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Posted: 12 years ago
#21
India actually is quite open, more than open, to Gangster love stories. 😆

So it's not the Gangster part that's the main issue, it's that Sultan is not the male lead, and not the one who was on the show first. Hindi serials for the most part these days don't really try to develop the other love angle seriously. It's almost always a given that the female lead will eventually end up with the male lead in these love stories.

Some can't fathom the idea that male lead doesn't mean that he will definitely end up with the girl in the end.

I don't understand why in the world I should be rooting for RK and Madhu to finally end up together. I never did, especially not after the way he supposedly married her. He's done way too many things, the biggest of which is that he forced himself into a marriage with her by forcing, blackmailing, threatening, etc. I have no idea why I'm supposed to praise and root for Madhu's love which developed due to that disgusting act. No matter what happens, nothing will ever erase the fact that the very foundation of this "love" is downright appalling and infuriating.

And for some reason Madhu is characterless for what? What exactly? Even if she were giving signals to Sultan and she's also falling for Sultan, so? She's not really back with RK. She doesn't consider herself his wife. So whom exactly is she betraying? Possibly only Sultan, but he's aware of the situation, but maybe him if she's leading him on.

She's betraying RK? How is she betraying him any differently than this "lesson/revenge/whatever." You can't be okay with the this 'lesson' but not be okay with her proximity with Sultan. Either both are betrayals and characterless or neither are.

And so what if the lesson is a betrayal? I am a few episodes behind (as always), but it's not as if RK wasn't asking for it with his stalking and obsessiveness.

Is she betraying Radhaji? Frankly, I would say good. Madhu is too soft and allows herself to be affected and emotionally manipulated by Radhaji. Radhaji has no issues with RK's possessiveness, she just has an issue with RK's accusations against Madhu. Deepali nailed it that he is possessive and doesn't let Madhu have any space. Radhaji, what does she do? She doesn't try to speak up and protest against RK's possessive nature, but basically goes along with the notion that Madhu should adhere to RK's possessiveness. Her belief and defense of Madhu is that Madhu wouldn't cheat and betray RK by doing anything against RK's crazy possessive wishes. Radhaji's defense of Madhu isn't that RK's possessive behavior is wrong, but only that RK's accusations--and how he goes about those accusations--of Madhu betraying him are wrong.

So in short, so what even if Madhu were giving signals? Since she says her plan is to teach him a lesson and leave him, what's wrong with developing feelings for another man. If she wants to pave the way for her next relationship, more power to her.😆

The characterless charges just make me roll my eyes.

Edited by likarsh - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#22

Originally posted by: likarsh

India actually is quite open, more than open, to Gangster love stories. 😆


So it's not the Gangster part that's the main issue, it's that Sultan is not the male lead, not the one who was on the show first. Hindi serials for the most part these days don't really try to develop the other love story seriously. It's almost always a given that the female lead will eventually end up with the male lead in these love stories.

Some can't fathom the idea that the male lead doesn't mean that he will definitely end up with the girl in the end.

I don't understand why in the world I should be rooting for RK and Madhu to finally end up together. I never did, especially not after the way he supposedly married her. He's done way too many things, the biggest of which is that he forced himself into a marriage with her by forcing, blackmailing, threatening, etc. I have no idea why I'm supposed to praise and root for Madhu's love developed due to that disgusting act. No matter what happens, nothing will ever erase the fact that the very foundation of this "love" is downright appalling and infuriating.

And for some reason Madhu is characterless for what? What exactly? Even if she were giving signals to Sultan and she's also falling for Sultan, so? She's not really back with RK. She doesn't consider herself his wife. So whom exactly is she betraying? Possibly only Sultan, but he's aware of the situation, but maybe him if she's leading him on.

She's betraying RK? How is she betraying him any differently than this "lesson/revenge/whatever." You can't be okay with the this 'lesson' but not be okay with her proximity with Sultan. Either both are betrayals and character-less or neither are.

And so what if the lesson is a betrayal? I am a few episodes behind (as always), as if RK wasn't asking for it with his stalking and obsessiveness.

Is she betraying Radhaji? Frankly, I would say good. Madhu is too soft and allows herself to be affected and emotionally manipulated by Radhaji. Radhaji has no issues with RK's possessiveness, she just has an issue with RK's accusations against Madhu. Deepali nailed it that he is possessive and doesn't let Madhu have any space. Radhaji, what does she do? She doesn't try to speak up or accept that any of RK's behavior is wrong, but basically goes along with the notion that Madhu should adhere to RK's possessiveness. Her belief is that Madhu wouldn't cheat and betray RK by doing anything against RK's crazy possessive wishes.

The characterless charges just make me roll my eyes.

So in short, so what even if Madhu were giving signals? Since she says her plan is to teach him a lesson and leave him, what's wrong with developing feelings for another man. If she wants to pave the way for her next relationship, more power to her.😆



Thanks for your view. Just to clarify I am not making a point about gangster love stories..I am making a point about the status of women in Indian society mostly in India.

RK is allowed to flirt with Deepali anytime he pleases - but not Madhu - A man is allowed to do anything but still expects to be worshipped and he may still have inner feeling for his ex which is considered perfectly ok...! 🤢

On the other hand a woman has to stick to her husband (half infact!) no matter what he does and if she dares to befriend another man..all hell breaks loose! 😡

I totally agree with what you said - Either both are characterless or not!

Welcome this discussion!


Edited by coolgal49 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: coolgal49


Thanks. True...but it has to start somewhere! There are many people who fall into bad ways not by their own choices...No human being is born bad - We are a sum total of all of our life experiences both good and bad...

I hope there is a change in the attitude of the society at large - I know some crimes cannot be forgiven...but a person who has fallen into bad ways if that person is willing to come back to living a normal respectable life again - why not encourage it?

Fiction in any nation (s) shows the attitude of the society in that area in general...that is my belief - having lived in India and abroad.



Ohhh NO NO NO Nooo No way no no...errr did I mention NO>? The parasitic and/or symbiotic relationship between society and media does NOT exist AT ALL...not amongst Indians. Esp Indians in India!! They only learn stuff...in school and from parents and those programs or msgs that say..educational or moral sci...they don't pick up/imbibe anything from watching tv everyday!

What can I say rums..awesome post...give it a month or so and you'll be reduced to bad poetry like me but nothing will change here.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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i really like your post. Sultan might have soft feelings for her because of her helping nature or what ever but when did he ever act on his feelings he is always respect her and call her friend so why people think he is eying on other man's Biwi he is fully aware even before madhu explain her relation with RK that they are wife and husband he simply wants to help her since she helped him in the past so what is wrong with it a man and women can not help each other without relation and with out having an affair . It is surprising how young people think this way not just old people. mentality of Indian population in cretin issues ever change that is the fact
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: genger

i really like your post. Sultan might have soft feelings for her because of her helping nature or what ever but when did he ever act on his feelings he is always respect her and call her friend so why people think he is eying on other man's Biwi he is fully aware even before madhu explain her relation with RK that they are wife and husband he simply wants to help her since she helped him in the past so what is wrong with it a man and women can not help each other without relation and with out having an affair . It is surprising how young people think this way not just old people. mentality of Indian population in cretin issues ever change that is the fact



Agree with you completely! As for @bold LMAO!!!
Classic Freudian slip!!!...yup...some indian population..cretins issues!! 🤣
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Posted: 12 years ago
#26
R u trying to say that a woman's respect can be proven only if RK is destroyed? If Mqdhu doesnt love RK, fine , if she wants to break his heart that is also fine...but why should RK finish professionally? That is too much a price to pay for hurting Madhu.
Edited by elasingh - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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ijust know she is half wedded and after their breakup unwed drama drama when she meet Sultaan , RK has broken all relation so many time madhu said n RK said now they are not hubby wife , shadi jab leagal nahi hui to separation ke liye legal kya chahiye, even if he has started feeling for her not his fault, after car glass break scene, she clearly told she is not his wife n that time RK was ex-wife mode fully , so till holi madhu n Sultaan both know she is not RK wife any more, abe achanak RK ko biwi bolne ka shauk aya aur utha laya. now ppl are chillaying why they are behaving like good friend n even Sultaan feel for her after RK phone he backed off. before madhu came back they were already sharing friend relation to abhi kya problem hai .
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Great post.
Maybe in another 100 years India can take a baby step forward.
The uniqueness of this show was that it showed the strength of a woman's fight against abuse from obnoxious men.
It started with Padmini ji and her flight from an evil husband.I never understood when it turned into this pairing of MB with R.K. and now the obsession with pairing her off with Sultan.
IT is the story of MB and her life and how she deals with the trials that come her way.
The extreme reactions to anything that any one character does is beyond comprehension.
Having a man as a friend, or a character is a gangster,or a woman trying to gain her self-respect back and not forgiving the Superstar is not acceptable.
Yes you are right it is a "Regressive Society"
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Well I agree with your post. But i guess the issue is of the forums regressive thinking and am sorry to say but people are delusioned by fandoms and make such opinions just to put others fav down.

I was shocked when in some post it was written "madhu spends day with RK and nights with Sultan" now this came out as outburst as DD hater who was indirectly mocking her in the name of madhu. PREPOSTEROUS.

People who pose madhu to be cheap very well know that she is pure and treats Sultan as her friend. Also we havent yet seen Sultans feelings changing into love. May be later on they will but at this point its pure friendship from both the sides.

But unless the blinkers of fandom are removed they would go on bashing irrespective of whether its right or wrong.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I absolutely love you for this post and love the commentators even more for their replies! It's rare to come across such sensible posts on the forum. So thank you for your perspective

I agree, really like MAdhu's character so far. Instead of accepting her fate she's actually challenging it and fighting for her right. Why should women settle for any less, when they deserve so much better?! I love Madhu for this, and actually Padmini for seeking out a better life for herself.

From what I gather, Madhu obviously cares for Rk, otherwise why should she waste time in teaching a man like Rk a lesson? Anyway let her teach him a lesson and lets see where things go from there...
As for Sultan, well I just adore him. I think Madhu befriended Sultan because of his humility- he's not ashamed to rectify his mistakes. Gangster or not he's a true gentleman in my eyes no matter what others say...

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