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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: LeadNitrate


Just to clear, intercaste marriages did occur, but it was always male of higher caste with females of lower caste. That is why drupad could allow brahmins to take part, because as a khatriya, drau was of lower caste to them. This was called Pratilom which was allowed. the reverse , anulom, higher caste female and lower caste male was strictly prohibited. Any child born out of this union was disowned by society.

and Even today, for most of the inter caste marriages, u see the girls side have stronger objection if she is the higher caste.

I am sorry. You are right. Inter-caste marriage was considered wrong, only if the girl belonged to a higher caste. That is y , I said that Draupadi's rejection was justified, keeping in mind the norms of that age.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: TheWatcher

If Draupadi insults its okay, If Karna insults its not okay.

If you can say that Draupadi's action was "somewhat" justified, I can too say that Karna's action was "somewhat" justified, But why to justify both of their insults?, Cant we just say that both the insults were wrong and cannot be justified under any circumstances, I am not in any case trying to justify Karna's action. But in any case if someone tries to justify Draupadi's action (During her Swayamvar), I will too try to justify Karna's action ( Though it is not justifiable). Yes, Karna did instigate Draupadi's vastraharan but people here are trying to pin point everything on Karna, people saying that he ordered Dushy to bring Draupadi, and people are even saying that It was Karna who told Duryodhana to show his thigh to Draupadi.

You did not get my point.
First of all, I know that Karna did not do everything that happened to Draupadi. So I am NOT accusing him of anything that he didn't do.
He did the following things:-
1.) Silenced Vikarna, coz Vikarna through his protests was spoiling the fun.
2.) Compared Draupadi to a prostitute, bcoz she had 5 husbands.
3.) He then continued by saying, that it is immaterial, whether such a woman is dressed or naked. So, disrobing such a woman is not surprising.
4.)Ordered Dushasen to disrobe her.
5.)Then told Draupadi to select one more husband. Since she already had 5, one more would not harm.
The rest of the work was done by Dushasen, Shakuni, Duryodhan.
N what did Draupadi say at her Swamvar?
1.) I do not wish to marry a sutaputra. Period.
This was certainly hurtful for Karna. But tell me, how else could Draupadi say no?
She would have been asked to state the reason for her rejection.
What else could she tell Karna?
I do not wish to marry you bcoz...Karna, u are not good-looking? U are not tall enough?
Bcoz u r already married? These would have been stupid excuses.
What else could she say to prevent him?
She spoke her mind n gave the honest reason for her rejection.
It was obvious for Karna to feel hurt. I would have felt hurt too, if I had been in his place.But the way he took revenge, was absolutely DISGUSTING.
Duryodhan, Dushasen n Shakuni were evil-minded. So, we don't expect anything from them.
But Karna was otherwise a righteous man. And honourable men like Karna DO NOT treat women like that, NO MATTER WHAT.
So, Draupadi's so-called "insult" was SOMEWHAT justified (IF NOT COMPLETELY), because:-
1.) Because although Caste System is condemned in the 21st Century, it was not so 5000 years ago.
Women USUALLY did not marry men of lower caste. THAT WAS THE NORM.
2.) It was HER Swamvar. And the basic rule of any Swamvar was that the final decision would be made by the "bride".
3.) Bcoz, in 3000 B.C. Sutaputras were expected to act like Sutaputras, though this is unfair, in today's world.
4.) Draupadi did not directly insult Karna's character, his wife or anything like that. She only expressed her preference.
5.) She did not know that the man she's rejecting was none other than everyone's "beloved" Karna the Great. For her, he was just another suitor, whom she did not want to marry.
Her rejection hurt Karna immensely bcoz:-
1.) Karna was sensitive about his caste.
2.)Karna once again lost the chance to prove his archery skills because of his caste.
3.) Karna was an egoist to some extent, who could not accept the fact that a WOMAN had the "audacity" to be so out-spoken, n reject him, when she finally ended up marrying his arch-rival Arjun n 4 more men along with him. And this is clear, when he tells Draupadi that although "dasis" are not allowed to choose their lords, she will be given the chance to choose any one man to be her lord, since she was so "choosy".
So, Draupadi words did hurt Karna. I am not SAYING that what Draupadi said was right. All I am saying is, Draupadi CANNOT and SHOULD NOT be blamed for rejecting Karna, bcoz it was her life. So, she had every right to decide whom she would marry. But the way Karna retaliated was NOT justified.
Hence Draupadi's actions can still SOMEWHAT be justified. But Karna actions, along with his friends, CANNOT BE JUSTIFIED, NOT EVEN SOMEWHAT.
Even after reading this if you still feel, what Karna did was "somewhat justified" for the sake of being his fan, then be at peace.
I have nothing more to explain.
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Posted: 11 years ago
I have already said that Karna's action was not justified under any circumstances ( Read what I have written, now what you want to ), But its not that Someone else's insult cant be justified and Karna's insult can be justified. Regarding Karna's insult, it would be better if I reply it in Karna's AT.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: TheWatcher

I have already said that Karna's action was not justified under any circumstances ( Read what I have written, now what you want to ), But its not that Someone else's insult cant be justified and Karna's insult can be justified. Regarding Karna's insult, it would be better if I reply it in Karna's AT.

Well, u have said that Karna's actions was wrong. I have read every comment of urs before writing mine.
However I replied on the basis of the comment, that I have quoted.
And as far as Karna AT is concerned, I do not wish to talk against Karna in his "appreciation" thread.
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Posted: 11 years ago
Which MB version states that Arjuna took a 'pran' to eat mud / dirt with his food after Panchali's insult?
In the latest SBS video, Shaheer actually states this pran in his interview...
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Posted: 11 years ago
Why did Yudi play dice for second time and what were the result,Did shakuni use magic in 2nd game also?
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: darklight

Why did Yudi play dice for second time and what were the result,Did shakuni use magic in 2nd game also?

Why did he play? We like to call it his own "stupidity"...
Result - Pandavas lose the game and get exiled for 12+1 years (12 years exile + 1 year incognito)

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: shani88

Why did he play? We like to call it his own "stupidity"...
Result - Pandavas lose the game and get exiled for 12+1 years (12 years exile + 1 year incognito)


Again I believe he could not say no to Dhrit. It's this action that fuels the argument among many that Pandavas had no right to the kingdom they had willingly gambled away and after 13 years they were entitled to their personal freedom and could not demand the kingdom as rightful owners but only ask for the kingdom as supplicants
Edited by india2050 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: shani88

Which MB version states that Arjuna took a 'pran' to eat mud / dirt with his food after Panchali's insult?

In the latest SBS video, Shaheer actually states this pran in his interview...


Now Karn becum a mahan aatma 😃 he did't call to draupadi is W@#@@. Thats why Arjun took a stupid oath... 😃 btw Arjun is sooo evil just boz Karn is witness of d Draupadi insult.. Arjun n karn ki mar diya 😭 Arjun u r evil 😡
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: shani88

Which MB version states that Arjuna took a 'pran' to eat mud / dirt with his food after Panchali's insult?

In the latest SBS video, Shaheer actually states this pran in his interview...


ooohh god pls kill me!!!!! 🤢
cvs bhi na!!!! 😡 😡

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