Were pandavas equally responsible for draupadi cheerharad?

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Posted: 11 years ago
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I had this question in my mind for a long time

When Yudi lost it all and when dushashan dragged draupadi to the court why didnt arjuna or bheema fight and stopped it all then and there there would have been a fight of course but the cheerharad wouldn't have happened , they may have lost everything but they should have fought as far as i know arjuna and bheema were very powerful if they have would have fought then and there the vastraharad wouldn't have even started and if the reason for not fighting was because they lost her in the game that is not acceptable.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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well its not acceptable to us since we live in a different yug our values and morals are different
In that yug slaves couldnt go against their masters this was their belief and as pandavas thought they were slaves of Duryodhan hence couldnt stop him
what they could have doen is stopped yudhishtir from betting everything
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Posted: 11 years ago
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It's a good question!

On one hand Bheem and Arjun and the other Pandavas had become slaves, so they couldn't talk back to their masters.

However on the other hand, they were Kshatriya's and a Kshtariya's primary duty is to fight injustice. So why did they sit down and not fight injustice? (As warriors they should have spoken out for righteousness).
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Posted: 11 years ago
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There can be many arguments of what the rules and regulations were there in that yug but if I have to answer it in word then YES, they were definitely responsible.
What about dharm of a husband who vows to protect his wife under any circumstances. And irony is that she had FIVE husbands who could do nothing to protect her from the torture & humiliation.
Edited by rimi10 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: rimi10

There can be many arguments of what the rules and regulations were there in that yug but if I have to answer it in word then YES, they were definitely responsible.

What about dharm of a husband who vows to protect his wife under any circumstances. And irony is that she had FIVE husbands who could do nothing to protect her from the torture & humiliation.



Agreed
but they fought the entire Mahabharat to get her her honor and due to the way she was made to suffer and be humiliated. Only Yudhisthir was responsible among Pandavas and others did try to stop him not just when they themselves were betted but especially when Draupadi was betted but even he was tricked.

But what were Bheesh, Kripacharya, Dronacharya were doing???? Sitting and watching the kulvadhu being raped and enjoying the senario. Above all what was Taat shri doing who, unfortunately, was a king also, Dhritrashtra, shouldn't he have stopped it??? But Kunti and Gandhari,were also quite. They were women, strong women and they had had first duty as women and Gandhari??? She was a maharani, could have put a stop to this madness and she did but at the end when already it was too late.

Only person who tried to stop and who protested with all his might, and who warned not just Duryodhan but the entire group of Seniors was Vidhur and only Vidhur.

The culture and high principles and values in life at that time lead to the game of dwoot krida. Yes, the game happened when Dhritrashtra ordered Yudhisthir to play after he refused to play. He knew Shakuni very well.

But Yudhisthir could not refuse his taat shri,s order. Draupadi and other Pandavas were betted and were lost and after they had become slaves Pandavas as slaves could not go against their master's orders.
After loosing everything Yudhisthir should have put a stop there and then before he continued and betted pandavas. And later Draupadi his wife.

But Dhritrasthra should not have let this game happened in the first place. As head of the family, as a senior and as a king, let that happened so he is responsible first before others.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: rasyafan



Agreed
but they fought the entire Mahabharat to get her her honor and due to the way she was made to suffer and be humiliated. Only Yudhisthir was responsible among Pandavas and others did try to stop him not just when they themselves were betted but especially when Draupadi was betted but even he was tricked.

But what were Bheesh, Kripacharya, Dronacharya were doing???? Sitting and watching the kulvadhu being raped and enjoying the senario. Above all what was Taat shri doing who, unfortunately, was a king also, Dhritrashtra, shouldn't he have stopped it??? But Kunti and Gandhari,were also quite. They were women, strong women and they had had first duty as women and Gandhari??? She was a maharani, could have put a stop to this madness and she did but at the end when already it was too late.

Only person who tried to stop and who protested with all his might, and who warned not just Duryodhan but the entire group of Seniors was Vidhur and only Vidhur.

The culture and high principles and values in life at that time lead to the game of dwoot krida. Yes, the game happened when Dhritrashtra ordered Yudhisthir to play after he refused to play. He knew Shakuni very well.

But Yudhisthir could not refuse his taat shri,s order. Draupadi and other Pandavas were betted and were lost and after they had become slaves Pandavas as slaves could not go against their master's orders.
After loosing everything Yudhisthir should have put a stop there and then before he continued and betted pandavas. And later Draupadi his wife.

But Dhritrasthra should not have let this game happened in the first place. As head of the family, as a senior and as a king, let that happened so he is responsible first before others.

And that makes Dhrits the most useless king of all times who had no voice of his own😲. And what do I say about the Pandu brothers. Yuddhisthir offcourse was the jeeta jaagta example of righteousness but he also had the addiction of this particular game. So a little push from Dhrits and he was ready to go.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: rimi10

And that makes Dhrits the most useless king of all times who had no voice of his own😲. And what do I say about the Pandu brothers. Yuddhisthir offcourse was the jeeta jaagta example of righteousness but he also had the addiction of this particular game. So a little push from Dhrits and he was ready to go.



no no yudhishthir was not a gambler he even refused to play gambling then dhritrashtra ordered him deliberately he knew fully well that both duryodhan n shakuni r gonna cheat yudhisthir
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: rasyafan



Agreed
but they fought the entire Mahabharat to get her her honor and due to the way she was made to suffer and be humiliated. Only Yudhisthir was responsible among Pandavas and others did try to stop him not just when they themselves were betted but especially when Draupadi was betted but even he was tricked.

But what were Bheesh, Kripacharya, Dronacharya were doing???? Sitting and watching the kulvadhu being raped and enjoying the senario. Above all what was Taat shri doing who, unfortunately, was a king also, Dhritrashtra, shouldn't he have stopped it??? But Kunti and Gandhari,were also quite. They were women, strong women and they had had first duty as women and Gandhari??? She was a maharani, could have put a stop to this madness and she did but at the end when already it was too late.

Only person who tried to stop and who protested with all his might, and who warned not just Duryodhan but the entire group of Seniors was Vidhur and only Vidhur.

The culture and high principles and values in life at that time lead to the game of dwoot krida. Yes, the game happened when Dhritrashtra ordered Yudhisthir to play after he refused to play. He knew Shakuni very well.

But Yudhisthir could not refuse his taat shri,s order. Draupadi and other Pandavas were betted and were lost and after they had become slaves Pandavas as slaves could not go against their master's orders.
After loosing everything Yudhisthir should have put a stop there and then before he continued and betted pandavas. And later Draupadi his wife.

But Dhritrasthra should not have let this game happened in the first place. As head of the family, as a senior and as a king, let that happened so he is responsible first before others.



Not only Vidur alone, one of the Kaurava brother had also protested. Ain't able to remember his name..
Edited by candidfrisky - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hi friends,

If u don't mind, I shall explain all the doubts that have been revealed here:

Pandavas love their wife Draupadi alot. Yudhishtir was asked to do Rajasuya yagam by Sage Narada, so that their father Pandu can get a place in heaven. Narada also warned that after doing this ritual, this affect will be there for 13 years. Dharma samsthapana will happen and evils will be destroyed. Duryodhana will be the major cause for this.

After listening this, Yudhishtir hesitates to do this ritual and their purohit Dhoumya will advice him to do the ritual. If evil kings were dead, that will be good for earth. After he completed yagnam, he explains his brothers about this and takes an oath that he will not hurt kauravas in any way. Other brothers also promised that they will also not hurt kauravas in any way.

On the other hand, Shakuni wins over pasadhishtadri devata (god of dice), so that all the time he plays, he will only win. That is the major reason why yudhishtir was unable to win at least one time. Dhritarashtr send Vidur to invite Pandavas and Draupadi only to Hastinapur. Kunti didn't come at that time. Vidur although suspecting was desparate. He warns Dhritarashtr not to insult Pandavas in any way. Dhritarashtr assures him that I am there. I will take care that nothing will happen. He also tells Bhishm about this before inviting Pandavas. Bhishm tells that we have to listen to king. Vidur went to Indraprasth and invited Pandavas. He warns Yudhishtir that there may be a prank. But Yudhishtir told that Dhritarashtr is our Tashree, as sons we have to obey him.

After their exile to forests, Sage Romasa arrives there and gives upadesam about Aksha Vidya, where Yudhishtir can also have grip over Pasadhishtadri devata (god of dice). That is the reason after12 years Aranya vaas and 1 year Agyata Vaas, Shakuni did not invite to play dice again.

Bheeshm, Drona and Vidur were helpless at that time where Kauravas were insulting Draupadi, because they were bound to worthless king Dhritarashtr. Actually, from beginning Gandhari was also jealous of Pandavas and Kunti. Even she kept quiet.

When Draupadi was called in sabha, she stood behind Dhritarashtr. If king has stopped his sons, they couldn't insult her.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: rasyafan



Agreed
but they fought the entire Mahabharat to get her her honor and due to the way she was made to suffer and be humiliated. Only Yudhisthir was responsible among Pandavas and others did try to stop him not just when they themselves were betted but especially when Draupadi was betted but even he was tricked.

But what were Bheesh, Kripacharya, Dronacharya were doing???? Sitting and watching the kulvadhu being raped and enjoying the senario. Above all what was Taat shri doing who, unfortunately, was a king also, Dhritrashtra, shouldn't he have stopped it??? But Kunti and Gandhari,were also quite. They were women, strong women and they had had first duty as women and Gandhari??? She was a maharani, could have put a stop to this madness and she did but at the end when already it was too late.

Only person who tried to stop and who protested with all his might, and who warned not just Duryodhan but the entire group of Seniors was Vidhur and only Vidhur.

The culture and high principles and values in life at that time lead to the game of dwoot krida. Yes, the game happened when Dhritrashtra ordered Yudhisthir to play after he refused to play. He knew Shakuni very well.

But Yudhisthir could not refuse his taat shri,s order. Draupadi and other Pandavas were betted and were lost and after they had become slaves Pandavas as slaves could not go against their master's orders.
After loosing everything Yudhisthir should have put a stop there and then before he continued and betted pandavas. And later Draupadi his wife.

But Dhritrasthra should not have let this game happened in the first place. As head of the family, as a senior and as a king, let that happened so he is responsible first before others.


I dont think yudi was alone responsible for the vastraharan, he did lost her in a game of dice but what were pandavas doing when their wife was being humilaited in sabha, if arjun and bheema would have fought duryodhan ofcourse bheeshma and karna would have come to his protection fight would have happened bt the vastraharan would have stopped what was the use of being and best archer in the world ( arjun ) and having the strength of 100 elephants ( bheema ) when they cant protect their own wife and bheeshma was the most Hippocratic person when vidur came to him for advice he told him to follow dharma but when the time came to stand by dharma bheeshma stood watch ,karna had his own reason because he was humiliated by draupadi in the swayamvar and he wanted revenge and everybody knew dhritashtra wouldnt have stopped his dear son at any cost . WHat was the use to the war when it came 13 yrs after the vastraharan.

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