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Posted: 11 years ago
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Is there a possibility to show the actual scenario happened is different?
Itna dark story mujhe nahi chahiye
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: priyachand

i found the episode ttooo painful to watch! 😭

when madhu kept on hurting Raja with her words, which was extreme in her expression (this is wht i alwyas wonder why?) d way Raja goes with hurt expression, evn madhu ws disturbed. bt she has no personal equation with him at all! she has completely separated Raju from Raja! she seemed to think of him as another violent chr only.

A vulnerable Raja is easily instigated by Bhanu. That guy not just alcohol, he seemed to have mixed somehting in the drink too. so evn thougth Raja was feeling for his madhu, gets encouraged by Bhanu to go and show the place of wife!

i really thought Bhanu is going to go inside and help Raja do the deed! Disgusting creep!

but why did he switch off the power! so is ther egoing to be a confusion of whether rape happned or not? Will Madhu lie? if u go to police, shdnt one do medical testing?

And the most painful scene of todays episode! though we had promos for a week, i dint expect it to happen (wht i expected i dont know)!

Married or not, forcing anyone is a complete NO! Though cvs show that Raja was not in his senses, still he did this disgusting act! did he even realize wht he did? i dont think so! he ws the kind of who dint evn touch her when she dint wnt to touch. so does he realize wht he did!


i found it very painful! Madhu might have been angry and sounded unsympathetic, bt she dint deserve this! A beautiful act has been spoiled forever for madhu! whatever happens in future, this one nightmare is going to haunt madhu's life n also Raja's life!

i dont know how VD agreed to do this scene! i dont think any hero wd have dared to do it!

Both DVD were phenomenal in this scene. DD expressed her anger, helplessness and revulsion so very well. and that scene where she begs him with folded hands ws so heartrending!

And VD! his anger and all the perceived insults gets him wiilder and wilder. today he did turn jungli in his anger!

how are they going to redeem his chr! i dont know!

i dint wnt to see such scene with my fav chrs rajabala!

found it too painful to watch!!

And precap! that is disgusting! wht kind of family is this! not an iota of sympathy as woman to woman! is that baiji n agni normal women?

i had to vent it out! i dont think i cd watcht the repeat of this epi!

i dont wnt to go into the disucssion of was it really needed! chr is butchered and other such argument.

i wnt to see how are they going to show d story further!

this act has made the story a very dark love story and chrs grey indeed! it really takes guts for cvs n actor to do this.

most of the viewers for tv shows are women n most women wd hate this. so wht made our cvs to take this extreme step?

there have been a movie in olden days in tamil in similar vein which ws soo successful that a remake ws made later. bt that story starts with rape n how hero tries to redeem n get his love accept him! don t know why i thoguth of that movie only today!





i'm so shocked today...and I haven't even watched the epi and nor will I ever have the heart to.

If indeed Raja has committed the heinous act of raping his wife,under the influence of drugs or not,it will forever mar the sympathy that the viewers had for him while Madhu continuously spewed venom against his love. For heaven's sake even I had lost my patience with JM's mood swings...and all for what??

I know Priya that you don't want to discuss the mutilation of a lead character for the sake of plot progression but that's what most of us fans will ask today.Had this move by the CVs ensured success for this show,we would've understood but this was a completely unnecessary gamble IMO.

And Raja displays no remorse the next morning...then how will he ever develop the same for it later??how will he ever understand the gravity of the crime he committed??

BTW is marital rape a criminally punishable offence in India? it wasn't earlier as far as I'm aware.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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I just don't know what to say about today's episode...🤔
At the beginning I really felt bad for Raja when he was begging to JM that he will change himself and be her Raju just for her... will she love him then but JM's rejection broke him apart... and then Bhanu influenced him...I really thought nothing will but I guess I expected so much from cv's...

I even thought Raja will regret later but his last dialogue was... 👎🏼 there' nothing left to feel bad about him... 😵

I just hope cv's will able handle this track well otherwise they shouldn't have touched a sensitive issue like that...as I said before after anything happening like that no scope for redemption will left for Raja and it'll be really unacceptable...

I m really upset with today's episode...and precap was the worst...🤢
Lets see what tmrw's episode will bring in their life...

The only thing in the whole episode was good was awesome performance by DVD...on which I can't applaud them for a scene like that...
Edited by .Dreamsy. - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Bahnni, marital rape is not a legal offence in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.
Don't know if exception is made for girls under what age in the other countries, but in India, girls under 15 years of age are exception and protected from the ambit.

By law, India does *not* yet recognize marital rape as a crime unless the wife is younger than 15 years old.
Every attempt to get marital rape considered in the category of rape keeps running into a clear demarcation line which makes non-marital rape a crime, but if the rape has been done by husband against his wife, then it's not considered rape.

So Raja saying that it's not rape if a husband consummates with the wife (regardless of her consent) is legally correct.

The basic law is totally in favour of the husband's right.
The husband has the right to consummate with his wife.
The wife does not have the right to refuse to consummate with the husband.
If the wife refuse to consummate, but the husband forces consummation, the law does not consider it rape.

In marital rape, regardless of the woman being willing or unwilling, it is considered the husband's right to have conventional consummation within the marriage, with the mitigation being that if she would not have objected, he would not have needed to force.

Even if they claim time-leap as excuse in this series, everything else in the story is according to today's times.
So their showing that she gets her husband arrested for something that is legally not a crime...
It's likely to mislead people into thinking there is actually such a law.
This is the one thing that even many developed countries took ages to finally get recognized as a legal offence.

The current legal situation's humiliation for women is that if the rape is done with sufficient caution to prevent any other injury to her, then she has no recourse.

JM only has the option of domestic violence law.
Raja can also claim persecution within the marriage by her refusal to consummate. And both can declare the other to be a liar on any number of matters. All that is fine points.
But that dratted promo had been having JM stand and say something which efforts have been on for, but she goes saying it like an existent law, and any number of people seeing it may assume that the act itself is legally a crime, rather than that everything on the periphery has to be used since the act itself is not a legal crime.

The problem here is that they are claiming that she'll be going after him for marital rape, which is not legally considered rape.

The wife actually does not have the option of punishing him for taking her against her will, attempted or otherwise.
It's an ongoing endeavour, but even developed countries took ages on this one.

Edited by leelaa9 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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ill make my points short tonight !!!!

--Glad the Creatives have not spoiled JM or Raja's character ! they have always been flawed...n both of them never try to understand what the other one feels ...they just want to express what they knw n what they feel for each other !!!

--from the story point of view this Huge Gamble is necessary ! i feel this shud give us a hand in boosting TRP's ...at least to see WHAT NEXT !!!! now all of us are worried how the story will proceed further ...but i kind of have gut feelin this is definitely gonna work in our favor...i mean favor of the show's progress ! they wont dare show us such a twist in the tale without a strong back up story !!

so just like all general audience am eagerly waiting to see their (RM's) Next move !

* back to the episode ...
My POV .. Raja is soo much in love with her n we know it ...and this is not the first time he is receiving an insult from rani ...yet he keeps a distance ..n never goes out of control ...ppl might argue as to why he drank the alcohol in the first place ..but being totally pissed off he din mind it coming from bhanu ..n in that moment he wud have gotten drunk if nyone else wr is bhanu's place too ...so we cant blame him there for drinking ..coz Raja is not mahaan !

even after soo deadly drunk ...even after knocking the door for long her reverts back ...n tells bhanu that he doesnt want to as rani dislikes ! ...note he was not pushed once but many times...

and the peak of it all ...He is a MAN... he is Drunk... (lets leave out that magic masala Bhanu mixed ) ...he is so much in love...n he feels he feels hurt !
so he proceeds to go on with the Mentality/teachings of his BG ...which has Only taught him to keep woman under their feet n to control them ! so he is done with the deed !

Rani : as a woman she became powerless in front of him ...n had to give in ...but if u see the ONLY thing that rings in her head the next morning is " Hum tumse bohot pyaar karte hai rani ...hum tumse zabardasti nahi karna chate hai"...so her only Q is how cud Raja do this to her? ...while he was talking about being in LOVE wit her for so long ...

and Raja he has no clue to what he has done ...that's why he says ...how can loving one can become a rape? ...i want to talk a lil more about them ...but ill reserve my comments for tomorrow ...

the ultimate villain is Bhanu...when i say this i don't justify anybody action ...and bhanu's ONLY aim to to BREAK raja into pieces...he tried to kill him once (physically)...but god was in R's favor n he returned back ...Agni tried to scare/kill rani with the snake ...but failed ...the third atteplt was to hurt R or M or both...so that they wud leave the gaon for good ..but alas they had to accompany them to Mumbai ...
the fourth attempt ...trying to create a drift between RM ...bu again failed as he realized there is nothing betw them in the first place... to Break ! so he opts to BREAK his HEART ...the heart that longs for Madhu's Love !!

so with this new method...he instigated Raja !
right nw...bahnu's target is not only Raja but also Madhu for all the insults he received from her ...
so he has chosen this way...n its a double win for him... he killed JM thro Raja ...and seeing Raja's love for M...he knows the HATE from her will be His END ...afterall Rani means the WORLD to him !!! Breaking her is Like Breaking him !!! this time JM is not hurt by nyone else but him ... the person who time n again confessed his love for her 💔...

will this break Raja ?? Bhanu has Hit this time on the Right spot ...will he succeed in making them fall apart ??? will JM easily give in ??


waiting to see how the story is gonna proceed !!!!



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Posted: 11 years ago
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Sheer Brilliance !!!!


my new post !😳
Edited by BeautyForAshes - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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@leela
marital rape is not considered rape legally! i hthought it ws changed! Not yet! that is really bad!

bt thank u for d explanation! so police complaint can be filed for violence not rape! lets see wht JM is going to do!

@bella
Interesting POV! wehn everyone were (including me) ranting, you see it from different perspective. made me look at it differently

i am not looking it as who is right n who is wrong. as u said, both are right in their ways n both are also wrong.

All this anger comes becos we have been conditioned to see hero chrs behave in one particular way. when a hero deviates from that path, we get upset. we say hero chr is compromised butchered and wht not!

flawed hero is a very popular concept. again the flaw also is soemthign that is not a big deal or redeemable. our RK was like that. he ws rude n egoistic bt still he cared for his enemy, dint physically hurt her n was so very obsessed with her. this obsession also gave such a nice feelign tothe woman, that it dint look negative.

now we are having a hero who in alcoholic n drugged haze physically forcing his wife (sorry dont wnt to use the R word until it is confirmed rape). so it becomes difficult t accept.

we shd see him as a truly flawed hero wtih real issues.

bt lets wait n watch! i hope cvs have good story line as a backup. otherwise recoveing from such negative criticism is difficult.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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i am very disappointed with CVS.
i had a doubt, did the incident happen r not? b'coz in the morning scene JM just think abt raja's words, that voice seems like before going unconscious stage raja may told that. i am sure abt this because that voice is different from the raja's voice shown in the epiosode(means whole conversation) JM is crying b'coz of his behavior. its my take. I dont want to conclude myself with the single episode.

P.S did u understand my point.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: lavanyajeevan

i am very disappointed with CVS.

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<div>i had a doubt, did the incident happen r not? b'coz in the morning scene JM just think abt raja's words, that voice seems like before going unconscious stage raja may told that. i am sure abt this because that voice is different from the raja's voice shown in the epiosode(means whole conversation) JM is crying b'coz of his behavior. its my take. I dont want to conclude myself with the single episode.

P.S did u understand my point.


Agree..I too noticed
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: leelaa9

Bahnni, marital rape is not a legal offence in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.
Don't know if exception is made for girls under what age in the other countries, but in India, girls under 15 years of age are exception and protected from the ambit.

By law, India does *not* yet recognize marital rape as a crime unless the wife is younger than 15 years old.
Every attempt to get marital rape considered in the category of rape keeps running into a clear demarcation line which makes non-marital rape a crime, but if the rape has been done by husband against his wife, then it's not considered rape.

So Raja saying that it's not rape if a husband consummates with the wife (regardless of her consent) is legally correct.

The basic law is totally in favour of the husband's right.
The husband has the right to consummate with his wife.
The wife does not have the right to refuse to consummate with the husband.
If the wife refuse to consummate, but the husband forces consummation, the law does not consider it rape.

In marital rape, regardless of the woman being willing or unwilling, it is considered the husband's right to have conventional consummation within the marriage, with the mitigation being that if she would not have objected, he would not have needed to force.

Even if they claim time-leap as excuse in this series, everything else in the story is according to today's times.
So their showing that she gets her husband arrested for something that is legally not a crime...
It's likely to mislead people into thinking there is actually such a law.
This is the one thing that even many developed countries took ages to finally get recognized as a legal offence.

The current legal situation's humiliation for women is that if the rape is done with sufficient caution to prevent any other injury to her, then she has no recourse.

JM only has the option of domestic violence law.
Raja can also claim persecution within the marriage by her refusal to consummate. And both can declare the other to be a liar on any number of matters. All that is fine points.
But that dratted promo had been having JM stand and say something which efforts have been on for, but she goes saying it like an existent law, and any number of people seeing it may assume that the act itself is legally a crime, rather than that everything on the periphery has to be used since the act itself is not a legal crime.

The problem here is that they are claiming that she'll be going after him for marital rape, which is not legally considered rape.

The wife actually does not have the option of punishing him for taking her against her will, attempted or otherwise.
It's an ongoing endeavour, but even developed countries took ages on this one.



thanks for explaining that beautifully Leela and enlightening us on the current legal status of marital rape in India 😊. Now I fail to understand how Madhu plans to take legal action against Raja for marital rape,since it isn't even considered a punishable offence??!! domestic violence...is that what the makers are going to be using as bait to get the law involved in JM's case? my issue is Raja's realisation or lack thereof about the graveness of what he has done...unless that's resolved,how can he be a hero?

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