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Posted: 11 years ago
Abhimanyu's armour was peirced by Karna inside the Chakrvyuha, Drona would have been admiring Abhimayu as a whole.

in KMG there is a lot of confusion on Chakravyuha and Brahmashira weapon. Krishna says only He, Pradyumna & Arjuna knew how to break the Chakravyuha, none else, one can say that Bhishma , Drona and Karna did not knew how to break the Chakravyuha, but then again - was Krishna talking about only the Pandava side? or as a whole?.

The Brahmashira weapon - ( for the info Brahmashira is Brahmastra x 4) -, this weapon is said to be in possession of only three warriors, Drona, Arjuna & Aswathama, so one can say Bhishma and Karna did not have it, but then again - From where Drona get the knowledge of Brahmashira?, if it is from Parshurama, wouldn't Parshurama teach the Brahmashira weapon to Bhishma and his favorite student ( Karna )?, If Parshurama can give his personal weapon and personal bow to Karna, cant he give him the knowledge of Brahamshira?, lots of things to wonder.
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Posted: 11 years ago
I was going through the last part of the KMG version and found these


This one is Sree herself. It was for your sake that she took birth, as the daughter of Drupada, among human beings, issuing not from any mother's womb, O Yudhishthira, endued with agreeable perfume and capable of delighting the whole world. For your pleasure, she was created by the wielder of the trident.

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Shakuni obtained absorption into Dwapara, and Dhrishtadyumna into the deity of fire.

So, Drau was Sree😃. But who was the trident wielder who created her? If she was Sree (Laxmi), then how can Shiva (the only trident wielder I know) create her?😕. Also, if she was Sree, why is it not said she merged into Laxmi like it was said about every other character, including her twin?😕


He beheld Govinda endued with his Brahma-form. It resembled that form of his which had been seen before and which, therefore, helped the recognition. Blazing forth in that form of his, he was adorned with celestial weapons, such as the terrible discus and others in their respective embodied forms. He was being adored by the heroic Phalguna, who also was endued with a blazing effulgence. The son of Kunti beheld the slayer of Madhu also in his own form. Those two foremost of Beings, adored by all the gods, beholding Yudhishthira, received him with proper honours.


Arjun is not mentioned to be an avatar of anybody and is not mentioned to be absorbed, either?


Vasudeva was a portion of that eternal god of gods called Narayana. Accordingly, he entered into Narayana. 16,000 women had been married to Vasudeva as his wives. When the time came, O Janamejaya, they, plunged into the Sarasvati. Casting off their (human) bodies there, they re-ascended to Heaven. Transformed into Apsaras, they approached the presence of Vasudeva.

KMG also calls Vaasudev a portion of Narayan😕, I thought he was a poorna avatar?

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Posted: 11 years ago
I don't interpret Sree as Lakshmi since the latter was in the form of Rukmini, The only trident wielder is Shiva no confusion about this.

Sree cannot be Lakshmi and Parvati because the latter two have their own Consorts ( Vishnu and Shiva ). ( Slight chance she can be an ansh of Lakshmi since Arjuna was Nara )

I guess Arjuna too merged into Vishnu since he was Nara.

If you check the first page of this thread, I asked the same question, I still dont know which goddess Sree is, maybe any scholar can help us/me.



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Posted: 11 years ago
Anu I answered in Pooja AT.. this Sree was Goddess of Grace.. not the consort of Vishnu..
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: AnuMP

I was going through the last part of the KMG version and found these


So, Drau was Sree😃. But who was the trident wielder who created her? If she was Sree (Laxmi), then how can Shiva (the only trident wielder I know) create her?😕. Also, if she was Sree, why is it not said she merged into Laxmi like it was said about every other character, including her twin?😕

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You know, I like how Draupadi is Sree Devi. She was both the wife as well as the Sakhi of Narayana!
Wielder of trident is technically Shiva, but here I think it refers to Agni, who is supposed to be an Amsa of Rudra.
She is already in her original form, I don't think Sreedevi needs to "merge" into anyone. (My thoughts about Vasudeva later).

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Arjun is not mentioned to be an avatar of anybody and is not mentioned to be absorbed, either?
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Arjuna is the avatara of Nara, the "Man", so as such, he remains the same, I guess.

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Vasudeva was a portion of that eternal god of gods called Narayana. Accordingly, he entered into Narayana. 16,000 women had been married to Vasudeva as his wives. When the time came, O Janamejaya, they, plunged into the Sarasvati. Casting off their (human) bodies there, they re-ascended to Heaven. Transformed into Apsaras, they approached the presence of Vasudeva.

KMG also calls Vaasudev a portion of Narayan😕, I thought he was a poorna avatar?

That I'll keep for reservation...😃
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: TheWatcher

Abhimanyu's armour was peirced by Karna inside the Chakrvyuha, Drona would have been admiring Abhimayu as a whole.

in KMG there is a lot of confusion on Chakravyuha and Brahmashira weapon. Krishna says only He, Pradyumna & Arjuna knew how to break the Chakravyuha, none else, one can say that Bhishma , Drona and Karna did not knew how to break the Chakravyuha, but then again - was Krishna talking about only the Pandava side? or as a whole?.

The Brahmashira weapon - ( for the info Brahmashira is Brahmastra x 4) -, this weapon is said to be in possession of only three warriors, Drona, Arjuna & Aswathama, so one can say Bhishma and Karna did not have it, but then again - From where Drona get the knowledge of Brahmashira?, if it is from Parshurama, wouldn't Parshurama teach the Brahmashira weapon to Bhishma and his favorite student ( Karna )?, If Parshurama can give his personal weapon and personal bow to Karna, cant he give him the knowledge of Brahamshira?, lots of things to wonder.


Then, O chief of the Kurus, while you were living in the woods, O Bharata, he came to Dvaraka and took up his abode there, worshipped by the Vrishnis. One day, after he had taken up his abode in Dvaraka, he came to me, without a companion and when I myself was without anybody by my side, on the seacoast, and there smilingly addressing me said, "O Krishna, that weapon, called brahmashira, worshipped by gods and gandharvas,which my sire, the preceptor of the Bharatas, of prowess incapable of being baffled, and obtained from Agastya after performing the austerest penances, is now with me, O Dasharha, as much as it is with my sire. O foremost one of Yadu's race, in exchange for that celestial weapon, give me thy discus which is capable of slaying all foes in battle."



Drona did not receive it from Parshurama. He received it from Agastya.

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Posted: 11 years ago
Cots.. I understand it as Drona's preceptor & sire (should be Bharadwaja) received it from Agastya..
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Posted: 11 years ago
that clears the air of Bhishma, Karna & Parshurama not possessing Brahmashira.
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Posted: 11 years ago
^^If you are talking about the brahmastra,
even Bhishma, Karna knew about it and could use.

Even Ashwatthama, son of dronacharya, knew and he did use it against Parikshit, but Lord Krishna came in between and took it on him/ as Parikshit was still in the womb.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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That's where many people get confused, Brahmashira and Brahmastra are different.

Brahmashira is Brahmastra x 4. Brahmastra even Yudisthira had but Brahmashira was a weapon possessed by only three warriors viz, Drona, Aruna and Ashwathama,

Brahmashira was the weapon Ashwathama fired not Brahmastra

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