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mnx12

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Posted: 11 years ago

#1111

their pran & going for vanavaas is still left. So may be till this Friday this thread is needed

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Joja

@Joja

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Posted: 11 years ago

#1112

it is known fact that Yudi lost Draupadi in game and all the insult she takes.

Yudi was and is known for his Dharma.

But while following he rules of the game he forgot his pratam dharma, that is to save his wife from any kind of trouble. Isnt this the vachan which everyone would take during marriage. so how could have break his promise.

Being a king, how could he loose his kingdom to an Adharmi. what about his praja, didnt he think about them. Isnt it his first duty to protect them, what about Praja Dharma.

A women is being dragged to Sabha and pulled her saree. How can any man forget king just see it and not help. Isnt not protecting any anyay allso adarma.

His wife is pleeding for help and he shuts he mouth of that stupid game and rules. What about bigger rules of life?

He was just thinking about what will he be called . or what will happen to him if he asks his brothers to save her, because he gave the word. What about her respect .. will it ever come back? did he think about Draupadi. No, if he had, he would have forgotten everything and saved her.

Be it this Star Yudi or real one

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Medha.S

@Medha.S

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Posted: 11 years ago

#1113

Originally posted by: .Vrish.
Oh, he was that infamous lawyer of OJ Simpson in that trial in 1995 that had all the US glued to TV - it was the only thing on the news: you couldn't get away from it. The courtroom trial was telecast live. In his closing arguments, he delivered that famous line of a bloody glove, 'If the glove don't fit, you must acquit'. That became the single one liner joke of that trial 😆

Back to MB: your verse was good as well.

About Shakuni, are you asking about ⭐️Shakuni or the real one? The real one didn't raise Duryodhan. Yeah, he was involved in the Varnavarta & the game of dice plot, but he was not the one raising Duryodhan. I think he's convenient fodder for people who want to give his sister a pass, b'cos omg, no woman can do anything evil!!! Which is also why you have the side stories of Bhanumati also being someone who'd urge Duryodhan to make peace w/ the Pandavas.

Ok i am gonna google it.😆

And i am talking about Shakuni in general.To justify Duryodhnas actions, Shakuni gets blamed for everything. Duryodhna was some nice little kid who got brainwashed by Shakuni to the extent that he started poisoning his cousins and became selfish.

I meant if we are blaming it all on 'Parvarish" then others like his Mummy and Daddy too are responsible for how he turned out as an adult, why only the uncle.

It was always Duryodhna and his own mind, Shakuni just helped in making his wishes a reality.

It was Duryodhna who got jealous and wanted Indraprastha. If he hadn't been such a spoiled brat with people like his parents, Uncle, Karna, his brother all tripping left and right to please him then the Dice thing wouldnt have happened.

In StarBharat, they showed how he was threatening to kill himself if he didnt became the King. They weren't so off the mark.

I was going through Vana Parva yesterday and even after he deceived the Pandavas and humiliated Draupadi, and then had them sent on exile, he was still brooding and pouting around.

He calling Karna, Dusashan and Shakuni and threatened to kill himself, hang himself, consuming poison, enter fire or end himself with his own weapon.

Why? Because what if the Pandavas came back? How will he live happily and in peace? Duryodhna was just Never content and satisfied, after all he had done, he was still not hapy enough with the results.

Shakuni was the one who told him to chill the hell out because Pandavas were the followers of truth and righteousness. They would never break their promise or the exile rules.

Karna said that if they did come back before the set period then they can just defeat the Pandavas again in Dice.

But Duryodhna was still 'despairing' so Karna told them that it is their duty to please Duryodhna so they should all get in their warrior uniforms, jump on their chariots and go to the forest where Pandavas are living and slay them quietly.

Then Duryodhna and all of them can live in peace while the Pandavas disappear on an unknown journey forever. They can just attack the Pandavas while they are still despairing and without help.

Obviously, Duryodhna was happy with the solution and they all actually started marching towards the forest but were stopped by Rishi Vyas.

And in many incidents, it is always Duryodhna who starts whining and Shakuni or someone else comes forward with a plan to please his conscience.

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fatssrilanka

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Posted: 11 years ago

#1114

Originally posted by: Medha.S
And why always blamed shakuni for everything, everyone who raised duryodhna was doing something wrong.Pampering him to the extent that he was NEVER satisfied.
Like a stubborn toddler always making grabby "gimme more" hands, always jealous, always wanting more and more.i want this, that, more of that ...
He was the one dying to have indraprastha, shakuni was satisfied with the partition.
But no! Not durodhan.
He wanted IP, his mama decided to give it to him one way or another.

Agree with you, Medha. Truly speaking it was Dhrit who was responsible and shakuni just played along. He shot 2 birds with 1 arrow. On one side he spoilt Duryodhan and on the other side he manipulated Dhritrashtra in such a way that he start believing him instead of his own family. Shakuni just wanted to destroy Hastinapur and nothing else mattered to him.If Dhritrashtra had been strong enough this wouldn't have happened.

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Sabhayata

@Sabhayata

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Posted: 11 years ago

#1115

Originally posted by: .Vrish.
There will actually be a part 2 of this thread? Vh should be over tonight or tomorrow night!

as per promos VH will happen on 9th April that is wednesday

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Sadhana_pr

@Sadhana_pr

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Posted: 11 years ago

#1116

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

That war could have been averted had the Pandavas used the first opportunity to slaughter the Kauravas. For instance, when the Gandharvas captured them, Bhima could have taken his mace & smashed Duryodhan's thighs while he was prisoner, and ripped out Dushashan's chest & drank his blood. Sahadev could have killed Shakuni. Had they done that, they wouldn't have had to agonize about fighting & killing Bheeshma, Drona, Shalya, Vikarna or other sons of Gandhari, or on their side, losing Abhimanyu, Ghatotkacha, Uttar, Sveta, and a whole host of their loved ones. Had they done that, then after the 13th year, there would have been no Duryodhan to decline them Indraprastha, they'd have gotten it back, and then they'd have just needed to figure out a way to kill Karna.

True👍🏼. There was nothing very inevitable about the war! It could have easily been avoided because anyways nothing very significant happened there except...ah..never mind. It was just trivially incidental that Krishna chose that as the background for imparting knowledge about a Dharma which transcends human conception of good and evil, peace and strife. Maybe he could have just found a better location for the conversation with Arjun or maybe Arjun should have chosen a different occasion for his crisis of conscience. Surely their conversation was not worth the bloodshed!. Right.

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Sabhayata

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Posted: 11 years ago

#1117

Originally posted by: VasusenaRadheya
It was so unfortunate that Draupadi had not 1 but 5 husbands, 5 people whose children's mother she was and NOT one of them was there for her in that fateful day as their hands were tied by their 'dharma' . It must make me think that the idea of right and wrong must've been very different at that time.
May be we can not simply judge their actions by our 21st century mindset.😔

agreed

if five brother's marry one woman today because their mother has said so we will definitely consider it wrong and perhaps throw them into jail

But it wasn't considered wrong or adharma in dwapar yug unusual yes but not wrong

same goes for other things as well rejecting some one for marriage or laughing at some one who trips may not be a big deal today but may be they it was a big deal in dwapar yug .In no way i am trying to justify Draupadi's VH.It was heinous and wrong

But other actions of other characters cant also be looked at with our kal yug mindset whether its yudi staking his wife and brother's ,other pandavas not complaining about it or saving their wife later or Bhishm,vidura and drona remaining quite?All this was definitely wrong for us today but was it really wrong as per dwapar yug rules?I

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Sabhayata

@Sabhayata

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Posted: 11 years ago

#1118

Originally posted by: VasusenaRadheya

Kurukshetra war could've easily avoided as well. I think the war itself was the epitome of biggest adharma that had happened in that era. Frankly speaking 'Draupadi's Vastraharan' was nothing compared to the lives lost in that war and what about the number of women who lost their husbands/fathers/sons ? Let alone 'ghor adharmik' Kauravas , even the great dharmik pandavas and Yugavatar Sri Krishna didn't made any proper and honest effort to stop this war.
Makes me think Dharma had a very different meaning at that times.

hmmm bold i dont agree with this.Pandavas were ready for peace had Duryodhan agreed to give them five villages.They were ready to forget and forgive or atleast yudi was about Draupadi's insult to avert the war and krishna ji was actually the messenger.Had dury agreed to give them 5 villages i dont think pandavas would have gone for the war then

This was quite an honest effort i think

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india2050

@india2050

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Posted: 11 years ago

#1119

Originally posted by: Sabhayata

hmmm bold i dont agree with this.Pandavas were ready for peace had Duryodhan agreed to give them five villages.They were ready to forget and forgive or atleast yudi was about Draupadi's insult to avert the war and krishna ji was actually the messenger.Had dury agreed to give them 5 villages i dont think pandavas would have gone for the war then

This was quite an honest effort i think

Agree Pandavas made quite an honest effort to avert the war. Not only Yudi, but even the normally angry Bhima was ready for peace. I guess only Sahadeva wanted war.

Quite a contrast where the generally aggressive Bhima wanted peace while the generally mild Sahadeva wanted war.

All said they would have been satisfied with 5 villages and would have no doubt built their fortunes again. I also would like to believe that atleast till Dhrit was alive Yudi would have forbidden his bros to attack Dury and Co.

The biggest joke was Dhrit telling(via Sanjay) the Pandavas to go to Dwaraka and live there as dependents of the Yadavas. Seriously what on earth was he thinking?

Edited by india2050 - 11 years ago

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MJ1009cc

@MJ_1009

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Posted: 11 years ago

#1120

is it me or did Cvs forget to include before dushasan forced draupadi by pulling her hair? Draupadi was said to not have bathed and I saw that they didn't really mention it?

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