Sultan...A Determined Son. - Page 5

Nice post Anu!

I shall try and overlook the things I didn't like in the episode, as I did skip those scenes hence my analysis on them will obviously be of less significance! Haha!

Ok! Madhu has been very disappointing! But then as you rightly pointed out, she has truly become the wife of RK! A selfish, self-centered individual! No wonder RK-BALA are a Jodi made in heaven! And well, I always used to wonder how a woman can overlook the humiliation of another in still wanting her to be with her son! But when Mohan Kundra's truth came out, it became self-evident, just what kind of woman Radha truly is! And therefore, am no longer intrigued by her selfish nature! She has suffered, hence wants someone else to suffer similarly! She perceives junoon to be love, just like Madhu! So both deserve all the illness that will befall them eventually!.

Radha, does not understand anything! If she truly understood Meera, she would have tried to help Meera overcome her predicament, by narrating the truth to her, and making her see sense, that she has found her son.

The only saving grace in this show is Sultan!( Many try to state that because he was a gangster, he is the baddie! When in essence the bad guy has always been there since the beginning and yet his mis-deeds are seen as arshiward! Him utilising his wife as if she is some sort of slave, and his dialogue of how, she ought to understand as it was for the betterment of the family, made me want to puke! What's next? Him selling her, when they eventually become bankrupt? For the betterment of the family? (Ohh puuuhhhleeezz) Khair, Madhu herself laid the bed of hell for her, so she ought to lie on it too!

As for the proposal, the mother(yuck) and daughter duo, have stumbled across, will be interesting to see, since Madhu didn't look disgusted by it! So clearly she had a hand on the matter too!. So will be interesting! Cant wait for Radha to break in pieces hahaha! And more importantly to see RK's face to drop when his lusty father's truth is unleashed! ROFL!

Sultan had a soft spot for Madhu pre her marriage! But post marriage, he hasn't even looked at her in that way, nor has any intention! His soul purpose is his mother, and Meera ought to be proud of her son, because he truly is a committed son! The way Sultan explained his pain to MB was so nice, but alas she doesn't understand him nor his mother's pain! Not that am too surprised, as Sultan has intelligently pointed out in the kitchen scene, Madhu no longer possesses a heart to be able to understand the pain of others! Khair, cant blame her, the influences are such!

PS!- Apologies for the long rant! Its been a while since I wrote a long post and since I watched the show itself😆😆😆

Originally posted by: alovi_21

Annu this is called forced romance which ppl are demanding which is not going with story so looking so fake n forced how ppl will feel , when other person is me myself type then how it will work , but ppl as shikayat why they are showing like this, oh they don't know his char was always like this only then why now problem, I have only problem perfect bahu n perfect wife ke chakkar main they are killing madhu char individuality, I love madhu char most but sadly my fav is got butcher from marriage drama ,for which I started watching the show, let see kkab tak dekhna padega

The show's doom started the moment leads are married, as the marriage was not justified properly and now there is no story since they seem to be happy with their marriage. The romance looks so forced and boring, i really cant believe i rooted for them pre unwedding drama. I wish those days were back but alas it doesnt seem that those days would be back.

Originally posted by: Opti

Hi Opti, I will never say that I understand Sultan the best but whatever i do of him , i like.

TM, since you seem to have such a great understanding of Sultan who only baffles me with his actions every day, can you please explain to me why did he barge into RK Mansion? Is it to win the title of MK's wife for Meera, when the guy's picture and name was clearly disturbing even to her?

What does Sultan want? Hmmm, good question. As far as i see, Sultan wants "Kundra's" last name for himself and his mom. Since he is accused illegitimate and that in turn means his mom has born a child out of wedlock. Yes the guy's picture is disturbing his mom, but that doesnt mean he should back off from proving it to the so called Kundra's that Meera is indeed his wife isnt it? Why should he back off? Yes his mom is unwell that makes it even more reasonable to prove it as ppl have accused her and him of something that she cant defend and he has to do it for her. I think the writers have shown that time and again but may be u missed it. He barged into RK mansion because he wants RK mansion ppl to accept Meera as MKs wife. If he doesnt go there , how would they see who Meera is and what has happened to her? One can question Sultan if he barged into RK mansion the moment he got his mom home, but he didnt. He tried telling RK mansion ppl the truth, they didnt believe it. He tried to talk it out with the guy and he instead called him a liar and sent him to jail. What else can he do? How else would he show them Meera's condition and that he isnt lying?

Meera is pining for her son and not for her wayward husband. If he had kept her with him and allowed her to slowly become attached to his family, she could have recovered fully and be the loving mother to him and grandmother to his son. Aryan would have got the much needed female influence in his life. Sultan's motives, however, are not so noble. Although he keeps saying he wants justice for his mother and her identity back, he has gone about it in the wrong way. What was he hoping to achieve by forcefully making them stay in RK Mansion? He does not want her to know it is MK's house. He is apprehensive that she will see his picture or hear his name. So in effect he knows that she hates the man and does not want to do anything with him. So why thrust the guy on her and her on RK and the rest of the family?

Its just our assumption that Meera was ok with MK getting married to someone else, but from Radha's convo with Madhu, it seemed to me that MK continued to go to Meera and only when Radha asked him to break all the ties he went and did the dreadful. Even if its not the case, Meera was well until her son was with her, agreed. So Sultan tried his best to tell her that he is indeed her son, she is still trying to come to terms with it. Now thats a parallel thing he is doing along with getting her a rightful name. He doesnt want her to see MKs pic because she will not be able to bear the sight, but then again that doesnt mean he shouldnt show her to MKs family. As u mightve seen, only seeing Meera, Radha finally confessed the truth. He dint know how else to prove to ppl that he is telling the truth and there is a real human called Meera who was betrayed badly by MK. It depends on what u want to see. I can see how helpless he was and had to resort to taking his Mom to that haunted place as a last resort. There is no right or wrong way in this process. He did what he thought was the best. He tried talking , telling ppl the truth and it didnt work. Only force would work on those ppl, sply that Superstar. Afterall RK lives and believes on force isnt it? He is getting it back in his own terms.

As to getting back her identity, how was he planning to do that? And what is her identity? Wife of a scoundrel who is not alive anymore to accord the status of a wife in front of all? Isn't it more humiliating to have anything to do with a two timer? I think when MK ditched Meera, she could have sullied his image in public because he was a big producer but she did not, because she wanted to lead a life with her son. It is only after that son was taken from her that she went mad. Note that she did not go mad after MK ditched her. Motherhood was more important to her than being the wife of someone as unworthy as MK. By helping to restore that motherhood and now grandmotherhood, Sultan could have got back her identity. Instead, Sultan has spoilt for a fight with the man to whom he lost the woman he loves. So is his motive really sacred? I think not.

No, it isnt humiliating as I dont see Radha is humiliated knowing her husband's two timing, isnt she? She infact keeps his pic in her bedroom, even after she very well knew what all he did in his time. What do u want Meera to do? That she should let the world call her son illegitimate since she married a two timer? Well then even Radha can do that isnt it? But why is she not doing it? Why did she ask MK to break all ties with Meera instead? I guess u r questions would be answered if u see Radha carefully. Since Meera didnt go mad after MK dumped her, so that means she shouldnt fight for her right? Ah well , what can i say about the argument. If u think she shouldnt, thats ur belief. I think she has every right to fight and every right to be called Meera Mohan Kundra. She needs that name to clear off her image and her son's image in the world, otherwise it was RK the other day, it wouldbe someone else calling Sultan illegitimate and asking him for his last name. Well its so easy for u to say Sultan shouldnt fight for a last name, but for me that last name and his fight holds utmost importance. If it was RK in place of Sultan and if it was Sultan's dad who dumped RKs mom and moved on, would u advice the same to RK that he shouldnt go about fighting for it as his dad is a two timer? .

A gangster who was leading an undercover life till recently suddenly wants to be in the eye of the public by barging into a superstar's house and forcefully living there. If tomorrow his rival gang members kill him, would Meera not lose her son and his son not lose his father? Would that not have a very bad effect on the mother for whom he is fighting now?

Sultan knows he can be killed any moment. The way he treated his son before was also because of that very truth. He knows his mom might not recover any time soon and if he doesnt fight for her now, there would be no one to fight for her. So keeping aside all his issues(abt him being a target etc etc) he had to barge into the house as that was the last resort he thought he had. Now that he was asked to get more proof, he might start on that.

What was most surprising was that for a man who had so much trouble trusting a woman who saved his son's life and his own that he threw the milk she boiled lest she poison his son so much so that Madhu had to taste everything before she gave it to Aryan, he suddenly seems to even trust the cook in RK's house. Remember how he demanded that he makes kichhdi for his mom? Should he not worry that the guy out of loyalty to RK could poison the food as his master does not like Sultan? Does he trust RK's servants, and by extension RK, more than he trusted Madhu?

Yes, I agree, RK is very much capable of poising ppl 😆. Anyways, as per ur following lines, if RK is indeed such a big superstar would u think he would risk poisoning ppl who are staying in his house? when that person happens to be Sultan and his mom. Sultan was earlier worried abt poisoning when he was staying at chawl and when ppl were after him trying to kill him. I guess Sultan thought RKs house is better than chawl? 😆.Since we are speculating on a "what if", i would assume Sultan wouldve made someone taste the food before giving it to his mom or may be he indeed mightve tasted it.

What if RK acknowledges that Meera is the legitimate wife of his dead father? Would that not be flashed in the media, as RK is a big superstar? Would Meera then not come to know of it? Would she then be pleased considering how much she resents the man? How was he planning to handle that? Was he planning to give the title of MK's wife secretly with even her knowledge? What good would that do?

How would Meera know if RK accepts Meera to be his dad's first wife? Unless he allows her to be shown on TV which I dont think he would do. Anyways, we are questioning on future which I think writers are better off dealing with.

In short, I agree he is a determined son but has he any sense? At least from what they have shown so far, he doesn't appear to have any.

Well he might appear senseless to u and many others, but as per me he has lot of sense and is doing all he can do , as soon as possible, as he might not be there tomorrow to do it for his mom. I reiterate he is a determined and a very sensible son.

Originally posted by: chiknichameli07

Anu.. You are in BIG TROUBLE missy... Where were u all these days? I have literally dozed off from boriyattt plaguing this forum before.. Just read this post... Its effing HILARIOUS AND LEGIT.. Almost midnight here.. BUT "had" to comment.. kya likhti ho BOSS... Fan ho gayi main tohh.. Please share more gyyan on main forum REGULARLY.. If u go on writing like this, I can quit watching MEIEJ and just read YOUR written updates! Its too good! Will look forward for more..

Chikni

Thanks for an equally entertaining reply...😳. The admiration is mutual, I love ur posts and u dont know how hard i laugh reading them 😆

Originally posted by: mozart66

Lovely, BANG ON post Anu!!!

Well analyzsed!! Wonder how people can turn blind after seeing the stark difference! I have never understood Madhu's, Radha's blind love towards RK-the-great. And I do not understand blind hatred of blind pankhis of RK.

Many ppl dont want to see the difference writers are trying to show. Its crystal clear if only ppl could see.

Originally posted by: Nafs_Sweetheart

@Opti why are you impatient, just wait it's a matter of one episode only, you will know what Sultan wants for his mother today when he refuses the offer from Radhaji.

Well we now know why he rejected the proposal. Son comes up with a check and mom comes up with lets fly her abroad offer👎🏼.

Originally posted by: _innocent_

Nice post Anu!

I shall try and overlook the things I didn't like in the episode, as I did skip those scenes hence my analysis on them will obviously be of less significance! Haha!

Ok! Madhu has been very disappointing! But then as you rightly pointed out, she has truly become the wife of RK! A selfish, self-centered individual! No wonder RK-BALA are a Jodi made in heaven! And well, I always used to wonder how a woman can overlook the humiliation of another in still wanting her to be with her son! But when Mohan Kundra's truth came out, it became self-evident, just what kind of woman Radha truly is! And therefore, am no longer intrigued by her selfish nature! She has suffered, hence wants someone else to suffer similarly! She perceives junoon to be love, just like Madhu! So both deserve all the illness that will befall them eventually!.

Radha, does not understand anything! If she truly understood Meera, she would have tried to help Meera overcome her predicament, by narrating the truth to her, and making her see sense, that she has found her son.

The only saving grace in this show is Sultan!( Many try to state that because he was a gangster, he is the baddie! When in essence the bad guy has always been there since the beginning and yet his mis-deeds are seen as arshiward! Him utilising his wife as if she is some sort of slave, and his dialogue of how, she ought to understand as it was for the betterment of the family, made me want to puke! What's next? Him selling her, when they eventually become bankrupt? For the betterment of the family? (Ohh puuuhhhleeezz) Khair, Madhu herself laid the bed of hell for her, so she ought to lie on it too!

As for the proposal, the mother(yuck) and daughter duo, have stumbled across, will be interesting to see, since Madhu didn't look disgusted by it! So clearly she had a hand on the matter too!. So will be interesting! Cant wait for Radha to break in pieces hahaha! And more importantly to see the GOD-GIVEN BEAST's face to drop when his lusty father's truth is unleashed! ROFL!

Sultan had a soft spot for Madhu pre her marriage! But post marriage, he hasn't even looked at her in that way, nor has any intention! His soul purpose is his mother, and Meera ought to be proud of her son, because he truly is a committed son! The way Sultan explained his pain to MB was so nice, but alas she doesn't understand him nor his mother's pain! Not that am too surprised, as Sultan has intelligently pointed out in the kitchen scene, Madhu no longer possesses a heart to be able to understand the pain of others! Khair, cant blame her, the influences are such!

PS!- Apologies for the long rant! Its been a while since I wrote a long post and since I watched the show itself😆😆😆

I love reading such long posts, no really. U should write more 👏😊. Agree with everything u said. Iam baffled as u were at RK's "wife's shouldnt have an issue getting used by husband as its for family" , and thats supposed to be "true love" 😆. Aah well...as per Radha, ya iam not surprised by her selfish nature anymore. Madhu has become a puppet in maa bete's hands and is just nodding her head away to whatever crap they come up with 👎🏼.

Nice post Anu, i have decided not to post in MB forum any more, but i'm doing it now 😳

Originally posted by: Anu-Reddy

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What does Sultan want? Hmmm, good question. As far as i see, Sultan wants "Kundra's" last name for himself and his mom. Since he is accused illegitimate and that in turn means his mom has born a child out of wedlock.

This is something I never understood. till he met Rashid, he was under the impression that he was Nazia's son. Since he remembers Rashid vaguely, he must have thought Rashid was his father. Then why did he remain silent when RK ridiculed him at the party? Should he not have defended his dead mother's honor saying that he did not bother attaching his father's name not because he does not know it or because their parent's relationship was illetigimate but because that useless father ditched him and his mom. Was his dead mother's reputation not important to him then?



Yes the guy's picture is disturbing his mom, but that doesnt mean he should back off from proving it to the so called Kundra's that Meera is indeed his wife isnt it? Why should he back off? Yes his mom is unwell that makes it even more reasonable to prove it as ppl have accused her and him of something that she cant defend and he has to do it for her. I think the writers have shown that time and again but may be u missed it. He barged into RK mansion because he wants RK mansion ppl to accept Meera as MKs wife. If he doesnt go there , how would they see who Meera is and what has happened to her? One can question Sultan if he barged into RK mansion the moment he got his mom home, but he didnt. He tried telling RK mansion ppl the truth, they didnt believe it. He tried to talk it out with the guy and he instead called him a liar and sent him to jail. What else can he do? How else would he show them Meera's condition and that he isnt lying?

Who are the people who have accused her? If they did not even know who Meera is and what became of her how can they accuse her? You seem to be contradicting yourself. Yes, he wants RK Mansion people to accept Meera as MK's wife but did he bother to find out what Meera wants? The woman detests the man and accuses him of stealing her baby.

Its just our assumption that Meera was ok with MK getting married to someone else, but from Radha's convo with Madhu, it seemed to me that MK continued to go to Meera and only when Radha asked him to break all the ties he went and did the dreadful.

From where did you get that impression? As per Rashid's story MK ditched Meera and married Radha and after Meera delivered her baby he handed it over to Rashid to be raised. This made Meera go mad. So where is the scope for MK to continue meeting Meera? You mean he was meeting her at the asylum? But then she wasn't in her senses then and even after 30 years is filled with hatred for the man. If MK had gone to meet her, she would hve torn him to pieces.



Even if its not the case, Meera was well until her son was with her, agreed. So Sultan tried his best to tell her that he is indeed her son, she is still trying to come to terms with it.


Yes, she is still trying to come to terms with this and Sultan selfishly plants her in RK Mansion when she is still not used to living outside the hospital. Should he first not wait to heal her an then find out what she wants instead of thrusting his views on her?



Now thats a parallel thing he is doing along with getting her a rightful name. He doesnt want her to see MKs pic because she will not be able to bear the sight, but then again that doesnt mean he shouldnt show her to MKs family.

So you want MK's family to see her but she shouldn't know who they are? What sort of a logic is that? Do you think if tomorrow RK and Radha make an announcement that Sultan and Meera are part of their family and the embodiments of MK's duplicity, the media will leave them alone? We are talking of a super star's family here. Would they not hound Meera to know more details? How was Sultan planning to handle that? Was he not risking Meera turning more insane with all the sudden attention?


As u mightve seen, only seeing Meera, Radha finally confessed the truth. He dint know how else to prove to ppl that he is telling the truth and there is a real human called Meera who was betrayed badly by MK. It depends on what u want to see. I can see how helpless he was and had to resort to taking his Mom to that haunted place as a last resort. There is no right or wrong way in this process. He did what he thought was the best. He tried talking , telling ppl the truth and it didnt work. Only force would work on those ppl, sply that Superstar. Afterall RK lives and believes on force isnt it? He is getting it back in his own terms.

My question is what is the hurry for telling the truth and being desperate to be proved right? Nobody was bothering him or his mother, calling them names. Could he not have waited till his mother healed? The guy was leading an undercover life with no social circle where he should fear for his reputation. The only reason which seems plausible for his senseless act is revenge. He wanted to get back at RK for the humiliation meted out to him in that party, a party he had gatecrashed into thanks to Madhu's pleadings. The woman has time and time again let him down and still he keeps coming after her. How can one miss the flames of anger and jealousy in his eyes seeing her getting intimate with her husband and wondering why Sultan was doing this to them. A self respecting man should just bang the door shut against the wishy washy Madhu.

No, it isnt humiliating as I dont see Radha is humiliated knowing her husband's two timing, isnt she? She infact keeps his pic in her bedroom, even after she very well knew what all he did in his time. What do u want Meera to do? That she should let the world call her son illegitimate since she married a two timer? Well then even Radha can do that isnt it? But why is she not doing it? Why did she ask MK to break all ties with Meera instead? I guess u r questions would be answered if u see Radha carefully. Since Meera didnt go mad after MK dumped her, so that means she shouldnt fight for her right?

I am not saying Meera should not fight for her rights. By all means she should have fought for it, that too when MK was alive. She didn't for reasons best known to her. Now that MK is dead, who is to confer her that rights? RK? He should call a press conference and say "Guess what, I just found out that my father was a two-timer and was responsible for this woman's mental state." And the media will take this story and quietly walk away without bothering Meera. If they did our sultan is there to break their mikes and cameras. As to her allowing the world to call her son illegitimate, does she even know her son exists? In short, what I am saying is at this point it is not in Meera's interest to be thrown in the eye of a storm. the priority is to get her well. Everything that follows after that should be as per her wish and not the wish of Sultan.



Ah well , what can i say about the argument. If u think she shouldnt, thats ur belief. I think she has every right to fight and every right to be called Meera Mohan Kundra. She needs that name to clear off her image and her son's image in the world, otherwise it was RK the other day, it wouldbe someone else calling Sultan illegitimate and asking him for his last name. Well its so easy for u to say Sultan shouldnt fight for a last name, but for me that last name and his fight holds utmost importance. If it was RK in place of Sultan and if it was Sultan's dad who dumped RKs mom and moved on, would u advice the same to RK that he shouldnt go about fighting for it as his dad is a two timer? .

RK called Sultan illegitimate when Sultan himself did not know he was. Remember at the time he was still under the belief that Rashid was his father? that is why the entire story surrounding Sultan in clunk and fails to evoke sympathy among many (going by the way the trps are nosediving). If MK was alive, I am all for bringing that coward down. Sultan and RK should have taken him down but that man is no longer alive.

Sultan knows he can be killed any moment. The way he treated his son before was also because of that very truth. He knows his mom might not recover any time soon and if he doesnt fight for her now, there would be no one to fight for her. So keeping aside all his issues(abt him being a target etc etc) he had to barge into the house as that was the last resort he thought he had. Now that he was asked to get more proof, he might start on that.

So he barges into a superstar's house and makes himself a sitting duck for his enemies to try their luck in killing him? So he was planning to hoist an insane woman on RK so that when he is gone RK is left taking care of her? Wow, that is a good revenge plan.

Yes, I agree, RK is very much capable of poising ppl 😆. Anyways, as per ur following lines, if RK is indeed such a big superstar would u think he would risk poisoning ppl who are staying in his house? when that person happens to be Sultan and his mom. Sultan was earlier worried abt poisoning when he was staying at chawl and when ppl were after him trying to kill him. I guess Sultan thought RKs house is better than chawl? 😆.Since we are speculating on a "what if", i would assume Sultan wouldve made someone taste the food before giving it to his mom or may be he indeed mightve tasted it.

A lot goes on in big households and poisoning is the least of them. And if RK manages to poison and kill Sultan, I think even Mumbai police may turn a blind eye because he is supposed to be the most wanted gangster. If Sultan had tasted poisoned food, he would have hastened his way down to hell and left his poor hapless mother in the hands of a pompous self centred character who cannot think beyond himself. Does he really want that?

How would Meera know if RK accepts Meera to be his dad's first wife? Unless he allows her to be shown on TV which I dont think he would do. Anyways, we are questioning on future which I think writers are better off dealing with.

Sultan was really thinking of striking a clandestine deal with RK where he will secretly ackowledge Meera as MK's first wife? What purpose would that serve because in your own words he wants the world to know that Meera is the legitimate wife of MK. As to whether RK wants Meera to be shown or not, the media is bound to barge into RK Mansion as they did at the time of his wedding. And why should RK try to shield her from shutter bugs. He doesnt want to do any favours to Sultan. So you see Sultan's plan to barge in is plain senseless with no thought to Meera's well being.

Well he might appear senseless to u and many others, but as per me he has lot of sense and is doing all he can do , as soon as possible, as he might not be there tomorrow to do it for his mom. I reiterate he is a determined and a very sensible son.

Good there are a few like you who find him sensible because the majority don't.

Originally posted by: Opti

Good there are a few like you who find him sensible because the majority don't.

Don't want to comment on anything else as Anu is explaining herself very well and this is her post so I am not going to hijack it😆 But your above statement is very generalizing. Just because you and your immediate circle of friends/family does not find him sensible, does not mean the majority doesn't. As you are very well aware, mostly people are against him BECAUSE he is seen as being a "haddi" between the most hot and happening couple. When contrasted with RK, Sultan comes off as a better human being, better son, better friend etc and that is what people do not like as RK is "HOT" and no one from this earth shall every surpass the god in hotness.

Anyway I must thank you for your sensible reply. I am utterly amazed. I am not used to seeing RK/Rishbala fans discuss with Sultan fans like normal sane human being. And yes I am making a completely general statement on ALL of RK fans based on my personal interactions with them :)