'What If' - Page 15

Originally posted by: scarlett1126

Let me declare that I am a Rishbala shipper. Am not going to hide my inclination under the guise of virtual social activism or intellectualism. 😊

I may not have understood clearly, forgive me, but my takeaway from this post is:

RK the abuser = Sultan deserves madhu

if abuse is involved, where's the connection between the two?? If RK is being portrayed as an abuser, please complain to the right regulatory authority. Drag the channel, PH to the papers, make them explain, create an awareness. That would help all those teenyboppers out there who may think that true love equals RK-Madhu. Oh yes, you cannot possible say, RK - the abuser, and compare SUltan to any authority.

This kind of discussion on this forum reaches a very small percentage of people, and only creates phangurl wars. yes, that is all this discussion has achieved, right? And please don't deny the phangurl bit, because all of us here are phangurls of either Sultan or RK.

I come to the forum very rarely. I read this post in the morning. And later I read about the shocking abuse of celebrity chef Nigella Lawson, by her husband at a restaurant.

That is called abuse...in real life. And since it is not a serial, the lady is not going to take revenge to teach her husband a lesson!! I was horrified because I am a great fan of Nigella's. Why would such an independent, famous celebrity put up with abuse?? These are not questions easily answered. i could talk about the characters...defend RK, etc etc, but am not doing it, because we are talking of serious abuse issues right?? And RK VS SUltan has been done to death in this post anyways.

So please don't use words like abuse randomly. We are talking about a television serial. Tomorrow, they may well change their characters completely depending on the exigencies of the PH, or the channel. All of us would come out looking like fools😆

Great post. You make some really interesting points. We're all fangirls to some extent lol. And I've yet to come across an unbiased forum member. I'm going to focus on the bold bit though. I'm going to refer to RK and Madhu because they're the relevant couple. But really any fictional couple or real couple can be used in their place.

I'm not saying this to you, but in general, because I think you've touched on a very important point. I love that you brought this up. That is often what people think when they encounter an abusive relationship in real life. It is good to focus on the victim. But by doing that the abuser becomes non-existent in this line of reasoning. In essence a person wipes away the part of the problem that is committing the violence. Person X is putting up with abuse. Person Y (who committed abuse) isn't even mentioned. By phrasing the abuse in such a way, not just in words, but in our minds and in society, we place too much emphasis on the victim and what he/she could've done to avoid it.

The goal is to prevent abuse by raising non-abusive people. By teaching all genders how to respect all genders. Not teaching your children how to duck and dodge. The victim is just a convenient target. Proper weight needs to be given to both people involved. There are those that see the current track and say, 'this is Madhu's choice. She is happy. She could leave if she wanted to". Why so much emphasis on her so-called receptive nature? She is not leaving and therefore that adds legitimacy to RK's love for her? RK is the one that is doing the abusing and yet the relationship is assessed from Madhu's response, completely forgetting that RK's actions are what is being questioned. That is why I disregard her response, her "happiness" as justification for this relationship, because that is only 1/2 of the picture. The other half includes objective assessment of RK's behaviour. Is it abusive or not?

Originally posted by: swati1975us

RK emotionally mind-f**ked Madhu, pretended to love her, ditched her at the alter, harassed her at her workplace, kidnapped her and forcibly imprisoned her at his home, handcuffed her to him and then pretended to kill himself if she didn't love him back.

Apparently, according to a large number of women on this forum, this is not abusive behaviour. Well you know - damn right it is! A normal woman would have hauled his ass to prison and taken him to the cleaners for all he's worth.

Originally posted by: ABBY_JERAN

n thats what i LUV in cvs they did shw RK genuine LUV for mb but KEPT RKs kameenapan INTACT...thats how it shud be when its RK...even in ring ceremony he let mb win coz mb was rk that night n he said rk never loses and he said mb will rule the relation the way sikki rules his relation to dipz...there also lies a Hidden Hint...THEY HVNT MADE RK a LUVSICK LALLU n KEPT HIS TRAITS of DOMINANCE...MKING THINGS the WAY he Wants it INTACT...YET luving mb...YES i AGREE with GAUTAM HEDGE when he Tweeted RKs LUV is Genuine this time BUT IS LUV the OnLY DRIVING force for long lasting relationshp...CVs will shw the Contrast again when sultan shifts to rk mansion...HOW SULBALA has it all which Rkbala CAN NEVR HV...

@bold: That is very insightful. I never even looked at it that way. A relationship on his terms.

Originally posted by: likarsh

And we are expected to forget all of that??? Ridiculous. I keep repeating this over and over again. The problem isn't that they showed all that. The problem is not following through.

Swati,

And to be clear about this. I still don't think they have forgotten what they've shown. I have no doubt that by October we will definitely once again see that RK's jackassery is not over, and it was dumb for Madhu to back to him, expecting that he's changed, that all is hunky dory.

Originally posted by: likarsh

Swati,

I agree, but I think the mediocrity happened with the old PH. The new PH I felt was able to technically execute much better than the old PH. UTV was still in charge when they made the one year leap. All the mental hospital stuff started with UTV, and the newer PH took over around mid October or so--bit before he gets back his 'memory' so to speak.

Originally posted by: likarsh

And to be clear about this. I still don't think they have forgotten what they've shown. I have no doubt that by October we will definitely once again see that RK's jackassery is not over, and it was dumb for Madhu to back to him, expecting that he's changed, that all is hunky dory.

The problem though, is that they will drag this. So what happens is that it will give the implication that perhaps all would've been hunky dory had it not been for the new Sultan development.

Just my take on things.

@bold: That is what annoys me. Can it not be something else? By giving multiple reasons for his anger they'd atleast be portraying the relationship accurately. And RKians could just conveniently overlook it. This just comes across as a cheap ploy to extend the plot until it practically wears thin. We know Sultan isn't the root of all problems. Could we not enter into a 3 month track wherein we learn that same lesson again?

All I see is the CVs trying to make their beloved Sultan try to win sympathy votes with his sad sad past. Sadly most viewers are not buying into the clunky manner in which the character and his past is being woven. If anything RK's character has been compromised time again to paint Sultan as white as snow. If the majority of the viewers still sympathise with RK and care two hoots about Sultan, the poor CVs cannot be faulted for that.

Originally posted by: Opti

All I see is the CVs trying to make their beloved Sultan try to win sympathy votes with his sad sad past. Sadly most viewers are not buying into the clunky manner in which the character and his past is being woven. If anything RK's character has been compromised time again to paint Sultan as white as snow. If the majority of the viewers still sympathise with RK and care two hoots about Sultan, the poor CVs cannot be faulted for that.