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Originally posted by: cherryberry293

Beautiful post #Nandini.
Everything related to Karna is fascinating.

Like all humans he had few flaws one of them was his love his frnd. But there's no match to him.

I read a book written on Karna , "Mrityunjay" ... It's one of the BEST books I have ever read.
I cried while reading the chapter where he gave away his 'Kavach - Kundala , when he knew its a trap for him.

And the last part where he died was so touchy that even now my eyes gets wet remembering how Great Giver he was...
Arjuna's arrow cut his throat, he was dying at that time one old Brahmin came to him , dat old , poor Brahmin had lost his young son in Kurukshetra war... And he didn't had enough money for his sons funeral. Poor Brahmin came to dying Karna and asked, "hey Danveer Karna, can u give some dan to this poor an who had lost his son , his hope of life in this war.. t o complete his funeral??"

To this Karna ordered his son to take a stone and break his golden tooth and to give that golden tooth to dat Brahmin as Daan...

Originally posted by: john909

ok first of all polygamy was not something new during that time. the only difference was that this time it is a woman who had more than one husband. polygamy was practiced since vedic times and there is nothing that i found that supports your claim about woman being wh**e if she has more than one husband. karna said that coz of his extreme hatred for pandavas and coz draupadi rejected him. yes karna had a good character but as i said his choices led to his downfall. he is somewhere between antihero and tragic hero coz of his mistakes despite of good character. bhishm, karna all these people had good character and they stick to their promises or gratitude but it was hastinapur who paid the price for it. so yes if karna's choices are seen as something personal he made the right choices but he just like bhishma failed to rise above that and put hastinapur's benefit over his duties. had bhishma and karna not supported duri, this war would have never happened. i respect karna for sticking wid duri despite of circumstances but i dont respect his choices when it comes a whole nation.

i havent read the marathi book. i will try .

Originally posted by: Atiratha2.0

With Karna, since Arjuna has no doubt fighting him (he didn't know yet he was his brother), maybe the only reason is stamina.
Karna just joint the war since 11th day, while Arjun we all know he never absent from the war :) but Karna was at least (could be more) 5 yrs older than Arjun.
On the other hand maybe Karna was very determined to defeat Arjun, while in their previous 2 encounters Arjun didn't show his true identity (maybe Karna is a type of person which easily got nervous upon seeing a brahmin or a woman could match his skill)

Originally posted by: merrydock

like thewatcher said, Karna was fighting for adarma.

isint that what the Baghvatgita is about do you duty and dont think about the consequences.

if the Pandavas had not used some unfair means. the Kauravas could have definitely defeated them by using only unfair means.

the Pavandas only used the unfair means due to Lord Krishna insistence and guidance. right?

and Krishan is/was God. and what God says is right how can any man question? then and even today.

like the bible any religious book have their illogical aspects, that facilitate us like our saas bahu serials.

this is the Mahabharat we are talking about. i dont think the all the people Pandavs ,Kauravs at that time really understood what was happening and why. then how can we 4000 year later.????

bus dhikne me accha lagta hai. the sets are fabulous and the Guys are HOT. I THINK WE SHOULD JUST WATCH AND ENJOY THE SERIAL

Originally posted by: bobbiswas

Medha you are too good ... enjoyed your analysis and your way of writing.

You are indeed right that theres loads of ambiguity throughout the epic but still I was not able to understand why they actually showed Krishna Arjuna weak in the war. The same Arjuna during Virat war defeated alone the wholearmy of Bheeshma, Drona, Karna, Duryodhan etc. And also killed Karnas brother. When everyone attacked him together he used Sammohini vana and all wenr senseless except Bheeshma, whom he defeated again. Remember the same Karna was with intact kavach kundal then and all knew this Arjuna with Gandib and the special maya horses. All these without Krishna and an un knowledgeable sarathi Uttar.

During Jayadratha search also, he defeated Karna by breaking his charriot and dhanush etc. Ashwathama saved him by leaving the field with Karna. So why during 1 to 1 fight it was shown Karna fighting better. Day 1 ended with Karna defeating Arjuna and didn't killed him due to Suryasta so that ppl later does not tell Karna killed him by unfair means as Arjuna was better ... 2nd day Karna used Nagashtra. Then again placed a van inside arjuns arm before jumping out to take out charriots wheel. Shalya was there anyway and they all used to keep spared charriots anyway to switch. Even they used to fight without any charriot. Comeon what's more important then? Fight standing in battlefield while Shalya takes out the wheel or use a replacement or you yourself dive to take out the wheel!! Looks like an attempt to show him mahan and Arjuna using unfair means. For the same reason they didn't showed Arjuna using his divine weapons except the vayu vaan for Jayadratha and Brambhashir to counter Ashwathamas.
Except Bhram dand, Arjuna had all divine weapons which no one else had. Why was he fighting with Karna unnecessarily long like he is a hourly paid labor and didn't used Pashupat at the first place to clear off his vow of killing Karna like Bheem did for Dushshana ... Very confusing loose ended epic

Originally posted by: medha00

Pranipaat.

Prashansa ke liye abhaar ...

@blue sorry. did you not mean day 11? You know sometimes i wonder why people completely forget to mention the fact that Arjuna fought the war since the 1st day till the 18th.

Arjuna had been fighting repeatedly for ten days, and then Karna makes his fresh entry on the 11th day ... and defeats Arjuna. Great.

Yeah right. I wonder why???🥱

I also have doubts about Karna defeating Arjuna? if he did good for him but some people claim that it was Nakula. please clear this doubt of mine. no sarcasm intended.

Karna could defeat Arjuna once in the life time with the use of nagastra? is that right? But Krishna saved Arjuna.

In the same way, Arjuna would have killed Karna had it not been for the Kind and generous Ashwatthama.

Arjuna obtained many godly weapons, he did. But their descriptions do not sound like something beautiful to behold ... as i said, it was a nuclear, those weapons are truly what will destroy this world again if world war three takes place. It is always mentioned that whenever there was even a chance for these weapons to be used, gods came to request themselves not to use them ... for they will leave the ground barren, people infertile, fetuses mutated and what not, destroy the nature and pollute the water and air ...

Those weapons were given to only those people who will not use it for their own personal agendas but for the good of the whole world (aisa krishna ji ke gurudev ne unse kaha tha ... )... not to fulfill bheemas wish or take the revenge for Draupadi being verbally abused ...

is it right that drona refused to give the weapons e.g. brahmastra to Karna because he was envious of arjuna and was too competitive ... so he wnt to Parshuram, lied to him, obtained the weapon, got curesed and was back to the square of one.

Well Arjuna defeated Karna in Draupadis Swaymavar ... he did not have his Gandiva at that time but Karna had his kawach.

The difference between Matsya war and Kurukshetra war.

Absence of Krishna.

Now without the cool dude absent from the war ... you finally get to see the REAL strength and weaknesses of these people.

Kurukshetra war was Krishna playing chess with poor mortals, manipulation at its best ... haye mai mar jawaa ... Krishna being so ruthless and vicious is a sight to behold ...

About how people keep saying that Arjuna could never have killed Bheeshma .. (because he defeated bheeshma already, thank you) ... well Arjuna himself admitted that he cannot kill bhishma without unfair means .. Is that a weakness of Arjuna?

Well Obviously not, you cant exactly kill a man who can only die if he wishes so himself ...

So in the end, Neither Arjuna, Shikhandi or Krishna killed him ... Bheeshma killed himself.

As far as the notion that Arjuna defeated Bheesma only because Bheeshma loved Arjuna too much, is concerned ...

Well Arjuna loved Bheeshma dearly too and would not have used his full strength against him either during the war.

Also about Karna being killed unfairly ...

The morale you get from this incident is " You get what you give"

Abhimanyu was killed unfairly, is the understatement of the ages.

He destryoed the 3/4th of the army while simultaneously fending off all these learned maharathis who were leading wars when he was in his Mommys womb.

Karna was defeated by Abhimanyu once or twice.

Karna attacked him from behind, broke his bow, and also his shield ... drona broke his sword, i think.

Lets Talk about the Irony and the Sadistic but truly beautiful humor of this :-

Abhimanyu died because of a "wheel" formation.

This son of Arjuna's, the weapon that was used by him to fend off the attackers was ..a "wheel"of a broken chariot.

And Karna died while holding on to the "wheel" of his own chariot.

A truly great warrior Karna was, who died because of a wheel.

Some call it unfairness while I call it Karma.It all started from a wheel and ended on a wheel too.

When i had turned thirteen and my father told me about the story of KARNA .

i asked him that why did this man had to be killed like that ...

My Father asked, " go do your own research, you are old enough to do that and tell me ... Did Karna deserved to die fairly? Was his unfair killing really that unfair? What had he done that he deserved to die in a respectful or disrespectful manner?"

Swayam vichaar kijiye.