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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: KrisUdayasankar

Hello all!

Just saying "Hi" since I'm new to the forum, though I've been reading through the very interesting discussions on and off. Look forward to being a part of the exciting debates :)

Krishna



Are u the writer of The Aryavrata chronicles...or just a namesake...( just asking)
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: KrisUdayasankar

Hello all!

Just saying "Hi" since I'm new to the forum, though I've been reading through the very interesting discussions on and off. Look forward to being a part of the exciting debates :)

Krishna


Welcome to the forum Krishna. I've recently read both your books (Govinda and Kaurava) and looking forward to the third book anxiously.

As some of us have discussed here on this thread, your books give a totally different perspective on this great epic. They are very well written and page turners.

-Sangeeta
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Posted: 11 years ago
Krishna

I have a question which I am sure you have been asked before. Sangeeta and I have been talking about it. If the First Born are the Brahmins, who do the FireWrights represent? The pantheon?


Also not certain what the weapon in the KP episode was, I think you just say it is similar to Brahmaastra, but I loved the description. A pity you didnt have him tell Panchali how he escaped it😆. Looking forward to your description of other divyaastras
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Posted: 11 years ago
Hi Anu!
Both firstborn and firewrights are part of the bramhanical (such as it was) order. Firstborn = Varuni (Vashishta's Gothra) and Firewrights are Angirasa (Angiras) - which includes other gothras such as Bhargava, Bharadvaja etc.

The weapon in the KP episode was a 'reverse-engingeered' Bramhastra, which the Nagas recreated - hence the effects.

As for the other Divyastras - its kind of surprising to see that everybody seems to have a huge stockpile of astras, as though they are just common weapons. To be honest, kind of touch to reconcile everything as a divyastra. Still, hope you enjoy book 3!

PS - there is a twist in how Govinda escapes the astra at KP - As per the canonical MBh, KP is when Govinda is given the Sudarshan chakra. The adage or 'mantra' that is part of Govinda's realization when he fights the effects of the astra off is based on a translation of the Sudarshana mantra - kind of... :)
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: sayee



Are u the writer of The Aryavrata chronicles...or just a namesake...( just asking)


Yup, thats me! (/hides)
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: bheegi


Welcome to the forum Krishna. I've recently read both your books (Govinda and Kaurava) and looking forward to the third book anxiously.

As some of us have discussed here on this thread, your books give a totally different perspective on this great epic. They are very well written and page turners.

-Sangeeta



Thanks for the super-warm welcome Sangeeta! Glad you enjoyed both books!
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Posted: 11 years ago

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It not just resembles, it near-exactly the same. This is an example of one of the ways in which interpolations were introduced - by replication of existing events, with minor differences in characters involved etc. Pradymna also elopes with Rukmavati (Rukmi's daughter) and the description is pretty similar to the way Krishna elopes with Rukmini (Rukmi's sister).

However, in the AC Govinda is not married at all - a further step from Bankim Chandra Chatterjee, who in KrishnaCharitra analyses and concludes that Krishna-Govinda had just one wife.

Another example of this interpolation by replication is the battle between Krishna and Saubha. There is a battle between Pradymna and Saubha's son on exactly the same lines - to the detail that just as Daruka is Govinda's charioteer/lieutenant, Daruka's son is Pradymna's charioteer.

I also have a reason for giving Arjuna a bit of bad press in book 1, but his reputation as a womanizer is pretty well established in MBh. I can't recall the reference offhand, but will post on that again, once i pull it up :)

Thanks so much for enjoying the books :)

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Didn't know that part about the Sudarshana mantra. I will have to read KP track again

I have more questions

What's the Greece connection for? Any sources suggesting Govinda might have travelled out of Aryavarta?

Also the Jaydrath scene with the Greek girl gave me chills. Poor Abhi 😭
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: abhijitbasu


Sabhayata and TheWatcher, I was reading your posts with some interest, because you both have articulated informed opinions based on logical perspectives. I, on my part, had also noticed this difference between the KMG translation of Yudhishthira's words and the rendering of the same in my traditional Aryashastra version (as also the Critical Edition). The original Sanskrit shloka is: aayudhaagaaram-aadeepya dagdhvaa caiva purocanam / shat praanino nidhaayehha dravaamoh-anabhilakshitaah // [After burning down this arsenal along with Purochana, and leaving here (the bodies of) six persons, we shall escape unobserved.] This perhaps is one of the rare instances where the otherwise infallible KMG translation has (unwittingly or otherwise), given a different ('non-controversial') twist to the meaning. Perhaps the cavalier view of expendability of aboriginal Nishaadas, so shocking to our modern humanist sensitivities, was due to the 'pre-moral' ethic of the time, also seen in the episodes of Ekalavya and arguably of the Khandava-dahanam. But here it's even more disturbing, as the callous words are uttered by Yudhishthira, the revered epitome of virtue. But at the same time these unadulterated accounts also underline the intellectual honesty of the original narrator in presenting events as they (supposedly) happened, which is the hallmark of a true epic chronicle. The Ramayana too presents one such instance of class persecution -- that of the illustrious Rama beheading the Shudra ascetic Shambuka for violating the enjoined limitations of his class by engaging in tapasyaa. But unlike the Mahabharata event, that episode, appearing as it does in the Uttara-Kanda, could be a later casteist addition.


Sir actually this brings to my mind another question that has been bothering me for long time

Its Regarding Ajaya only written by Anand Neelkhanth.In this book the writer seems to suggest that in Dwapar yug those people who used to believe in caste system or used to maintain caste system were the heroes and those who used to speak against it were considered wrong,evil or enemies of the society

So wanted to know in your opinion who much truth is there in this theory?

Personally for me if i go by Mahabhart incidents some of which you mentioned as well like Arjuna's involvement in Eklavya's incident ,Bhima insulting Karna due to his caste in Rangbhoomi ,Yudhishtir's involvement in burning of Nishada and then Kirshna ji and Arjuna's involvement in Khadavdahan

Now these events are never portrayed in a negative light in the epic or let me say are never criticized by any one in the epic despite these events having some casteist elements .Which has led me to believe that as per dwapar yug standards perhaps these events were not wrong.That perhaps in dwapar yug caste system and the belief in it of our heroes was so strong in it that they didnt mind the death of those people who perhaps belonged to lower caste.Which is why despite these incidents they are the heroes of our epic

Not sure how right i am in my POV since i have only recently formed it .So just wanted to know what you think about this?
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: KrisUdayasankar

Hello all!

Just saying "Hi" since I'm new to the forum, though I've been reading through the very interesting discussions on and off. Look forward to being a part of the exciting debates :)

Krishna


Hello Mam welcome to the forum

I have read the first book in your series Govinda and its very good .I really like the characterizations of Govinda and Panchali.Both very human and strong.Enjoyed reading the first book and i am about to start the second one

But had some queires regarding other characters

1)Panchali is one of the main protagonists in the book and Bhima in the original epic played a very important role in her life as her protector and avenger .So will he have the same role in this series as well ?Will we get to see a POV chapter on him?

2)Also regarding Suyodhan's characterization.I personally do believe he wasn't completely evil and has some good characteristics as well in the original epic.But he was ambitious and stubborn to a large extent as well which is why he rejects the peace offer from padavas and still goes in for the war.So will in this series also Suyodhan show some similar characteristics?Because as far as i have read in this series he is a good character almost a hero.




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