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Sabhayata thumbnail
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Posted: 11 years ago
In summary form what happened between arjuna and bheeshma

1)Bheeshma was wrecking havoc on pandav army even on day 10.Then arjuna placing shikhandi before him attacks bhishma(in the citation it was already mentioned that bhishma was not shooting arrows towards shikhandi).Then all pandavs do the same as well.Then srinjayas also start attacking him and bheeshma attacks them back

2)After this arjuna again keeping shikhandi in front of him cut's off beeshma's bow please note there is no mention of bheeshma attacking arjuna back here

3)seeing this act of arjuna kaurava warriors proceed towards him and panadavs warrior's proceed to protect arjuna and battle take place between the two sets

4)then shikhandi attacks bheeshma and his charioteer again no mention of bheeshma attacking him back

5)Then again bheeshma tries to pick up a new bow and again and agian arjuna's cuts them off .This is the only time when its not mentioned that shikhandi is ahead of him the only time where arjuna manages to cut of bheeshma's bow based on his skills alone and without using shikhandi.

6)Then seeing his bow getting cut again and again bheeshma hurls a dart at arjuna which arjuna again cuts off completly based on his skill

7)After that bheeshma wishes his own death and arjuan starts attacking again without shikahndi this time and bhishma attacks arjuna back both are equal in this duel

8)after this arjuan places shikhandi again in front of him and starts cutting of bheeshma's bow and attacks him more again at this point there is no mentioen of bheeshma attacking arjuna back like there have been in previous cases.It is at this time that bheeshma appreciates the fierceness with which arjuna shoots his arrows

9) after this bheeshma again does attack arjuna probably at this time shikhandi is not ahead of this and arjuna cuts of bheeshma darts,swords and shield's

10)then yudhishtir encourages his army to attack bheeshma and they do

so yes definitely shikhandi was not ahead of arjuna all the times there were some times when arjuna did manage to injure bheeshma without shikahndi but majority of the times arjuna did use him as a shield


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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: riti4u

Thanks for sharing excerpts Sabhyata. I am not good in gasping meaning from it.. But what I could understand was .. That Shikhandi was still in front of arjun when Arjun was firing arrows..as Bhishma himself says ..these arrows cant be from Shikhandi.. but Arjun..so clearly Arjun was behind shikhandi when he attacked... isnt it..? May be I am wrong in this interpretation.. but this is all what I could gather from these excerpts..


yes i agree at that time arjuna is clearly behind shikhandi which is why like you said bheeshma is clarifying that these arrows are arjuna's

however after he says all this bheeshma does try to attack arjuna may by that time shikhandi has moved on to somewhere else and at this time arjuna does manage to cut off bheeshma's weapons all on his own
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Posted: 11 years ago
I found this citation of Bhishma's bows being cut off.

"...Then Sikhandin, O king, excited with rage, struck the grandsire of the Bharatas in the chest with nine sharp arrows. The Kuru grandsire Bhishma, however, though struck by him in battle, thus, trembled not, O monarch, but remained unmoved like a mountain during an earthquake. Then Vibhatsu, drawing his bow Gandiva with a laugh, pierced the son of Ganga with five and twenty arrows. And once more, Dhananjaya, with great speed and excited with wrath struck him in every vital part with hundreds of arrows. Thus pierced by others, also with thousands of arrows, the mighty car-warrior Bhishma pierced those others in return with great speed. And as regards the arrows shot by those warriors, Bhishma, possessed of prowess in battle that was incapable of being baffled, equally checked them all with his own straight arrows. Those arrows, however, endued with wings of gold and whetted on stone, which the mighty car-warrior Sikhandin shot in that battle, scarcely caused Bhishma any pain. Then the diadem-decked (Arjuna), excited with rage and placing Sikhandin to the fore, approached Bhishma (nearer) and once more cut off his bow. And then piercing Bhishma with ten arrows, he cut off the latter's standard with one. And striking Bhishma's chariot with ten arrows, Arjuna caused him to tremble. The son of Ganga then took up another bow that was stronger. Within, however, the twinkling of an eye, as soon, in fact, as it was taken up, Arjuna cut that bow also into three fragments with three broad-headed shafts. And thus the son of Pandu cut off in that battle even all the bows of Bhishma. Desirous of obtaining either death or victory, the son of Ganga then took up a sword and a shield decked with gold. Before, however, he could come down from his car, Arjuna cut off by means of his arrows, that shield into a hundred fragment..."

Bishma Indeed attacked Arjuna in the above incident, he baffled every body's arrows including Arjuna, as for those who said that Arjuna was invincible on the 10th day -- are by every means wrong - Bhishma checked him along with other warriors, so Bhishma was the one who was having a thing close to a carnage. I have underlined the part where Bhishma checked Arjuna and pierced him in return. Arjuna was one his attackers and hence he pierced him too.

Bhishma was not able to fire at Arjuna after the latter broke his first bow, though Sikhandi was standing in-front, it did not make any difference, after Arjuna broke Bhishma;s first bow and repeatedly broke all of his bows hence not allowing him to fire back.
Edited by TheWatcher - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
I felt bad watching as the valiant pita maha fell but the story
Good heavens Shikandi being escorted by teenage boys

Spineless Shakuni managing to cause wounds

The cvs have a responsibility to show facts as this will preserve cultur and traditions

AS IT IS

No concoction and speculation

as Srila Prabhupada says
Purity is the force,
Books are the basis


Looks like the books were not consulted



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Posted: 11 years ago
from the first epi it was known that they were not folowing any books.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Arijit007

from the first epi it was known that they were not folowing any books.


problem is they are following 'm'any books 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Vibhishna

I have liked this show for quite a long while. The actors are great, I loved the costumes, the sets and the presentation and I absolutely adore the music.

That being said, of late (especially the last week), the show has become quite ... 🤢😕

I have always treated this Mahabharat as a unique and separate version and never compared it with the original or any other versions or presentations.

I can understand when someone wants to take poetic license to a story and portray his/her own version but what I expect at the very least is that they stay true to the character the portray. Excessive drama (like last week) put me off quite a bit. But that's just my opinion - no offense meant to anyone.

When the CVs have an extension and suddenly need to fill in a lot more episodes why not show something else rather than prolong the war. There can be scenes of Draupadi and the Pandavas spending time with their kids, Pandavas training their kids, and the kids discussing amongst themselves about the battle tactics. Pandavas remembering their time with Draupadi, and their time in Hastinapur with Bheeshma, Drona, Kripa and the rest of their family - some cute scenes, some emotional, some funny jokes among the brothers ... Kunti can dream of Karna being a part of the family as she sees the war and hopes he doesn't fight ... some dinner time scenes in the war camp to lighten the mood (it could actually make losing them much harder when they think of the happy times later) ... So much more... Since the CVs are taking quite a bit of poetic license, there can be so much more to show. Again, its just my opinion and not meant to offend anyone. I am just expressing my views.



I agree with the gist of your post. But after watching SP's battle sequences, I'd much rather not have them show scenes where they discus military strategy or teach it to the Upapandavas. 😉
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Posted: 11 years ago

And the mandatory deluge! 😆..Same set of selections. Same groundings. Same methods. GL Friends.

Bowing to sheer staying power of the deluge- ample leisure and 24hr presence, which I can neither match nor interested, I gladly 'applaud' and acknowledge the 'superb' logics. I defer to their interpretations, request them not to mind.. ( some simpleton like me who might be interested in what Vyas is 'glorifying'!)

Edited by smrth - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

The following passage, which for obvious reasons would never be part of 'deluge' highlights, here it is- to get the intent of the author...(and how SP is distorting- only point on which we all are unanimous perhaps...😊)

The actual 'last' passage before 'the fall';

"O king, when Bhishma and Arjuna met together. Like unto the vortex that occurs at the spot where the Ganga meets the Ocean, for a short while a vortex occurred there where the troops of both armies met and struck one another down. And the Earth, wet with gore, assumed a fierce form. And the even and the uneven spots on her surface could no longer be distinguished. Although Bhishma was pierced in all his vital limbs, yet on that the tenth day he stayed (calmly) in battle, having slain ten thousand warriors. Then that great bowman, Partha, stationed at the head of his troops, broke the centre of the Kuru army. Ourselves then, afraid of Kunti's son Dhananjaya having white steeds attached to his car, and afflicted by him with polished weapons, fled away from the battle. The Sauviras, the Kitavas, the Easterners, the Westerners, the Northerners, the Malavas, the Abhishahas, the Surasenas, the Sivis, the Vasatis, the Salwas, the Sayas, the Trigartas, the Amvashthas, and the Kaikeyas. 1--these and many other illustrious warriors,--afflicted with arrows and pained by their wounds, abandoned Bhishma in that battle while he was fighting with the diadem-decked (Arjuna). Then a great many warriors, surrounding that single warrior on all sides, defeated the Kurus (that protected him) and covered him with shower of arrows. Throw down, Seize, Fight, Cut into pieces,--this was the furious uproar, O king, heard in the vicinity of Bhishma's car. Having slain in that battle, O monarch, (his foes) by hundreds and thousands, there was not in Bhishma's body space of even two fingers' breadth that was not pierced with arrows. Thus was thy sire mangled with arrows of keen points by Phalguni in that battle. And then he fell down from his car with his head to the east, a little before sunset, in the very sight of thy sons. And while Bhishma fell, loud cries of alas and oh, O Bharata, were heard in the welkin uttered by the celestials and the kings of the earth. And beholding the high-souled grandsire falling down (from his car), the hearts of all of us fell with him. That foremost of all bowmen, that mighty-armed hero, fell down, like an uprooted standard of Indra, making the earth tremble the while. 2 Pierced all over with arrows, his body touched not the ground..."

In simple words...Shikhandin was nowhere around...The final battle was singlehanded rout by Arjun...

Edited by smrth - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

But even rarer part of 'circulation' would be following narration by Vyas- How man himself- Bhisma- is reviewing Arjun?

"...And Santanu's son, his thirst quenched, then addressed Jishnu, O monarch, and said, applauding him highly in the presence of all those kings, these words, viz.,--O thou of mighty arms, this is not wonderful in thee, O son of Kuru's race! O thou of immeasurable effulgence, even Narada spoke of thee as an ancient Rishi! Indeed, with Vasudeva as thy ally, thou wilt achieve many mighty feats which the chief of the celestials himself with all the gods, of a certainty, will not venture to achieve! They that have knowledge of such things know thee to be the destroyer of the whole Kshatriya race! Thou art the one bowman among the bowmen of the world! Thou art the foremost among men. As human beings are, in this world, foremost of all creatures, as Garuda is the foremost of all winged creatures; as the Ocean is the foremost among all receptacles of water and the cow among all quadrupeds; as the Sun is the foremost amongst all luminous bodies and Himavat among all mountains; as the Brahmana is the foremost among all castes, art thou the foremost of all bowmen! Dhritarashtra's son (Duryodhana) listened not to the words repeatedly spoken by me and Vidura and Drona and Rama and Janardana and also by Sanjaya. Reft of his senses, like unto an idiot, Duryodhana placed no reliance on those utterances..."

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