defeated Arjuna. He was highly jealous nd obsessed wid him.

I believe, in a way everyone who died and suffered due to the war was somewhat cleansed of their sins... They were assisting the poorv nirman that was to take place..

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Cotswolds

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Posted: 11 years ago

#94

This is a balanced thread with great comments, citations from everyone and a lot can be learnt from different perspectives about Karna.. I hope it does not degenerate into Karna Vs Arjun -- Who is superior.. kind of thread..

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Diala D

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Posted: 11 years ago

#95

Originally posted by: riti4u
Well when krishna offered draupadi to karna then many of you conveniently claimed that it could be krishna's leela .. he was not serious about that...but then if these citations you all produced show me the same ..that krishna didntmean it...or rather said only to provoke arjuna...then I might be biased delusional fan ..is it?
Anyways .. I came here to post my reply to title of your post... and yes since this forum believes in citations too much...

here citations after death of karna... great hero fell with respect and honor..that your post title asked...

Krishna Leela? Riti that is claimed to be later interpolation by some random Karna fanatic.. so forget that.. and the citation you gave, well that is something Sanjaya was telling Dhridrashtra.. who is Sanjaya? He is from Duryodhan's side and no big deal that he praised Karna.. ok now dont tell me all the war parvas were what Sanjaya was narratting to Dhridrashtra.. it all depends on what is told.. what I like and what I dont..

mm better you hear it from me darling.. 😊

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Alakh

@Autumn_Rose

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Posted: 11 years ago

#96

Originally posted by: Cotswolds
This is a balanced thread with great comments, citations from everyone and a lot can be learnt from different perspectives about Karna.. I hope it does not degenerate into Karna Vs Arjun -- Who is superior.. kind of thread..

True😉

We have all got choices, we've all got voices and we have respect for everyone😃😳

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TheWatcher

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Posted: 11 years ago

#97

We have 'Kurekshetra' thread for these war debates, but the person who I quoted stated about who hasn't defeated whom - thus provoking one for bringing the age old debate.

Diala

Sarcasm is too high in your post 😆

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Alakh

@Autumn_Rose

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Posted: 11 years ago

#98

People, please define Daan. 😊

Idk why I somehow feel that it was not just the daanveer feeling that made him give his K&K.. I have always felt that Karn wanted to be able to defeat Arjuna without it.. and it wasn't like he couldn't...

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TheWatcher

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Posted: 11 years ago

#99

Originally posted by: Autumn_Rose

People, please define Daan. 😊

Idk why I somehow feel that it was not just the daanveer feeling that made him give his K&K.. I have always felt that Karn wanted to be able to defeat Arjuna without it.. and it wasn't like he couldn't...

Surya dev came into Karna's dream the night before Indra was going to approach Karna. Suryadev told Karna about the Indra fiasco and Karna told him that he will donate the Kavach no matter what. Surya dev then, persuaded Karna into asking Shakti, he did not wanted it as said by him self, it was Surya who gave him a order of some sorts.