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Justitia

@Justitia

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Posted: 11 years ago

#401

Originally posted by: darklight
Why is "HIS OWN" wife used everywhere wouldn't it be worse if he staked someone else's wife🤢.If staking hsi wife is wrong then staking HIMSELF AND STAKING HIS BROTHERS IS ALSO WRONG???????

Part in black - Did you seriously want him to stake someone else's wife?!? What kind of a justification is THAT for him staking his own wife?!?

Part in red - YES, it is wrong. The fact that a living person can be "objectified" so as to be staked - be it his brothers or his wife or anybody else - is completely "undignified" and violates someone's self-respect.

Even if "written" Dharma may have "compelled" him to stake on and on, but if you look at the consequences of his staking that resulted in all the Pandavas being turned into Duryodhana's slaves as well as Draupadi's humiliation, it was completely wrong.

And yes, Dhritarashtra DID prove how "blind" he truly was. But just because Dhrit is blamed, it does NOT mean that everybody else can escape from their faults and guilt of their wrongdoings in the dice hall.

Edited by shani88 - 11 years ago

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KHUSHI-99

@KHUSHI-99

Dazzler

Posted: 11 years ago

#402

Originally posted by: shani88

Part in black - Did you seriously want him to stake someone else's wife?!? What kind of a justification is THAT for him staking his own wife?!?

Part in red - YES, it is wrong. The fact that a living person can be "objectified" so as to be staked - be it his brothers or his wife or anybody else - is completely "undignified" and violates someone's self-respect.

Even if "written" Dharma may have "compelled" him to stake on and on, but if you look at the consequences of his staking that resulted in all the Pandavas being turned into Duryodhana's slaves as well as Draupadi's humiliation, it was completely wrong.

And yes, Dhritarashtra DID prove how "blind" he truly was.

(PART IN BLACK)NO NO 😲NOT AT ALL NEVER .FIRST OF ALL STAKING SOMEONE IS TOTALLY WRONG.NO JUSTIFICATION IS REQUIRED .ITS JUST THAT HE COULD NOT HAVE STAKED(EVEN IF IT WAS WRONG) ANYBODY ELSE'S WIFE OTHER THAN HIS OWN.PLEASE DON'T TAKE ME IN WRONG WAY😲

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Diala D

@...Diala...

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+ 2

Posted: 11 years ago

#403

IMO we are not the right ones to say if it was right or wrong.. we dont belong to that age.. and it seems exactly for this reason that CVs are modifying the story that would be acceptable to today's gen..

Yudishtra did stake and loose each and every citizen of IP which includes wives of anyone and everyone in his jurisdiction.. so problem of if he had the right or if he was right did not rise from anyone until Draupadi was humiliated.. when she was humiliated we know no one was in a position to stop it..

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Arijit

@Arijit007

Sparkler

Posted: 11 years ago

#404

so, acording to starbharat, dhritrashtra was also with shakuni and duryodhan. hmmm, waise bhi epic mein kahaan protest kia thaa usne draupadi ke apmaan kaa.

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Radha Chatterjee

@RoseWine

Voyager

Posted: 11 years ago

#405

Dreading Starabharat Vastraharan!🤔!!!!!

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amritat

@amritat

Sparkler

Posted: 11 years ago

#406

Originally posted by: darklight
That is what I was thinking.Why people focus more on Draupadi by saying that he can't stake human beings or whatever when he staked HIS BROTHERS and HIMSELF.He lost his right over her in what sense...I know he was the slave of Duri but slaves also have a wife ,so in that sense wasn't Draupadi still his wife.(Please just take it as a question.I am not stating any incident as correct or incorrect).And then Shakuni should have not played with a "SLAVE" as per royal norms maybe.
HE just did not stake his wife but also himself and his brothers.Before staking himself and after staking his brothers he could have staked Draupadi .But why didn't he????????????????Maybe he did not think of staking her before Shakuni said that he would leave his brothers if he did the same.He did stake his wife but was unaware of the consequences.Is it correct to blame him solely for Draupadi's insult...? I am really confused with this(1 request pleeeze these are only questions I am not offending or defending any one😊)

I somewhat agree with u...

Yudisthir was responsible for Draupadi's insult...But NOT COMPLETELY...

He was usually a noble man, n he thought everyone was as good as himself...

Although, he did know of Duryodhan's greed for the throne, but he NEVER imagined, NOT EVEN IN HIS WILDEST DREAMS, that Duryodhan, Shakuni,Dushasen n Karna would stoop so low n assault n support the assault of Draupadi.

He NEVER thought that things would go SO BAD.

People question whether Yudisthir should have staked Draupadi or not...

Ofcourse, he shouldn't have...

Because staking a man n staking a woman are 2 different things...

A woman's reputation is complicated...

However, it is disappointing to see that people get stuck in this ONE question regarding Yudisthir n forget what Karna said, n Duryodhan n Dushasen did...

One assaulted Draupadi, one insulted her verbally to an extreme level, n the other made obscene gestures...

These are FAR WORSE than what Yudisthir did...

Yudisthir may have done a horrible thing, but atleast he wronged HIS OWN WIFE...Although I am NOT justifiying "insulting one's own wife", but all I am trying to say is Karna, Duryodhan n Dushasen CROSSED THE LINE, by assaulting n supporting the assault on SOMEONE ELSE'S WIFE...That, in my opinion, is MUCH WORSE...

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246851

Hibernated

Posted: 11 years ago

#407

Where is Bhanumati, she was ain integral part of the Dyutkriya prelude.She was intensely jealous od drau , her beauty, her majestic entry on an elephant because she could not travel on a rath and of the fact her husband coveted draupadi, she cribbed a lot too.

besides this is happening when drau had her children, all kauravas should be married by now, so crown prince's wife bhanu should be present.

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@DrModel

Rocker

+ 3

Posted: 11 years ago

#408

Originally posted by: ...Diala...
IMO we are not the right ones to say if it was right or wrong.. we dont belong to that age.. and it seems exactly for this reason that CVs are modifying the story that would be acceptable to today's gen..

Yudishtra did stake and loose each and every citizen of IP which includes wives of anyone and everyone in his jurisdiction.. so problem of if he had the right or if he was right did not rise from anyone until Draupadi was humiliated.. when she was humiliated we know no one was in a position to stop it..

@ Diala

THIS!!!

for the first time in the history of this forum; we agree

Dhol Bhajao!!!!😛😆

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@DrModel

Rocker

+ 3

Posted: 11 years ago

#409

Originally posted by: amritat

I somewhat agree with u...

Yudisthir was responsible for Draupadi's insult...But NOT COMPLETELY...

He was usually a noble man, n he thought everyone was as good as himself...

Although, he did know of Duryodhan's greed for the throne, but he NEVER imagined, NOT EVEN IN HIS WILDEST DREAMS, that Duryodhan, Shakuni,Dushasen n Karna would stoop so low n assault n support the assault of Draupadi.

He NEVER thought that things would go SO BAD.

People question whether Yudisthir should have staked Draupadi or not...

Ofcourse, he shouldn't have...

Because staking a man n staking a woman are 2 different things...

A woman's reputation is complicated...

However, it is disappointing to see that people get stuck in this ONE question regarding Yudisthir n forget what Karna said, n Duryodhan n Dushasen did...

One assaulted Draupadi, one insulted her verbally to an extreme level, n the other made obscene gestures...

These are FAR WORSE than what Yudisthir did...

Yudisthir may have done a horrible thing, but atleast he wronged HIS OWN WIFE...Although I am NOT justifiying "insulting one's own wife", but all I am trying to say is Karna, Duryodhan n Dushasen CROSSED THE LINE, by assaulting n supporting the assault on SOMEONE ELSE'S WIFE...That, in my opinion, is MUCH WORSE...

I wholeheartedly and fully agree with this entire post.

My sentiments exactly; you put them out so eloquently

Edited by DrModel - 11 years ago

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246851

Hibernated

Posted: 11 years ago

#410

Originally posted by: shani88
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The more you study about what happened in the dice hall and analyze the events, the more questions will be raised in your mind -
1. Is it "proper" to stake anybody even if you have a "right" over them? Mind you, these "niyams" are a ⭐️Bharat creation...

2. Why did Yudi stake Nakul first - before anybody else?

3. Why did Yudi leave Draupadi right at the very end? Why did stake her at all?

4. Did Yudi have any "right" over Drau when he lost himself first? If not, who gave him the authority to stake her? (This question was raised by Drau herself)

5. How and why did Dharmaraja turn into a dice addict? Is the "concept" of written Dharma so rigid and inflexible that even common sense and logical thinking do not apply in such circumstances?

6. Can Yudi "truly" be called Dharmaraja if he staked his own wife?

1) It is not proper to participate in such a game and lose other properties as well, but yudi did it. if we think of properties and how they were seen at that time with eyes of now, there will always be the problem.

2) Shakuni hinted as nakul, he was the most handsome and yudi chose to stake his youngest brother first over bhim or arjun for logical reason

3) Draupadi was the Goddess and his lady luck. he prized her over everyone else, hence he staked everything else before her. and when he staked her, he hoped to use his lucky charm to win everything back. It was all or nothing for each staking.

4) that has been discussed since the day of dice game I believe. and no satisfactory answer has been reached till now. Vikarna raised this point as well. Which points out, how dharma or the spirit of dhrama or justice was lost in meaningless words. here was a king who has staked his family and himself and now his lady wife stands in middle of the hall, in front of so many men who would otherwise dare not look at her face , totally humiliated and people argue about fine prints of law.

5 ) Dharamraj turned into an addict when after loosing umpteenth time he did not give up his futile chance in hope of winning it all. That is classic addict story.

6) Can you judge a person based on one error of his life, grave mistake maybe.

but MB shows except Lord himself, no one is 100% true or right and Life is nothing but a constant struggle with one's own self to better onself.