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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: pennu

Sultan... I have no idea how many comments i made on defending him and his action.. not in DP but in MF also... Bcos i liked the character Sultan and i don't have any problem with him being a Gangster... I have seen so many movies with same plot and even in some soaps also... and a love story between a Gangster and a girl is nothing new to me... it always like... Girl will change the man to live an ordinary life.. and in that process they may find so many difficulties... which they will face being together... yeah things will be different if he will make the girl to join in his team... (and thats what happening in Rishbala as per the initial promos... RK forcing her to live his life of a star..) So far whatever they showed on Sultan is kind of Deja-vu to me... Even if Sultan was shown as a Police officer or as a another Superstar or any Business man things won't change for me... I will like him as a friend to Madhu.. but a Big NO for Sulbala...and it has nothing to do with his profession...



Pennu if you look at it that way, then there is nothing new or different about this show altogether. I have maintained this opinion since day one that MBEIEJ is not a different show in any sense.

- Rich Boy Meets Ordinary Girl
- They hate each other
- Typical nok jhok
- Gradually fall in love
- One of them betrays the other
- He/She realizes the other's importance on losing them
- Wants them back in their lives
- Marriage
- Saas-Bahu arguments
- Devrani-Jethani fights

Doesn't it sound like just another typical Indian Show? To me it does!

The only thing slightly unique about this show was the female lead's characterization but even that seems to have changed into just another Telly Bahu. If just flowers and a ring can make you vulnerable, be it temporarily, what's the difference left between her and other telly characters?
I for one never found anything unique in any of the characters in this show. Not even RK's who is the apparent lead. I've seen a ton of shows with rich bratty spoiled guys as leads. The only thing that varied was that he is a Superstar, but even that's not something new. Just labeling a certain character as "grey" does not make it grey. And sadly most people here do not even know what a grey character actually means and signifies. The CVs were very clever in this matter to use this word for their character because they know that "grey" is the word that sells in the industry these days, and people being the way they are wouldn't even bother looking into it's basic meaning in terms of characterization. And RK's character is all about dialogues. I know most people won't agree with me here, I'm not asking them to either because this is just my opinion and I won't force it on others, but if you take away those one-liners from his character, what more is left to it? Anything "interesting" at all? I don't think so. I find Padmini's character to be more interesting than his.
About Sultan, I find his character quite entertaining, only wish the CVs wouldn't have neglected it to accommodate RK-Madhu's revenge saga. So far there have been stories about Gangsters mostly in Indian movies but very less in Indian shows. Which is why I want Sultan to stay and his character to shine.
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Merry_Shwit

😆..
Only wish if this was an American show
I am tired of this first love nonsense..
how people can't move on
If not sultan ..plz can she be with anyonelse but RK.



Hahaha I know right? Even in real life people don't preach the "First Love" rule as much as thy do it here
Me too. I frankly don't care about Madhu abd RK anymore. They can go love in their La La Land. I just want a good storyline for Sultan without turning him negative because by showing him as negative, they can't show RK to be positive, if that's what the CVs are trying to do.
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: pennu

Sultan... I have no idea how many comments i made on defending him and his action.. not in DP but in MF also... Bcos i liked the character Sultan and i don't have any problem with him being a Gangster... I have seen so many movies with same plot and even in some soaps also... and a love story between a Gangster and a girl is nothing new to me... it always like... Girl will change the man to live an ordinary life.. and in that process they may find so many difficulties... which they will face being together... yeah things will be different if he will make the girl to join in his team... (and thats what happening in Rishbala as per the initial promos... RK forcing her to live his life of a star..) So far whatever they showed on Sultan is kind of Deja-vu to me... Even if Sultan was shown as a Police officer or as a another Superstar or any Business man things won't change for me... I will like him as a friend to Madhu.. but a Big NO for Sulbala...and it has nothing to do with his profession...


superb pennu...👏
i feel if Madhu leaves RK n goes wd Sultan even if he ws nt gangster or ws shown having ny other profession...this thing wont make her strong .and if cvs are really interested to show Madhu as winner then she should dump RK asap and in case Sultan proposes her she should reject him too..and whenever the love or marriage has to happen ..it should be from Madhu's side at her own wish and at her own time...!!
and even though i have enjoyed Sultan-Madhu scenes and i have no problem wd thr friendship but oppose thr marriage basically fr his dubious life and am also against Rishbala marriage as this will add another win to RK...as he is unbeatable ..eternal and projected to be worshipped lk god...!!
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: fia21



Pennu if you look at it that way, then there is nothing new or different about this show altogether. I have maintained this opinion since day one that MBEIEJ is not a different show in any sense.

- Rich Boy Meets Ordinary Girl
- They hate each other
- Typical nok jhok
- Gradually fall in love
- One of them betrays the other
- He/She realizes the other's importance on losing them
- Wants them back in their lives
- Marriage
- Saas-Bahu arguments
- Devrani-Jethani fights

Doesn't it sound like just another typical Indian Show? To me it does!

The only thing slightly unique about this show was the female lead's characterization but even that seems to have changed into just another Telly Bahu. If just flowers and a ring can make you vulnerable, be it temporarily, what's the difference left between her and other telly characters?
I for one never found anything unique in any of the characters in this show. Not even RK's who is the apparent lead. I've seen a ton of shows with rich bratty spoiled guys as leads. The only thing that varied was that he is a Superstar, but even that's not something new. Just labeling a certain character as "grey" does not make it grey. And sadly most people here do not even know what a grey character actually means and signifies. The CVs were very clever in this matter to use this word for their character because they know that "grey" is the word that sells in the industry these days, and people being the way they are wouldn't even bother looking into it's basic meaning in terms of characterization. And RK's character is all about dialogues. I know most people won't agree with me here, I'm not asking them to either because this is just my opinion and I won't force it on others, but if you take away those one-liners from his character, what more is left to it? Anything "interesting" at all? I don't think so. I find Padmini's character to be more interesting than his.
About Sultan, I find his character quite entertaining, only wish the CVs wouldn't have neglected it to accommodate RK-Madhu's revenge saga. So far there have been stories about Gangsters mostly in Indian movies but very less in Indian shows. Which is why I want Sultan to stay and his character to shine.

awesome analysis fia👏
but the way we want things is completely opposite the way they r actually shown...Sultan doesnt look connected to the story and looks lk two different shows r running together having same heroine...and when RK- Sultan meet looks lk we r getting special mahasangam episode of two shows ...and cvs have failed big tym wd the characterisation of most of the actors in the show..n thats the basic reason some of them r still missing or may have left the show...and also the equation is not balanced properly wd leads..one character is doing bak bak all d time , other one speaks on special occasions..n third one mostly mute mode.!!

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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: _MGArti_

Good Morning All

Pennu - This is for you👏
Wow!!! You have explained it so beautiful why you dont want sulbala togather and you havent made this opinoin bcoz he is gangster. As you know i am not in favour of any couple bcoz its my dream to see Madhu as strong determine girl but i am dreaming impossible to see😔


Thanks Arti...
I wish i would have enjoyed the show just being a Bala fan like Shahi.. but the fact is i can't enjoy any show without shipping any pair...

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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: fia21



Pennu if you look at it that way, then there is nothing new or different about this show altogether. I have maintained this opinion since day one that MBEIEJ is not a different show in any sense.

- Rich Boy Meets Ordinary Girl
- They hate each other
- Typical nok jhok
- Gradually fall in love
- One of them betrays the other
- He/She realizes the other's importance on losing them
- Wants them back in their lives
- Marriage
- Saas-Bahu arguments
- Devrani-Jethani fights

Doesn't it sound like just another typical Indian Show? To me it does!

The only thing slightly unique about this show was the female lead's characterization but even that seems to have changed into just another Telly Bahu. If just flowers and a ring can make you vulnerable, be it temporarily, what's the difference left between her and other telly characters?
I for one never found anything unique in any of the characters in this show. Not even RK's who is the apparent lead. I've seen a ton of shows with rich bratty spoiled guys as leads. The only thing that varied was that he is a Superstar, but even that's not something new. Just labeling a certain character as "grey" does not make it grey. And sadly most people here do not even know what a grey character actually means and signifies. The CVs were very clever in this matter to use this word for their character because they know that "grey" is the word that sells in the industry these days, and people being the way they are wouldn't even bother looking into it's basic meaning in terms of characterization. And RK's character is all about dialogues. I know most people won't agree with me here, I'm not asking them to either because this is just my opinion and I won't force it on others, but if you take away those one-liners from his character, what more is left to it? Anything "interesting" at all? I don't think so. I find Padmini's character to be more interesting than his.
About Sultan, I find his character quite entertaining, only wish the CVs wouldn't have neglected it to accommodate RK-Madhu's revenge saga. So far there have been stories about Gangsters mostly in Indian movies but very less in Indian shows. Which is why I want Sultan to stay and his character to shine.


Fia... Then in one way the other its same in all the Indian shows...

Rich Boy Meets Ordinary Girl
Yes I am seen it a lot.. but A superstar meeting a girl was unique to me... I thought now they will hate and them will fall in love... but i never saw any hero hating the Heroine to that extend that he will hell bend to insult her on public and to ruin her engagement... and trapping her in such a cruel way that she is forced to marry him... So there it was unique again to me... and i was eager to know how is ther love story gonna start...

Nok-jhok.. No show can sustain without some Knok Jhok... so I enjoyed it... but still it was unique since it didn't went for typical Dupatta flying-eyelocks and drip-fall...

Gradually fall in love.. Yes it was much expected... in most of teh show.. its like.. Hero-Heroine may marry each other without liking one another.. but the gradual fall in love will make them stay together and here it again turned to be unique with one of them was taking revenge by marrying another... And yes as a typical show.. I was expecting to see the the redemption and realization of teh Hero.. which not yet shown to me in a convincing manner.. may be they have some unique plan for that tooo...

A little bit of Saas-bahu and Dewrani-jetani fight is ok in every show... but here there wasn't any Saas-Bahu argument...it never lasted for more one or two epis... and Dewrani-jetani fight is for the Hero himself... even there also its making me feel unique...😆

Madhu's character was unique to me.. bcos of the way they showed her past even before her birth... the struggle she faced even to get born in this world... MAdhu was unique bcos she do things which she feel right without even considering how its gonna affect to her family and her loved ones... But for me there is no doubt that RK character was Unique and all new to me... I have never seen any such character in any of the soap so far...

As i said before I never disliked Sultan character but he don't find interesting tooo...
@red.. I have seen gangster stories in soaps... may be not complete Gangster but similar ones.. but never seen anything on Superstar star... (May be one...In Shanti serial which used to come on DD.. Shanti got married to a Filmstar and he was never shown as a superstar... and that serial wasn't a love story or BW story...)

I pointed out the Sultan part only bcos i saw so many were saying... Sulbala will make an epic love more that Rishabala... and was saying there is nothing unique in Rishbala but there is in Sulbala... which i totally disagree... But still i will say i find it unique and thats why i started to watch the show and still sticking to the show...

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Posted: 12 years ago
Ankita..
I don't want to see Rishbala wedding now bcos I Love to see them together.. and this wedding is not giving any positive vibes to me... And yes.. even I don't want to see RK getting Madhu so soon.. without much hardwork...

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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: ankita24

awesome analysis fia👏
but the way we want things is completely opposite the way they r actually shown...Sultan doesnt look connected to the story and looks lk two different shows r running together having same heroine...and when RK- Sultan meet looks lk we r getting special mahasangam episode of two shows ...and cvs have failed big tym wd the characterisation of most of the actors in the show..n thats the basic reason some of them r still missing or may have left the show...and also the equation is not balanced properly wd leads..one character is doing bak bak all d time , other one speaks on special occasions..n third one mostly mute mode.!!



Thanks Ankita.
That's exactly what I've been saying. The CVs have failed to balance the story. Sultan's character looked connected to the story when he entered, but nowadays, just like you said, it seems like we are watching 2 different shows altogether with one that has RK as the lead and one that has Sultan as the lead and Madhu hanging between them like a commercial. Instead of focusing completely on RK-Madhu's marital problems, the CVs should have equally utilized that time in exploring Sultan's character because it has immense potential if used properly. But ever since the day he entered, all he has been doing is listen to RK and Madhu whining about their marriage and unfortunately just like every other character, even Sultan is stuck in the god damn kitchen politics. I am really hoping that once IPL is over, the CVs work on balancing things out otherwise whatever little audience they have left will quit watching the show too.
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: pennu


Fia... Then in one way the other its same in all the Indian shows...

Rich Boy Meets Ordinary Girl
Yes I am seen it a lot.. but A superstar meeting a girl was unique to me... I thought now they will hate and them will fall in love... but i never saw any hero hating the Heroine to that extend that he will hell bend to insult her on public and to ruin her engagement... and trapping her in such a cruel way that she is forced to marry him... So there it was unique again to me... and i was eager to know how is ther love story gonna start...

Nok-jhok.. No show can sustain without some Knok Jhok... so I enjoyed it... but still it was unique since it didn't went for typical Dupatta flying-eyelocks and drip-fall...

Gradually fall in love.. Yes it was much expected... in most of teh show.. its like.. Hero-Heroine may marry each other without liking one another.. but the gradual fall in love will make them stay together and here it again turned to be unique with one of them was taking revenge by marrying another... And yes as a typical show.. I was expecting to see the the redemption and realization of teh Hero.. which not yet shown to me in a convincing manner.. may be they have some unique plan for that tooo...

A little bit of Saas-bahu and Dewrani-jetani fight is ok in every show... but here there wasn't any Saas-Bahu argument...it never lasted for more one or two epis... and Dewrani-jetani fight is for the Hero himself... even there also its making me feel unique...😆

Madhu's character was unique to me.. bcos of the way they showed her past even before her birth... the struggle she faced even to get born in this world... MAdhu was unique bcos she do things which she feel right without even considering how its gonna affect to her family and her loved ones... But for me there is no doubt that RK character was Unique and all new to me... I have never seen any such character in any of the soap so far...

As i said before I never disliked Sultan character but he don't find interesting tooo...
@red.. I have seen gangster stories in soaps... may be not complete Gangster but similar ones.. but never seen anything on Superstar star... (May be one...In Shanti serial which used to come on DD.. Shanti got married to a Filmstar and he was never shown as a superstar... and that serial wasn't a love story or BW story...)

I pointed out the Sultan part only bcos i saw so many were saying... Sulbala will make an epic love more that Rishabala... and was saying there is nothing unique in Rishbala but there is in Sulbala... which i totally disagree... But still i will say i find it unique and thats why i started to watch the show and still sticking to the show...



That was exactly my point Pennu that it's just like any other Indian show.

Lol you seem to find this show unique in every way 😆 . I love you for your optimism Pennu. But I am talking about the characterization here, not profession. Just being a Superstar doesn't differentiate RK's character from other bad boy characters. And there were mighty fine eye locks and trip and fall stuff in this show too 😛

Just as I said, only Madhu was the unique factor in this show but even she has been unable to meet my expectations. I would much rather prefer Deepali to be the lead now. Atleast she's not confused in the head. She pretty damn well knows what she wants in her life and nothing can deter her from it.

As I said, "very less" , I didn't say there wasn't a single show ever made on Gangsters. There was ne on Colors itself with Mishal Raheja as the lead (love that guy) but I don't think I should get into the details of it because it's against the rule and I really don't want to get a note here 😆

I don't know about others, but I have had too much overdose of RishBala and I want something different. And SulBala do make a good pair so I'm all for it 😉
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Posted: 12 years ago
Hey Girls!!!!!!!!! 😃
Lovely Discussion!! :-)

Hey FIa, Pennu, And any one else around. :-) I am with Fia on this BTW. :-)
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