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Vrish

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Posted: 11 years ago

#81

Originally posted by: varaali
@bold : That line was not meant for you, Vrish. 😊

It was intended for an earlier poster who had confused Bhanumati with the Kalinga princess.

Sorry.

That poster may have gone by Ramanand Sagar's 'Shri Krishna', which made the same mistake. In the aftermath of Karna's death, Duryodhan is shown having flashbacks of how Karna helped him win this princess. It was nicely depicted, except for actually naming the princess as Bhanumati, which the show did.

Actually, I'd even go as far and extrapolate the data as saying that all the 100 Kauravas would have been married b4 Draupadi. The rule about the eldest son having to marry first doesn't seem to actually be there: w/ the Pandavas, not only was Bhima the first, but even if one ignores that, had Kunti not told them to share Draupadi, even Arjun would have been the second Pandava to marry, and Yudisthir the 3rd - assuming that he married Devika b4 any of the remaining Pandava marriages. Even among the twins, Sahadev, who was youngest, married Jarasandha's daughter probably b4 Nakul married Karenamati.

So looks like anybody could marry anytime 😆

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Diala D

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Posted: 11 years ago

#82

So from the previous page should I understand that it is not necessary for the younger brothers to wait for the elder ones to get married? Almost all sons of Dhrid were there in the swayamvar.. so anyone could have immediately married the bride had they won?

Arjun was not right in claiming that he can't marry before Yudi and Bhim?

Edited by ...Diala... - 11 years ago

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Vrish

@Vr15h

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Posted: 11 years ago

#83

Did Arjun actually claim that in the original text? If yes, then how did the Pandavas justify Sahadev marrying his exclusive wife b4 Nakul married his?

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Diala D

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Posted: 11 years ago

#84

Yes he did.. When Yudi said Arjun should marry Draupadi, he says something like don't make me do a great sin of marrying before my elder brothers.. just after Kunti's order to share..

Nakul Sahadev being twins, I think this can be ignored.. Yudi who followed age order in staking his brothers, staked Nakul before Sahadev.. it means they did not give any consideration to who among the twins is elder..

Edited by ...Diala... - 11 years ago

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varaali

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Posted: 11 years ago

#85

Originally posted by: .Vrish.
Did Arjun actually claim that in the original text? If yes, then how did the Pandavas justify Sahadev marrying his exclusive wife b4 Nakul married his?

Yes he does. The next day when Drupada invites the Pandavas to his palace.

It is almost as if Arjuna has just now realized the consequences of his actions i.e he will now be required to wed Draupadi.

When, at the swayamvar, he saw the bow, the arrows and the target, it was as if he was back at his gurukul. His eyes were blinded to everything other than the bow in his hand and the target in front of him.

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Vrish

@Vr15h

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Posted: 11 years ago

#86

Originally posted by: TheWatcher
Karna saved his vasav shakti for Arjuna though he could fire it saying Arjuna's name but he didnt because he wanted to use it in a duel and Krishna being a master strategists never Made Arjuna Confront Karna .

On the 14th night Ghatotkach massacred the Army and duryodhana pleaded Karna to stop him in any way , Karna got into a feirce battle with him but no astra were working on him because of the boon of Krishna at the end Karna had to use his Vasav shakti on ghatotkach.

TheWatcher

I brought your comment here, since it involves not so much Karna as much as some of the other Kauravas - namely Ashwatthama in this case.

Okay, Krishna had Ghatotkacha face Karna to use up Arjun's shakti. But that wasn't the only divine weapon the Kauravas had. Ashwatthama had 2 lethal weapons - the Narayanastra, which he used after his father's death, and the Brahmashira, which he used against Arjun and ultimately diverted towards the Pandava womenfolk.

So, had the Kauravas thought a bit, either of these weapons could have been used against Ghatotkacha. Krishna could have given Ghatotkacha the secret to diffuse the Narayanastra, but the Brahmashira would have gotten him for sure, and Karna's shakti would still have been available for Arjun.

So how come the Kauravas, particularly their senapati Dronacharya, didn't think of that?

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TheWatcher

@TheWatcher

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Posted: 11 years ago

#87

As far as i know Krishna gave Ghato a boon of magical powers who no-one from 3 worlds can match not even Indra only Krishna could match or surpass that magical abilities, it maybe that Ghato knew how to counter Narayanastra but again Karna did not use the shakti in an instance he got into a fierce fight in which every weapon and every divine astra was not able to kill Ghato he may have tried Narayan astra , The last resort for Karna was to use his shakti.

For me personally Drona was the worst commander any army could have ,I don't expect him to do anything at all.

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Diala D

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Posted: 11 years ago

#88

Originally posted by: TheWatcher
Karna saved his vasav shakti for Arjuna though he could fire it saying Arjuna's name but he didnt because he wanted to use it in a duel and Krishna being a master strategists never Made Arjuna Confront Karna .

On the 14th night Ghatotkach massacred the Army and duryodhana pleaded Karna to stop him in any way , Karna got into a feirce battle with him but no astra were working on him because of the boon of Krishna at the end Karna had to use his Vasav shakti on ghatotkach.

@bold: I think this will work as an answer but am not sure what boon it was.. considering that Indra created Gatotkacha for the only purpose of bearing the Shakti Astra to save Arjuna, there should be something that will say that he can not be killed by any other weapon..

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Vrish

@Vr15h

Stunner

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Posted: 11 years ago

#89

Is that anywhere in the main epic - Krishna's boon's to Ghatotkacha? Krishna describes him as a sinner, who he would have had to slay himself had Karna not done it. So why would Krishna give Ghatotkacha such boons?

On Drona being the worst commander, in terms of ethics, I agree w/ you. The rules that Bheeshma didn't break, he broke. But in terms of success, he had a much higher success rate than Bheeshma. Under Bheeshma, the Kauravas won day 1, when Uttar & Sveta were slain, but after that, every day was more or less a net Pandava victory (except maybe days where they lost Satyaki's 10 sons, Iravana & Virata's son Sankha). In short, the Pandavas either won 8 of the first 10 days, or they were stalemates.

Let's look @ Drona. Day 11 & 12 were stalemates - defeats only if you regard failing to capture Yudisthir as defeats. But Drona killed a lot of Panchala princes, mainly Satyajit & Vrika, Drupada's eldest sons. Day 13 was Abhimanyu's death - everybody looks @ it as a Kaurava victory. Day 14 was a debacle for Drona, when 8 of the akshaunis were wiped out by Arjun, Satyaki & Bhima, but he did succeed in killing Vridhakshatra, Dhrishtaketu & Madagha's Sahadev. Night 14 was again a plus for the Kauravas - aside from Ghatotkacha, his son Anjanparva, as well as the 10 sons of Kuntibhoj were killed. Day 15 was the deaths of all of Dhrishtadyumna's sons, as well as Drupada & Virata.

Even after Drona's death and Ashwatthama's Narayanastra was diffused, Ashwatthama led the Kauravas for the rest of the day & killed a few Panchala & Chedi warriors, and defeated Dhrishtadyumna & Satyaki, b4 being defeated by Arjun.

I'd say that after Ashatthama, Drona was the most successful senapati the Kauravas had. Not that I'm a fan of either of them - they were both vile characters.

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TheWatcher

@TheWatcher

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Posted: 11 years ago

#90

Drona was playing with no rules on the other hand Bhishma did play by rules ( though he broke few of them ) and Karna too did play by rules if Karna wouldn't have played by rules War would have been over on day 16th itself. Drona was the main culprit behind Abhimanyu in terms of killings Drona stands tall at number one but in terms of ethics and war rules he is the last one.

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