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Originally posted by: varaali

@ bold : Again, this is something I feel that has been misconstruted and unnecessarily blown out of proportions. Arjuna claimed that he had received valuable "bhiksha". Now what is marriage? It is "kanyadaan" The father gives his daughter, as daan to the prospective groom. Now what is given as "daan" is indeed bhiksha.

Even so the concept of "kanyadaan" is mysoginistic. It should be I entrust and enjoin my daughter to you. Not donate my daughter to you as if she is a property.

Originally posted by: AnjanaYYZ

Separations, trials, and tribulations and sacrifices at least Seeta n Savitri, and Damayanti... think Arundhati also suffered

Originally posted by: varaali

They are not Satis because they suffered trials tribulations, etc etc- but because they had the courage to face and rise above such trials and tribulations

Matter of perception. Don't think any of them enjoyed the tests... and Sita in my op decided to retire into the earth.

Originally posted by: Rehanism

What a disgustingly misogynistic set of criteria of 'Sati' listed in the previous page!! 🤢Especially the one about a woman not suffering widowhood and dying within 12 days of husband's death.🤢🤢 And this epithet is supposed to be a matter of pride for women?

I hope Draupadi is NOT a sati, because she's the only likable woman I find in entire Indian mythology. If she qualifies for that title, she's officially struck off from my mind.

Originally posted by: AnjanaYYZ

Even so the concept of "kanyadaan" is mysoginistic. It should be I entrust and enjoin my daughter to you. Not donate my daughter to you as if she is a property.

Originally posted by: varaali

Bhu -daan (donation of property) does not rank alongside Kanyadaan. The kanya is not treated like a property or whatever you may choose to think.

Ofcourse women were (and are) considered as properties of men. Why else is daughter called 'paraya dhan' (literally - another man's property)? Why else is husband called 'Swami' (literally - owner/master)? Master of what? A slave or a commodity! Free humans do not have masters. Why else no one among Pandavas even bothered to ask Draupadi's opinion before deciding that they all would marry her? When Karna justified Draupadi's disrobing by claiming that Draupadi was already lost when Pandavas were lost, why else couldn't knowledgeable people like Vidur and Bheeshm think of a rebuttal? Because they knew that woman is a man's property that he has now lost to another man.

But despite being treated like shit all your life, if you still consider it to be a matter of pride and the purpose of your life to lick your husband's feet incessantly, and jump into fire at his death, you are an ideal woman. That's Great Indian Kaalchaar for you.

Originally posted by: varaali

In fact after Bhima rips of the divine Mani from Ashwathama's head, and presents it to Drauapdi, she gives it to Yudhishthira - not Arjuna

When Virata throws dice on Yudhishthira's cheek and he starts bleeding Drauapdi rushes to him to staunch the flow of blood, despite the fact that Yudhishthira ignored her pleas for help when tormented by Keechak.

The Drauapdi of the original MB was a noble lady.

AFAIK, her so-called relationship with Karna is contrived, convoluted and crass.

It is said that the characteristic of a Sati lady is that she does not suffer widowhood. Draupadi too didn't.

Now before everyone jumps at me pointing that Mandodari was a Sati and Ravana died before her, I would like to explain. out that for a period of twelve days after a man's death, his wife is still considered a wife. it is only after the thirteenth day ceremony is performed that she is considered a widow. If within a period of tweleve days afterher husband's death, his wife too dies, she is considered to have died a suhagan.

Originally posted by: Rehanism

Why else is husband called 'Swami' (literally - owner/master)? Master of what? A slave or a commodity! Free humans do not have masters.

But despite being treated like shit all your life, if you still consider it to be a matter of pride and the purpose of your life to lick your husband's feet incessantly, and jump into fire at his death, you are an ideal woman. That's Great Indian Kaalchaar for you.

Originally posted by: Rehanism

Ofcourse women were (and are) considered as properties of men. Why else is daughter called 'paraya dhan' (literally - another man's property)? Why else is husband called 'Swami' (literally - owner/master)? Master of what? A slave or a commodity! Free humans do not have masters. Why else no one among Pandavas even bothered to ask Draupadi's opinion before deciding that they all would marry her? When Karna justified Draupadi's disrobing by claiming that Draupadi was already lost when Pandavas were lost, why else couldn't knowledgeable people like Vidur and Bheeshm think of a rebuttal? Because they knew that woman is a man's property that he has now lost to another man.

But despite being treated like shit all your life, if you still consider it to be a matter of pride and the purpose of your life to lick your husband's feet incessantly, and jump into fire at his death, you are an ideal woman. That's Great Indian Kaalchaar for you.

We indians have the culture where women perform their duty as a daughter,wife,mother,daughter in law in a religious manner...this is what we are born with and is in our blood how much modern we become...this is the reason why we have so much of respect for our elderly people...why still infront of our parents and in laws we still bow our heads...husband in india or in western countries are karta of the family...even in christianity during marriage wife takes oath to love and care for her husband and his family and husbamd take oath of taking responsibility of fulfilling all the needs of his husband...it is not vice vrsa...in western countries too husband is a master of the family...is the head and takes all the duty...isnt it an exception when a husband is taking care of family sitting at home cooking food for his wife waiting for her in the evening and wife comes from office ask her husband to serve food for her...dear even a woman doesnot feel good to marry a man who will be dependent on her rather she will always ask for a partner whom she will feel dependent on...