Feedback to CVs/ Story distortion # 3 - Page 42

Originally posted by: thearcher

But as far as the Pandavas' reluctance goes, it is not incorrect.

ya its not incorrect just exaggerated and stretched

even in BRC they showed arjuna crying while shooting arrows towards pitamah but it was much more subtle

Originally posted by: thearcher

Yeah these few episodes have been dragging🥱.

But as far as the Pandavas' reluctance goes, it is not incorrect.

Also he did drop his weapons so they were attacking an unarmed man. Shikhandi did shoot at Pithamah as well. It was Arjuns arrows that felled him

Originally posted by: TheWatcher

Arjuna literally broke all of his bows, Bhishma did not drop his weapons as shown in SP's MB, Bhishma was attacking everyone except Sikhandi, he even attacked Arjuna many times.

Regardless of what people say about Arjuna considering Pitamaha's fall, I, personally, believe the fall to be 49% Arjuna's skill and 51% treachery.

yes bhishma didnt drop his weapons but he wasn't attacking shikhandi whom arjuna had kept in front of him so it definitely made it easier for arjuna to attack him or break his bow

Then the diadem-decked (Arjuna), excited with wrath, and placing Sikhandin ahead rushed at Bhishma and cut off the latter's bow. Thereupon mighty car-warriors, seven in number, viz., Drona and Kritavarman, and Jayadratha the ruler of the Sindhus, and Bhurisravas, and Sala, and Salya, and Bhagadatta could not brook that act of Arjuna. Inflamed with rage, they rushed at him. I

I would still rate Drona & Karna's Death higher in the treachery department compared to Bhishma.

Originally posted by: -Shani-

By that parameter, everybody should announce death sentences for themselves...including the ones who have sworn to kill the chandal chaukdi...🤔

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In the epic, Arjun himself lost his "manhood" during the incognito. Was he ever marginalized by society as a result of it?

So, what was Shikhandi really talking about - "Mujhe samaaj se antardhyaan hona padega..."?

I know why Shikhandini attempted suicide in the epic, but was epic Shikhandi ever marginalized by society AFTER the sex change and proving it as well?

I am truly surprised. This is 21st century MB - so why is a "transgender" (⭐️Shikhandi has undergone a one-day sex change) being subjected to social marginalization? Even the SC has given transgenders full rights now...

IF the CVs truly wanted to reflect a "forward-thinking" mindset in this show, shouldn't Shikhandini have undergone the "change" for the rest of her life, and been part of the rest of the war itself, rather than being subject to "marginalization" after Day 10 plainly on account of a one-day sex change?

For all its 21st century thinking, I really don't get ⭐️B and the way it works - polyandry is adharma, and transgenders being marginalized by society despite undergoing the "change" for "the greater good"...

Transgender is not the same as a eunuch, which is what they seem to be saying Shikhandi became.

Shikhandini was a full woman, who swapped genders w/ a yaksha & became a full man. It was supposed to be for 1 night, except that Kubera got furious w/ the yaksha & cursed her that she'd remain a woman for life. Later, he lightened it to end w/ Shikhandi's death.

Given Mahadev's statement to Drupada that Shikhandini would become a man, Mrs Drupada wanted her to get married to a princess. They put her up as a man and had her marry the daughter of king Hiranyavarma. However, the new bride discovered her groom's exact gender on her wedding night & sent a secret message to her father, who was all set to start a war against Drupada. Hence the episode of Shikhandini going away to end her life, and her tryst w/ the yaksha.

After Shikhandi returned to Panchala a man, his father in law rebuked his daughter for casting aspersions on her new hubby 😆 They went on to have a son Kshatradeva, who was killed by Duryodhan's son Laxman in the war.

Shikhandi had a fine life after his marriage, and b/w Bheeshma's fall & his own death, he continued to fight the war. The stuff about Shakuni stabbing him is fictitious as well: Shakuni was a 4th rate warrior. Most of his battles were against Draupadi's sons or other kings like Virata, and on day 18, he was very easily defeated by Sahadev. It was nothing like the last battles of Duryodhan or Karna. Shikhandini continued to fight the likes of Ashwatthama & Kritavarma throughout the rest of the war, and was killed on night 18 while trying to save Draupadi's sons.

Thanks Watcher

You're correct in a way, even I - many a times - posted that Bhishma dropped his weapons - but I went on a blog in which a guy was arguing that Arjuna did not use Sikhandi as shown popularly, and his points were right.

This is the final duel between arjuna and shikhandi it is very clear that arjuna has still kept shikhandi ahead of him to attack bhishma and .bhishma still has his bow because warrior's other than arjuna are still attacking him.Please note that there is no mention of bhishma attacking arjuna back probably because shikhandi is ahead of him bhishma is only trying to pick up his bow because he is surrounded by other warriors as well

Then the diadem-decked (Arjuna), excited with rage and placing Sikhandin to the fore, approached Bhishma (nearer) and once more cut off his bow. And then piercing Bhishma with ten arrows, he cut off the latter's standard with one. And striking Bhishma's chariot with ten arrows, Arjuna caused him to tremble. The son of Ganga then took up another bow that was stronger. Within, however, the twinkling of an eye, as soon, in fact, as it was taken up, Arjuna cut that bow also into three fragments with three broad-headed shafts. And thus the son of Pandu cut off in that battle even all the bows of Bhishma. After that, Bhishma the son of Santanu, no longer desired to battle with Arjuna. The latter, however, then pierced him with five and twenty arrows. That great bowman, thus pierced greatly, then addressed Dussasana, and skid, 'Behold, Partha, that great car-warrior of the Pandavas, excited with wrath in battle, pierceth me alone with many thousands of arrows. He is incapable of being vanquished in battle by the wielder of the thunder-bolt himself. As regards myself also, O hero, the very gods, Danavas and Rakshasas united together, are incapable of vanquishing me. What I shall say then of mighty car-warriors among men?' While Bhishma was thus speaking to Dussasana, Phalguni with sharp shafts, and placing Sikhandin to the fore, pierced Bhishma in that battle. Then Bhishma, deeply and excessively pierced by the wielder of Gandiva with keen-pointed shafts, once more addressed Dussasana with a smile and said, 'These arrows coursing towards me in one continuous line, whose touch resembleth that of heaven's bolt, have been shot by Arjuna. These are not Sikhandin's. Cutting me to the quick, piercing through even my hard coat of mail, and striking me with the force of mushalas, these arrows are not Sikhandin's. Of touch as hard as that of the Brahmana's rod (of chastisement), 1 and of impetus unbearable as that of the thunder-bolt, these arrows are afflicting my vital forces. These are not Sikhandin's. Of the touch of maces and spiked bludgeons, those arrows are destroying my vital forces like messengers of Death commissioned (by the grim king himself). These are not Sikhandin's. Like angry snakes of virulent poison, projecting their tongues out, these are penetrating into my vitals. These are not Sikhandin's--these that cut me to the quick like the cold of winter cutting kine to the quick. Save the heroic wielder of Gandiva, viz., the ape-bannered Jishnu, even all other kings united together cannot cause me pain. Saying these words, Bhishma, the valiant son of Santanu, as if for the object of consuming the Pandavas, hurled a dart at Partha. Partha, however, caused that dart to drop down, cutting it into three fragments with three shafts, in the very sight, O Bharata, of all the Kuru heroes of thy army. Desirous of obtaining either death or victory, the son of Ganga then took up a sword and a shield decked with gold. Before, however, he could come down from his car, Arjuna cut off by means of his arrows, that shield into a hundred fragments. And that feat of his seemed exceedingly wonderful. Then the king Yudhishthira urged his own troops, saying, 'Rush ye at Ganga's son. Do not entertain the slightest fear'. Then, armed with bearded darts, and lances, and arrows, from all sides, with axes, and excellent scimitars, and long shafts of great sharpness, with calf-toothed arrows, and broad-headed shafts, they all rushed at that single warrior.

Thanks for sharing excerpts Sabhyata. I am not good in gasping meaning from it.. But what I could understand was .. That Shikhandi was still in front of arjun when Arjun was firing arrows..as Bhishma himself says ..these arrows cant be from Shikhandi.. but Arjun..so clearly Arjun was behind shikhandi when he attacked... isnt it..? May be I am wrong in this interpretation.. but this is all what I could gather from these excerpts..