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Shakuni stayed in Hastynapur for years.Why no one asked him to leave before this incident?
Why he did not get any punishment for killing Bheem?
Doryodhan was spared as he was kid and his father pleaded but why Shakuni did not get any punishment?
He killed Bheem.He would not survived if he was an ordinary child.
Sending him back to Gandhar was not a punishment for such grave crime.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ...SaRun...

Shakuni stayed in Hastynapur for years.Why no one asked him to leave before this incident?

Shakuni stayed because the king had no objections and Shakuni made sure that Dhrid was on his side. No one could say a anything against the king' wishes.

Why he did not get any punishment for killing Bheem?
Doryodhan was spared as he was kid and his father pleaded but why Shakuni did not get any punishment?

Punishing Shakuni in any other way would have announced to the world that Duryodhan was also a part of Bheem attempted murder. If Duryodhan had to be spared, it required that the knowledge of crime was contained to knelt those who knew it and did not be made known to all via a case in the royal court.
This meant that Shakuni could only be exiled under some pretext (in this case, to fill his father's place in Gandhar). The exile was the punishment.

He killed Bheem.He would not survived if he was an ordinary child.

Very true. But Bheem was no ordinary child.

Sending him back to Gandhar was not a punishment for such grave crime.

Exile was the highest punishment that could be given under the above explained circumstances..


Your points are valid. Shakuni did escape greater punishment. He escaped because Duryodhan escaped. My explanations in bold and italics in the above.😛
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I think in the original MB Shakuni wasn't involved in this act it was carried out by Duri himself. Bt here they've messed with it, so now making up for the loopholes like that.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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hi
shakuni had nothing to do wite act cause shakuni was no even in hastinapur at that time. he goes back to gandhar afte his sistr's marriage.

here is how the event is given in the book:

"Vaisampayana continued, 'Then the sons of king Pandu, having gone through all the purifying rites prescribed in the Vedas, began to grow up in princely style in the home of their father. Whenever they were engaged in play with the sons of Dhritarashtra, their superiority of strength became marked. In speed, in striking the objects aimed at, in consuming articles of food, and scattering dust, Bhimasena
beat all the sons of Dhritarashtra. The son of the Wind-god pulled them by the hair and made them fight with one another, laughing all the while. And Vrikodara easily defeated those hundred and one children of great energy as if they were one instead of being a hundred and one. The second Pandava used to seize them by the hair, and throwing them down, to drag them along the earth. By this, some had their knees broken, some their heads, and some their shoulders. That youth, sometimes holding ten of them, drowned them in water, till they were nearly dead. When the sons of Dhritarashtra got up to the boughs of a tree for plucking fruits, Bhima used to shake that tree, by striking it with his foot, so that down came the fruits and the fruitpluckers at the same time. In fact, those princes were no match for Bhima in pugilistic encounters, in speed, or in skill. Bhima used to make a display of his strength by thus tormenting them in childishness but not from malice.
"Seeing these wonderful exhibitions of the might of Bhima, the powerful Duryodhana, the eldest son of Dhritarashtra, began to conceive hostility towards him. And the wicked and unrighteous Duryodhana, through ignorance and ambition, prepared himself for an act of sin. He thought, 'There is no other individual who can compare with Bhima, the second son of Pandu, in point of prowess. I shall have to destroy him by artifice. Singly, Bhima dares a century of us to the combat. Therefore, when he shall sleep in the garden, I shall throw him into the current of the Ganga. Afterwards, confining his eldest
brother Yudhishthira and his younger brother Arjuna, I shall reign sole king without molestation.'

Then the evil-minded prince said unto the Pandavas, 'Let us all go to the banks of the Ganga graced with trees and crowned with flowers and sport there in the water.'
Meanwhile the wicked Duryodhana had mixed a powerful poison with a quantity of food, with the object of making away with Bhima. That wicked youth who had nectar in his tongue and a razor in his heart, rose at length, and in a friendly way fed Bhima largely with that poisoned food, and thinking himself lucky in having compassed his end, was exceedingly glad at heart.

Having made the other youths take exercise in the waters, the powerful second Pandava was excessively fatigued. So that on rising from the water, he lay down on the ground. He was weary and
under the influence of the poison. And the cool air served to spread the poison over all his frame, so that he lost his senses at once. Seeing this Duryodhana bound him with chords of shrubs, and threw him into the water. The insensible son of Pandu sank down till he reached the Naga kingdom. Nagas, furnished with fangs containing virulent venom, bit him by thousands. The vegetable poison, mingled in the blood of the son of the Wind god, was neutralised by the snake-poison.

'Then Bhima, endued with great strength and prowess, related to his brothers everything about the villainy of Duryodhana, and the lucky and unlucky incidents that had befallen him in the world of the
Serpents. Thereupon Yudhishthira said, 'Do thou observe silence on this. Do not speak of this to any one. From this day, protect ye all one another with care.' Thus cautioned by the righteous Yudhishthira,
they all, with Yudhishthira himself, became very vigilant from that day. And lest negligence might occur on the part of the sons of Kunti, Vidura continually offered them sage advice.
"Some time after, Duryodhana again mixed in the food of Bhima a poison that was fresh, virulent, and very deadly. But Yuyutsu (Dhritarashtra's son by a Vaisya wife), moved by his friendship for the
Pandavas, informed them of this. Vrikodara, however, swallowed it without any hesitation, and digested it completely. And, though virulent the poison produced no effects on Bhima.
"Meanwhile, the king (Dhritarashtra), beholding the Kuru princes passing their time in idleness and growing naughty, appointed Gautama as their preceptor and sent them unto him for instruction. Born among a clump of heath, Gautama was well-skilled in the Vedas and it was under him (also called Kripa) that the Kuru princes began to learn the use of arms.'"


so bhishma doesnt have any role in all this! and as a fact , neither does shakuni!!

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: shivpriya

I think in the original MB Shakuni wasn't involved in this act it was carried out by Duri himself. Bt here they've messed with it, so now making up for the loopholes like that.



No dear in Original Mahabharat Shakuni is involved all wrong & bad Plan.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: jmoyee200



No dear in Original Mahabharat Shakuni is involved all wrong & bad Plan.


Agree.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Shakuni was very wrong person & he is Dhritarashtra 's God father...so doing all time wrong work.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: bhas1066

hi
shakuni had nothing to do wite act cause shakuni was no even in hastinapur at that time. he goes back to gandhar afte his sistr's marriage.

here is how the event is given in the book:

"Vaisampayana continued, 'Then the sons of king Pandu, having gone through all the purifying rites prescribed in the Vedas, began to grow up in princely style in the home of their father. Whenever they were engaged in play with the sons of Dhritarashtra, their superiority of strength became marked. In speed, in striking the objects aimed at, in consuming articles of food, and scattering dust, Bhimasena
beat all the sons of Dhritarashtra. The son of the Wind-god pulled them by the hair and made them fight with one another, laughing all the while. And Vrikodara easily defeated those hundred and one children of great energy as if they were one instead of being a hundred and one. The second Pandava used to seize them by the hair, and throwing them down, to drag them along the earth. By this, some had their knees broken, some their heads, and some their shoulders. That youth, sometimes holding ten of them, drowned them in water, till they were nearly dead. When the sons of Dhritarashtra got up to the boughs of a tree for plucking fruits, Bhima used to shake that tree, by striking it with his foot, so that down came the fruits and the fruitpluckers at the same time. In fact, those princes were no match for Bhima in pugilistic encounters, in speed, or in skill. Bhima used to make a display of his strength by thus tormenting them in childishness but not from malice.
"Seeing these wonderful exhibitions of the might of Bhima, the powerful Duryodhana, the eldest son of Dhritarashtra, began to conceive hostility towards him. And the wicked and unrighteous Duryodhana, through ignorance and ambition, prepared himself for an act of sin. He thought, 'There is no other individual who can compare with Bhima, the second son of Pandu, in point of prowess. I shall have to destroy him by artifice. Singly, Bhima dares a century of us to the combat. Therefore, when he shall sleep in the garden, I shall throw him into the current of the Ganga. Afterwards, confining his eldest
brother Yudhishthira and his younger brother Arjuna, I shall reign sole king without molestation.'

Then the evil-minded prince said unto the Pandavas, 'Let us all go to the banks of the Ganga graced with trees and crowned with flowers and sport there in the water.'
Meanwhile the wicked Duryodhana had mixed a powerful poison with a quantity of food, with the object of making away with Bhima. That wicked youth who had nectar in his tongue and a razor in his heart, rose at length, and in a friendly way fed Bhima largely with that poisoned food, and thinking himself lucky in having compassed his end, was exceedingly glad at heart.

Having made the other youths take exercise in the waters, the powerful second Pandava was excessively fatigued. So that on rising from the water, he lay down on the ground. He was weary and
under the influence of the poison. And the cool air served to spread the poison over all his frame, so that he lost his senses at once. Seeing this Duryodhana bound him with chords of shrubs, and threw him into the water. The insensible son of Pandu sank down till he reached the Naga kingdom. Nagas, furnished with fangs containing virulent venom, bit him by thousands. The vegetable poison, mingled in the blood of the son of the Wind god, was neutralised by the snake-poison.

'Then Bhima, endued with great strength and prowess, related to his brothers everything about the villainy of Duryodhana, and the lucky and unlucky incidents that had befallen him in the world of the
Serpents. Thereupon Yudhishthira said, 'Do thou observe silence on this. Do not speak of this to any one. From this day, protect ye all one another with care.' Thus cautioned by the righteous Yudhishthira,
they all, with Yudhishthira himself, became very vigilant from that day. And lest negligence might occur on the part of the sons of Kunti, Vidura continually offered them sage advice.
"Some time after, Duryodhana again mixed in the food of Bhima a poison that was fresh, virulent, and very deadly. But Yuyutsu (Dhritarashtra's son by a Vaisya wife), moved by his friendship for the
Pandavas, informed them of this. Vrikodara, however, swallowed it without any hesitation, and digested it completely. And, though virulent the poison produced no effects on Bhima.
"Meanwhile, the king (Dhritarashtra), beholding the Kuru princes passing their time in idleness and growing naughty, appointed Gautama as their preceptor and sent them unto him for instruction. Born among a clump of heath, Gautama was well-skilled in the Vedas and it was under him (also called Kripa) that the Kuru princes began to learn the use of arms.'"


so bhishma doesnt have any role in all this! and as a fact , neither does shakuni!!

Thnx @bhas1066 so its clear - Duri did it on his own. Though Shakuni had influence on him but Duri was not all innocent, he was born wid wicked qualities.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: br200910

Shakuni was very wrong person & he is Dhritarashtra 's God father...so doing all time wrong work.



Agree... coz Dhritrashtra also very wrong so he all time sport him...and Duryodhan just like his father .
Edited by Krilovad - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Justlikethat1


Your points are valid. Shakuni did escape greater punishment. He escaped because Duryodhan escaped. My explanations in bold and italics in the above.😛


I agree with your points and thanks for this lovely explaination. My question was that Duri was a kid and did he escaped from bigger punishment? but Shakuni was an adult and if he can plot and act such a hideous crime then he should get some serious punishment. I think by sending him away means giving him more chances to plot against Pandavs even though he knew he was exiled due to them.
Secondly I agree Bheem wasn't an ordinary child but still a child who was murdered by Duri and Shakuni and being the protector of Hastynapur it was Bheesham's responsibility to protect the lives of common men too.
I know Shakuni has an influence on Dhitrashtr but at first he stayed there for his sister then when she settled and had kids he should leave as Pandu was already left the throne.King did not assigned him a role so his stay does not make any sense.
I think it was another mistake by Bheesham to not punishing him properly.

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