Mahabharat Episode Discussion Thread # 10/ DT's Nt pg 121 - Page 40

Two questions -

Ok last time I checked this thread was on page 25. So I am just gonna skip the next 25 pages.😆

after watching episode I think starkrishna doesnot like starkarna too much! 😕 he was not really interested to get him on his side, because he thought he was beyond any negotiation now

Originally posted by: -Shani-

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<font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, Symbola, EmojiSymbols">1. Anyone else thinks that showing⭐️Dury to be chaining and jailing Krishna was another attempt by the CVs to "dilute"⭐️Yudi's sins of proclaiming "pride over dharma" and stating "staking wife is not adharma"?</font>

<font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, Symbola, EmojiSymbols">Which is the bigger crime here - the "so-called dharmic" wife-staking or "arresting God"? </font>

<font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, Symbola, EmojiSymbols">Did⭐️Yudi ever experience such hallucinogenic visions in the dice hall?</font>

2. I was watching⭐️B's Amba track (yeah, remember her?)

And, Amba had no qualms in admitting that she wanted "vengeance". If so, then why are the CVs so completely wary of wanting to bring out⭐️Drau's "vengeful" side?

Why is⭐️ksehtra being drummed up as a war for "betterment of society, for the greater good"? Doesn't that sound too idealistic and preachy?

If the Kurukshetra War was really foughtfor "the greater good" (as in, having longterm benefits), then why do crimes against women still persist in the Kaliyug?

Nope. There is no connection between Yudi's staking and Dury's attempt to arrest Krishna...Dury has always been shown as evil and corrupt, so it's not like they would suddenly have to show this Virat Roop drama to justify why he needs to be destroyed. Both crimes are on equal level. But considering the society of those times, people would have less problem with women being staked-they were fast becoming mere chattel anyway-than somebody attempting to bind up God. Also thing about Yudi was he recognized what he did was wrong and during 12 years he must have done penance for it. (Or I hardly think a woman of Drau's character would have tolerated him if he continued the 'I was only doing dharm' jaap even when they were exiled). Duryodhan refused to be chastised even when Krishna revealed his divine form to everyone in the Sabha. Duryodhan's main crime was he was just too damn pig-headed. He wasn't willing to compromise, nor acknowledge God even when He was in front of his eyes. His ignorance is what is supposed to make him a vile character.

Also, I think Star Bharat CV's have actually OVER-emphasized Drau's quest for vengeance. In fact going by Star Bharat CV's entire war happened because Drau was staked and humiliated and she was desperate for revenge. For past one week they have been showing these 'Draupadi the Maha Movie promos' and since the serial began she has been saying this dialogue 'Ab tum mera vidhwans dekhoge'. It's like the very purpose she was born was so that she could be humiliated and then start a war.

Kurukshetra war was fought for betterment of society and greater good. But the problem with it is that it doesn't always last. Krishna's own clan ended up becoming corrupted and destroying themselves. The very point of Kali Yuga is that this is the era when society becomes corrupted and people lose their morals. Yes from time to time wars can be fought so that society doesn't become too depraved, but that doesn't mean society in its entirety can be saved or reformed just by a war. MB's purpose was simply to tell people that no matter what situation you are in, you must do the duty that God has given you without looking for any benefits.

Also after Kurukshetra when Parikshit was made king, good society did persist for some time. The demon Kali then went up to him and asked for places within the kingdom where he could reside and he was given them. Which means Parikshit must have known that eventually society was going to get seduced by loss of morals and would transition to an evil age.

Crimes against women happen because of long term patriarchal mindset which is embedded in people's minds since childhood. Even other women are guilty of it. To stop them, you need to overturn the whole system which sees women as merely commodities or inferior powers. And that is precisely what happened with Drau throughout the epic. By the time MB took place status of women was already declining, so I don't think it must have been a major objective. People forget that Draupadi was an upper caste queen so fighting a war for her honour in no way ensures the collective well being of other woman who are not so privileged.

Anyway overall I think that there are thousands of problems in the world come to look at it...caste system, gender discrimination, racism, poverty, corruption, etc, etc. You would need a very broad story to cover all these aspects and even then there is no guarantee you would end up putting the 'right' perspective because within themselves people are divided about these things. Considering the fact that it could have just been a story about 2 cousins fighting for land, MB put across as many issues as it could. It is up to people to debate these things..no epic or book can provide definitions of absolute right or wrong, it is your subjective interpretation.

Originally posted by: bheegi

It's a matter of being insecure. People like Krishna, Vidura (he was also Ved Vyas's son but born to a maid) were secure with who they were- here of course I'm talking about Krishna as a human avatar. We can all learn from the way Krishna conducted his life as a human avatar.

Yes, of course everyone should strive to attain a higher goal and skill in life but not at the expense of following the wrong path. Dhirubhai Ambani was a self made man but he never worked for people like Dawood etc to find personal glory and recognition. Abraham Lincoln followed dharma and cannot be compared to karna at all. Karna was more anxious about his personal glory and recognition in the society even if it came via his friendship with an adharmi. There is a difference here- kinda like movie Deewar. Amitabh and Shashi kapoor both had humble beginnings but Shashi kapoor achieved glory by following the law but Amitabh achieved fame by breaking the law (i know it's a cheesy analogy here😆)

but even karna never gained glory or skills through adharma yes he did support dury but for his support to dury he never gained any glory or recognition.He gained glory for different things like for the promises he made to kunti,for refusing krishna offer ,for giving away his kavach and kundal .His skills as a warrior weren't established through adharma .He defeated many kings at dury's wife's swyamabar which impressed jarasandha then he then defeated jarasandha and hence jarasandha gave him malini.He then did a a vishwa yatra in which he defeated several kings in aryavrata in the same way pandavas did.For the wrong things he did with dury he has never gained glory or recognition.He was recognized as a warrior for all the right things he did

as far as security goes hmm not sure he thought he deserved more and worked towards it wouldn't call it being insecure.Even arjuna and bhima were proud warriors infqct devdutt patnaik in jaya has said arjuna was insecure of his status as the world's best archer in any case its was more of pride than insecurity for all of these warriors.They all thought they were the best

my point is not only karna but if any one thinks that they deserve more in life then go for it.Being secure doesnt mean be happy with what you have even if you think you deserve more

Originally posted by: -Shani-

In the epic, did Karna ever try to correct Dury's mistakes, or even tell him,"What you're doing is wrong...please mend your ways"?

Being loyal to a friend is one thing, and I have no doubts about Karna's loyalty to Dury.

But, why didn't Karna ever give a rap on the knuckles to Dury about his behaviour? Surely, a "friend" is allowed to do that, right?

Or did Karna really think that telling Dury "right from wrong" ACTUALLY amounted to disloyalty?

This is one aspect of the Karna-Duryodhan friendship I've never really understood...

i dont think karna ever thought dury was wrong.He always used suggest things to dury time to time and dury used to listen and accept it .So unlike starkrana epic's karna could actually make suggestions to dury so if he thought dury was doing something wrong he would have said something but i dont think epic's karna ever though that dury is an adharmi

Originally posted by: -Shani-

In the epic, did Karna ever try to correct Dury's mistakes, or even tell him,"What you're doing is wrong...please mend your ways"?

Being loyal to a friend is one thing, and I have no doubts about Karna's loyalty to Dury.

But, why didn't Karna ever give a rap on the knuckles to Dury about his behaviour? Surely, a "friend" is allowed to do that, right?

Or did Karna really think that telling Dury "right from wrong" ACTUALLY amounted to disloyalty?

This is one aspect of the Karna-Duryodhan friendship I've never really understood...

are you guys done talking about karna?

^^

No, is talking about him bad?

Has anyone seen Draupadi-Agnipariksha,What is it exactly??