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Posted: 11 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: india2050



Abhimanyu fought exceedingly well. After Abhimanyu kills Lakshman (Duryodhan's son) Karna and others actually ask Drona what course of action needed to be followed now. It was Drona who advised Karna to cut the reins of horses of Ahimanyu's chariot and attack from behind and break his bow. Then he lost his sword and shield and used the wheel of chariot to defend.

No way does it lessen Karna's role.

The great warriors in the Kaurava side - Drona, Karna, Kripa, Ashwatthama and Kritavarma disable Abhimanyu but don't actually kill him.
Abhimanyu was actually killed by Dusshasan's son. They had a single combat with maces and fell unconscious during the fight. Since Abhimanyu was tired having fought alone the whole day he was slow in getting up and was killed. For dramatization in TV they show the great warriors killing him.





Wow ! Much thanks to you for explaining this part in detail.. 😃
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Posted: 11 years ago
#52

Originally posted by: mayalnee

Karna has been my Hero all my life..i really hope this serial will do justice to his character. though i kind of apprehensive.after seeing serial's treatment with so called negative characters , i fear that CVs going to turn him more grey than he actually IS just to make the Heroes look more white. they did this with duryudhan [turning him into a sadist child who like to torture common people;fisherman incident.]Sakuni turned into a caricature villain etc etc. i really really hope that they DON'T MESS WITH KARNA's CHARACTER.AND hope they show all injustice and insult he had to endure and also all of his greatness.and strength of his unsung friendship with duryudhana. He is not a myth for me , but a much real hero who fought his destiny to the end...


Very true about Duryodhan

I also feel the same

I know Duryodhan had some negative qualities

but he was not evil
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: SayaneeH.Lecter


well I got ur point .. I also think Karna's action in Draupadi's Vastraharan wasn't Karna-like .. it doesn't goes with his character .. if u read whole Mahabharat it seems like it is not karna but someone else is talking .. that's why I said it is like a forced entry of Mahabharat .. as if it was added later .. see many ancient boos has such later entries .. in Rigveda even in dramas of Shakespeare there are some part what historian suspects was added later .. I believe this part was like that

but about the specific word I have explained technically it wasn't wrong as per norms of religion .. I m just telling fact not justifying it anyway

about Abhimanyu .. yes I felt bad for him .. but what happened it happened following the rules .. its true it was unfair but to be very specific it wasn't "Adharm" as karna's death was .. see Abhimanyu entered Chakrabujhya himself .. he was armed .. so nothing was wrong .. in a chakrabujhya it always many vs one .. it wud have been same if Arjun was there but yes he knew how to come out .. but attacking process remain same .. but during Karna it was absolutely against morality .. he was unarmed .. as per rules you can't attack an unarmed man .. what happened to Abhimanyu was sad and pathetic but what happened to KARNA was tragic .. and the man of quality he was make things more painful .. Arjun did it wrong .. may be he and yes Krishna was the 1st one to bring such trick in war field [though there are more example in Ramayan Bali, Meghnad] by bringing Sikhandi to defeat Bhishma n then it was to defeat karna


well I got ur point .. I also think Karna's action in Draupadi's Vastraharan wasn't Karna-like .. it doesn't goes with his character .. if u read whole Mahabharat it seems like it is not karna but someone else is talking .. that's why I said it is like a forced entry of Mahabharat .. as if it was added later .. see many ancient boos has such later entries .. in Rigveda even in dramas of Shakespeare there are some part what historian suspects was added later .. I believe this part was like that

I agree you are right those actions were not so Karna like and I feel the same like great works of literature and our Mythology that part of Karna character may be edited, it truly goes totally opposite of what we saw in Karna throughout the whole Mahabharat..

You are also true about Abhimanyu's death, it was tragic but not "Adharma"
Edited by panchaali - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#54

Originally posted by: panchaali



<font color="#ff0000">Very true about Duryodhan</font>

<font color="#ff0000">I also feel the same</font>

<font color="#ff0000">I know Duryodhan had some negative qualities</font>

<font color="#ff0000">but he was not evil</font>



Totally agree..do you all know that in 'Shamshaan Mahabharata', Duryodhan is treated as an unconventional hero..Dury had some positive traits as well..
1. He was a loyal brother & son
2. He was a true friend
3. Most importantantly, he fought the war with pride & honour
4. And, never discriminated the castes
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: candidfrisky



Totally agree..do you all know that in 'Shamshaan Mahabharata', Duryodhan is treated as an unconventional hero..Dury had some positive traits as well..
1. He was a loyal brother & son
2. He was a true friend
3. Most importantantly, he fought the war with pride & honour
4. And, never discriminated the castes
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Yes true and I always knew that Duryodhan loved his subjects a lot and here the cvs introduced his character while torturing his subjects, then typical villain mentality

All I knew that he was bit Ahankari and proud but he emotions worked more than his brain otherwise who considers a suta putra as his best friend?

a politically wit person will always want to stay away from that as this could cause his reputation, but I don't know how will they show Duryodhan Karna's friendship here..


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: panchaali



<font color="#ff0000">Yes true and I always knew that Duryodhan loved his subjects a lot and here the cvs introduced his character while torturing his subjects, then typical villain mentality</font>

<font color="#ff0000">All I knew that he was bit Ahankari and proud but he emotions worked more than his brain otherwise who considers a suta putra as his best friend?</font>

<font color="#ff0000">a politically wit person will always want to stay away from that as this could cause his reputation, but I don't know how will they show Duryodhan Karna's friendship here..</font>




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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: india2050


Abhimanyu fought exceedingly well. After Abhimanyu kills Lakshman (Duryodhan's son) Karna and others actually ask Drona what course of action needed to be followed now. It was Drona who advised Karna to cut the reins of horses of Ahimanyu's chariot and attack from behind and break his bow. Then he lost his sword and shield and used the wheel of chariot to defend.

No way does it lessen Karna's role.

The great warriors in the Kaurava side - Drona, Karna, Kripa, Ashwatthama and Kritavarma disable Abhimanyu but don't actually kill him.
Abhimanyu was actually killed by Dusshasan's son. They had a single combat with maces and fell unconscious during the fight. Since Abhimanyu was tired having fought alone the whole day he was slow in getting up and was killed. For dramatization in TV they show the great warriors killing him.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: india2050


Abhimanyu fought exceedingly well. After Abhimanyu kills Lakshman (Duryodhan's son) Karna and others actually ask Drona what course of action needed to be followed now. It was Drona who advised Karna to cut the reins of horses of Ahimanyu's chariot and attack from behind and break his bow. Then he lost his sword and shield and used the wheel of chariot to defend.

No way does it lessen Karna's role.

The great warriors in the Kaurava side - Drona, Karna, Kripa, Ashwatthama and Kritavarma disable Abhimanyu but don't actually kill him.
Abhimanyu was actually killed by Dusshasan's son. They had a single combat with maces and fell unconscious during the fight. Since Abhimanyu was tired having fought alone the whole day he was slow in getting up and was killed. For dramatization in TV they show the great warriors killing him.



@Sabhayata by being armed I meant he was armed and lose them during the course of battle .. still I agree it was sad but that don't justify reason of Killing Karna

@india2050 I didn't know about death of Karna's son by Nakul .. thanks for this information .. now Karna's mindset at that point can be understood better
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Posted: 11 years ago
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@candidfrisky I didn't read Shamshan mahabharat but read a lot of book with different perspective and my own analysis says Dury was a person with good heart but miserably misguided by a man with a motive .. he was a good ruler and definitely a good friend .. his ego sometime blinded him but in Kurukhsetra we found him to fight with honor and following rules more than pandavas did

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