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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: -Shruti

Main Duryodhana hoon.

^ I didn't get it. Duryodhana was Kali, a demon. How Narayana can say that he's Duryodhana? Someone enlighten me please.

Regarding "Mein Duryodhan hoon", I guess it's Krishna's way of saying that He is Everything...

AFAIK, Krishna's line is ,"Amongst the Pandavas, I am Arjuna"
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: -Shruti

Main Duryodhana hoon.

^ I didn't get it. Duryodhana was Kali, a demon. How Narayana can say that he's Duryodhana? Someone enlighten me please.


It is the concept of jeevatma & paramatma. Paramatma is all pervading i-e there is a spark of divinity in everyone, in all the jeevatmas... you, me, arjun, duryodhan. He resides everywhere, in the grossest and also in the subtlest. Form does not matter. Afterall it is soul that matters & not the body

That is my understanding
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: TheWatcher

So, its like we believe one book and we can change change the book because it supports our base.

Changing the book for proving one point is not right. Bhagvatam is sure reliable but this part is from Mahabharata and KMG has to be used. I can give citations which call Karna a big fish while Arjuna was only a small fish - but would it be right against a debate on Karna vs Arjuna?, it wont be. The same reason is applied to this point too.

When did I say Bhishma took a 2nd vow?, he was quite during the Vastraharan because he was bound by his vow. ( Please correct me If I am wrong on this one )

It was an absolutely amazing episode today,everybody is discussing that.Why are u so angry .cant u put aside these citation arguments once
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: -Shruti

Main Duryodhana hoon.

^ I didn't get it. Duryodhana was Kali, a demon. How Narayana can say that he's Duryodhana? Someone enlighten me please.

i belive they ment to say that paramatma(krishna) is also the evil duryodhana while simalteniously being the good paarth, waise bhi un dono ki jeevatma kaa srot toh ek hi hain.
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Posted: 11 years ago
karmany evadhikaras te
ma phalesu kadacana
ma karma-phala-hetur bhur
ma te sango 'stv akarmani

You have a right to perform your prescribed duty, but you are not entitled to the fruits of action. Never consider yourself to be the cause of the results of your activities, and never be attached to not doing your duty

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: -Shruti

Main Duryodhana hoon.

^ I didn't get it. Duryodhana was Kali, a demon. How Narayana can say that he's Duryodhana? Someone enlighten me please.



In short understand that he is the supreme being, he is Kali - because Kali too is an ansh of Parmatma. Everyone, whether he is a demon or an angel, is a part/ansh of Parmatma.

Secondly, don't go by literal sense of SP, there were dialogues posted by someone where Krishna was stating his position. Here is it -

" Of Adityas iam Vishnu, Of Rudras iam Sankara, Of Devas iam Indra, Of Punishers iam Yama, Of Weapons iam Vajra, Of Celestial Stars iam Moon, Of Bright Radiannt Bodies iam Sun, Of Pandavas iam Arjuna, Of Water Bodies iam Oceans, Of Mountains iam Himalayas, Of Rivers iam Ganges, Of Cows iam Kamadenu, Of Serpents iam Vasuku, Of 5 Senses iam Mind, Of Humans iam Soul, Of Devastaters iam Devastating Agents, Of Cheaters iam Gambling, Of Trees iam Banyan, Of Devarishis iam Narad muni, Of Panchabhootas iam Fire, Of Captains iam Karthikeya, Of Justice iam Harmony "

The people mentioned above are supreme in their genre and hence Krishna is saying he is the supreme one.
Edited by TheWatcher - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
yes, he is EVERYTHING, yet he is NOTHING.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: pooja123ar

It was an absolutely amazing episode today,everybody is discussing that.Why are u so angry .cant u put aside these citation arguments once



Don't worry this topic is not related to todays episode, it is an another argument which has been going on for a few days. My bad I should have quoted the person.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: TheWatcher



In short understand that he is the supreme being, he is Kali - because Kali too is an ansh of Parmatma. Everyone, whether he is a demon or an angel, is a part/ansh of Parmatma.

Secondly, don't go by literal sense of SP, there were dialogues posted by someone where Krishna was stating his position. Here is it -

" Of Adityas iam Vishnu, Of Rudras iam Sankara, Of Devas iam Indra, Of Punishers iam Yama, Of Weapons iam Vajra, Of Celestial Stars iam Moon, Of Bright Radiannt Bodies iam Sun, Of Pandavas iam Arjuna, Of Water Bodies iam Oceans, Of Mountains iam Himalayas, Of Rivers iam Ganges, Of Cows iam Kamadenu, Of Serpents iam Vasuku, Of 5 Senses iam Mind, Of Humans iam Soul, Of Devastaters iam Devastating Agents, Of Cheaters iam Gambling, Of Trees iam Banyan, Of Devarishis iam Narad muni, Of Panchabhootas iam Fire, Of Captains iam Karthikeya, Of Justice iam Harmony "

The people mentioned above are supreme in their genre and hence Krishna is saying he is the supreme one.


They should have made Krishna say this. It would have been awesome.




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Posted: 11 years ago
It is not one's deeds that restrict a person it is the hopes and aspirations related to those deeds which actually affect or rather restrict a person.
If you are scared of consequences of loosing then you would end up doing certain things which are wrong and may not be virtuous and if you end up being victorious your greed and pride would give raise to a desire which would demand you to conquer the world.
So if you wouldnt have any desire for victory and apprehensions on loosing the war then would you feel joyous or remoreseful??
I would feel neither madhav
Which means you are worried about your aspirations...

sukha dukhe same' kritva labha labhou jaya jayou
tatho yuddhaya yujyasva naivam papam avapsyasi
I love it when Madhav adressed him as kaunteya
Also I really liked other stanzas where he says
onewho has attained the knowledge of saankhya yoga it is not really difficult for him to attain the knowledge of Karma yoga...
One of the major consequence in he society is the learned and righteous men give up their worldly pleasures hant Bheeshma given up worldly pleasures people would have stayed peacefully, hadnt pandu given up worldly pleasures there would be prevalence of Dharma and yuddhisthira would have ruled peacefully and righteousness would prevail in the society...
People possesing satwa guna give up worldly pleasures and people having the thamas guna take up[ major positions and rule the world and hence there is prevalence of unrighteousness...
Karma yogi is the one who performs deeds without expecting the result of it and such people are important because they donot expect anything yet they help in accomplishing the worldly tasks ...
and parents shouldnt expect anything from their children because it is not a buisness and should only impart righteousness.
The one who doesnt get effected by mere success or failure is called karma yogi..
Expecting the result to be fruitful leads to an aspiration and the essense of aspiration is to stay unsatisfied and that leads to anger and agony .Agony leads to attachment and atachment is the reason a person forgets principles and code of conduct ...
This leads to loss of wisdom and loss of widom leads to performing unrighteous deeds and the world becomes an enemy to such person and the end of such person is death with loss of everything...
Karma yoga is also bhramha vidhya...
Parmatma is eternal learn that you are an aatma and depart yourself from false notions...
At last half:😳
Karmanye vadhi karasthe maa phaleshu kadachana
maa karma phala hetur bho mate sangho swakarmani
Yada yada hi dharmasya glaneerbhavathi bharatha abhyuktaanam adharmaasya tadatmaanam srujamyaham
Listening to them I have grown up but it is special when SRJ says it...
Shaheer take a bow you are ARJUNA this all I can say.in your praise
In starbharath Shaheer pooja and saurabh are living their characters..
POOJA because she was exemplary during VH



Edited by frappie - 11 years ago

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