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Posted: 12 years ago
#61

Originally posted by: teletubby

well krishna came as draupadi's brother...bhai too can defend as much as he wants platonically!!! par usse toh din raat madhu ke sapne aate hain!!!😳 n i guess here male intuition is sharper than female one!!madhu is clueless whil RK has sensed bhai's interst!!😆

on top of it...'agar meri biwi hoti' etc also doesnt exactly make a hubby very amenable to indian sanskar type shishtachaar!!😆
as fr bhai biwi ka shradd was more like a biwi-memory-eraser puja...lighter ke to darshan hi nahi huye phir!!



Platonically??? What has sultan done that is not platonic?! Yes I agree he is beginning to like madhu. But SO WHAT?? Yes as far as he knows she is married but there has been nothing that has gone even near the limit let alone beyond limit in terms of the maryadaa he keeps with madhu!! THAT is one of the reasons we love him so much btw!!

As for rk's senses or intuition. Watch just watch...he will hate the Aaryan's guts too not because he is sultan's son. With rk it isn't about the fact that another man likes madhu. Its about ANYONE liking madhu and getting even a lil bit of attention from her. If the neighbour's cat liked madhu, rk would kick it!

His wife died at least 6 years ago..Aaryan looks about six years ago. Honey most men wouldn't wait 6 months before remarrying especially if they had a baby to look after!!!

And I am glad lighter ke darshan nahi hue. He is moving on (is rk)? ! That is normal and as it should be. Obsessing over a dead wife isn't. Just as obsessing over a living BIWI isn't healthy!!!
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Posted: 12 years ago
#62

Originally posted by: Oh_No_Soaps



And Sultaan maaring dialouge that, "Auratoon par haath uthaya not in his duniya" I really cudn't digest it. Firstly when did he see RK haath uthaying on Madhu?😕. I think Sultan was referring to the scene where he stopped rk's car and pointedhis gun at rk and told rk to let go of madhu's wrist as he was hurting her. Yes THAT is called "haath uthaying"!! Not just slapping is haath uthaying! In this country the police would arrest a husband for physically restraining his wife. It is physical violence. I think it is also possible that Sultan assumes that rk hits madhu because he has seen the wrist twisting.

Yes thats what I am trying to say, He shouldn't just ASSUME things w/o knowing the fact. There's a HUGE difference b/w wrist twirling and beating somebody. I can say this to u with an example, How did Madhu react when he held her wrist forcefully? And how would u imagine Madhu would react if he beats her???😲 So yes there is a difference b/w both.

Moreover, RK twist her wrist...But Sultaan kidnapped her under gun point😕 didn't he???...( The reason might be noble ) But a wrong act doesn't count reason. Isn't forcing some-one by gun point is more of a crime than twisting wrist?


He was WRONG in doing ALL that. BUT HE WAS NOT WRONG IN DEFENDING MADHU. HE WAS CORRECT..HE DOES NOT ABUSE WOMAN SO HE TRIED TO STOP RK VERBALLY ABUSING AND HUMILIATING MADHU.
I may steal from shops, I may physically assault ppl and steal their purse. But if I don't hit old ladies on the head and steal their gold chains, then I AM NOT DOING WRONG IN STOPPING SOMEONE ELSE WHO IS HITTING OLD LADIES AND STEALING THEIR CHAINS
. And stopping someone else doing it DOESN'T make all my other crimes ok! Hope you get what I am trying to point out.

I get you dear, but i think it like this,For example - A murderer asking a thief not to do chori. Sultaan has KILLED people and done worse things. And women abuse, how can u say he never?? As i mentioned above what was the kidnapping then? Isn't it worse than verbal abuse?
I AM NOT TRYING TO JUSTIFY RK please note that ( even though i am RK fan ) , he's hell wrong and did damages which r irrepairable, I feel its Madhu who should have NOT TOLERATED crap in public.

PS: I hope nobody bashes me here, i presented my view in very pleasant manner😳
You sure did hon! Thx! 😊 Anyone bashing your comment would have me responding and most ppl don't like me responding!!
Aww ur soo sweet.Good to see at least healthy discussions can still happen in a forum like this😳

Edited by Niki_cool - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#63
I think it's natural to, when you see someone being ill-treated (be it between husband/wife, parents/kids or friends), speak up and let that person know that what he/she is doing is wrong. Especially when the other person is defenceless. And if it's someone that you care about that's being ill-treated then that's an even more serious matter! You stand up for them, protect them and don't let them get treated like shit.

Sultan did what any sensible person would do, what any good man would do.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Wow.. Awesome Post dear 😃

What a fitting explanation to bashers! 👏
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Posted: 12 years ago
#65

Originally posted by: Oh_No_Soaps

So is it an Indian value, sanskar, tradition, moral, ethic...call it what you will, not to defend an Indian woman if it is her husband who is abusing her?

Am asking genuinely - so many here saying that what rk did is understandable since what sultan did was VERY VERY wrong...defending madhu against her husband!!

Ummm wasn't Dhraupadi a married lady? Heck she had FIVE husbands! Didn't Krishna come to her aid when she was being humiliated? And YES her 5 husbands were indirectly responsible AS WELL for what dushaasan was doing. They should not have treated her like PROPERTY in a game of dice.

Why did Vishnu take avatar as Krishna..oh yes!! To play with the gopis so that tellywood and bollywood can make nice romantic scenes!! Gita Gyaan and Vishnu bhagwan taking avatar to SHOW PPL HOW TO LIVE. What VALUES to have , gaya bhaad mein.

Waise hona hi tha...arrey kaun Gita padhta hai har roz? We all take our instructions from daily TV soaps!! No no we don't...WE ALL KNOW ITS NOT REAL!! RIGHT??? OUR POV IS NOT INFLUENCED BY TV RIGHT?

Indian society in India has correct value in this regard? DO NOT defend a married woman from husband abuse. Its between husband and wife. Krishna...you are everywhere and know everything since you are God. So Im sure you have heard me. Next avatar dhyaan rahe!!!

ps..Those of you who might jump on the bandwagon of me bashing Indian values..NO I am not. I am questioning ONE, CURRENT and COMMON new value tradition of a lot of Indians. Have said nothing about Indian culture or tradition in general. So pls stick to topic if you post.


well the 7 vows of a Hindu marriage are that the husband and wife stand together in better or worse, and it is the husband's duty to protect the wife (which is the case here, where he is suppose to defend his woman)!
it would be nice if everyone read the Gita everyday, but most people dont, but everyone knows the vows of marriage, so its a personal decision to follow those vows, and those who dont will pay for it!
Its not JUST INDIAN society its human nature to jump to conclusions when they are all angered up, whether it be a man or a woman; you see it in every culture so its not exclusive to Indian society, I would just say that Indian society should follow the wedding vows they have taken or at least stand with what is right!!

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Escape.My.Love.

Don't even go on Krishnaa. He was a sick political manipulator who had turned brothers against brothers despite knowing everything which paandvas themselves didn't know! he is the reason why karna was humiliated so much in draupadi's husband conquest thing! krishnaa had provoked her to defend her brother despite her brother humiliating karnaa of being a chariot driver's son.krishnaa knew what was in Draupadi's heart and he still provoked her against karna for the sake of her brother.she wanted the love she deep down inside had for karna without her permission to be fulfilled from arjun as the image of arjun appealed her with all the battle scars on his forearms .She wished to get love from Arjun so that she forgets Karna but it never happened. Krishnaa knew Draupadi from childhood and KNEW what she felt.He is the one who knew everything and used it manipulation instead, having a ball instead of resolving matters righteously! sadly arjun was not able to give her the love she wanted the minute draupadi got shared between the 5 brothers , and her silent love for Karna without her permission remained. Krishnaa had provoked a brother against another brother to kill him in a battle despite knowing they are half brothers.Krishnaa knew Karna was a Pandva but just causeof Karna's loyalty had the best of him he didnt join their force!what did krishnaa do DESPITE arjun not wanting to hurt in the last battle between them? he provoked arjun telling him the only way to kill karna.in the end all the pandvas broke down in killing their only brother, since they did not know then but KRISHNAA DID. draupadi got heart broken and kunti broke down knowing her sons are killing each other and she feeling helpless! all because of MAHAAAN KRISHNAA who couldve easily resolved matters!!!!!!!!!

He would have been a better corrupted politician than sonia gandhi and sheila dixit if he was a politician as a human in present india. dont even start on the "ever good" krishnaa. where is the women respect when you fling around with more than 3000 of your girlfriends and make girls like Radha and Meera hopelessly in love with you , become psychos bhatkaaoing in jungles just for you. Don't even mention THAT CURSE IN THE NAME OF A GOD AND CURSE IN THE NAME OF A MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 😡


If you an atheist I respect your preference but don't do name calling specially on God or religion which millions of people follow and repsect😊

And now when you have already made Krishna politician let me correct u in someof the incidents that you mentioned above...Draupadi was not in love with Karana but she was in love with Arjuna which truth was known by Krishna and that is the reason he manipulated things in swayamwar of Draupadi...Krishna knew that if Karana has given chance before Arjuna for the same he will be successful so he tried to disqualify Karana from the race it self...From where you see its dirty game but from where I see it was trick to make lovers one...But everyone paid prize for the manipulation even if the intention was right...As you said Draupadi had to share her love with five pandavas.. Now coming to the war of brother vs brother...Krishna knew the fact of Karana being the eldest pandava but Karana & kunti too knew the fact but Kunti decided to keep that secret for her own reputation and Karana himself decided to be by side of his loyal friend Duryodhan...Who was Krishna to Pandavas??Just a guide and friend who knew the truth but how can he be responsible for the consequences when the Karana him self didn't reveal it😕
Mahabharat was not war of just a one rajgadi but it was a war of Dhram vs Adharm..😊

"Paap karna galat hai to paap sehna usse bhi bada paap hai" Bhishmapitamah, Karana and many even Arjun's Guru were on Adharma or wrong side so they did pay heavy prize for the same I m not denying the fact Krishna was not manipulator but he did paid for the same as well...Yadav kul which he belonged to got destroyed completely for the same reason

And coming to the Radha, Mira and Gopis...Radha was his first love..Eventhough he never turned back to her still he gave her position of equal to him in worship and that is why we call Radha-Krishna as pure form love..😳 Mira was devotee to Krishna and whenever one think of true devotee her name comes first😳 And regarding Gopis yes the correct number is sixteen thousands..he didn't marry to all of them but he gave shelter to all of them when their own kingdom refuse to accept them after kidnapping😃

Even after making correction I still refuse to accept comparison of Sultan to Krishna

If you want to comapre Krishna as politician then compare his with Indira Gandhi who true leader and great Politician atleast according to me..😳

PS: I m not saying this in reference to defense any fiction character neither I judge as one 😃
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Posted: 12 years ago
#67

Originally posted by: butterfly15..

I think you're in the wrong forum if you think you're going to get many logical responses.😆

This is the same forum where members thought it was ok for RK to force Madhu to go to his house and handcuff her to his bed, and that no-one should interfere in a husband-wife relationship no matter what.
RK could physically do something to Madhu, and people thought it was acceptable.
So I'm sure a little insulting is nothing to them, and no-one should interfere when a husband verbally abuses his wife.


It's hard to know what Indian Sanskar is termed as on this forum.
I'm with those that believe the right thing is to help someone who is in trouble, regardless of whether they are married or not.
Sanskar aside, it's a basic thing called humanity. How can anyone stand by and watch a women being insulted and hurt, and forcefully being taken away by her husband, and do absolutely nothing? Are people really that heartless that just because they think you shouldn't interfere in a husband and wife relationship, they wouldn't help a woman who is so obviously being hurt by her husband?
I'd like to believe that if ever I was in Madhu's position and by husband forcefully took me to his house, and insulted me time and time again, my family and friends would interfere and help me leave such a situation, and if they didn't or couldn't, I would happily take the help of a stranger.




I sooo agree with what you say. My topic has taken the tone it has because, from reading other posts, it became clear to be that many of the view were coming due to certain cultural influences. Pati parmeshar, first love is only love etc types (before someone starts bashing here about me bashing indian values!!) Absolutely the first sanskar is humanity!! Its being humane!

Ok am now going to wait for someone to post...where is sultan's humanity he makes women widows...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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A nice point you have brought up!!

I'm surprised when I hear things like Sultan was wrong to have interfered between a husband and wife. But what is wrong in showing a bit of humanity and standing up for someone... standing up for justice. Looks like turning a blind eye to someone else's injustice is what gets applauded.

It shouldn't matter whether the issue is between a husband and wife... if one person is inflicting injustice on the other, any person can stand up for the victim in the name of humanity... and its nice to see Sultan stand up for Madhu... but a pity that RK's mom or Bituji who are also supposed to be in favour of Madhu never stand up strongly against RK...
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Posted: 12 years ago
#69

Originally posted by: rajla



Kat...i could simply 🤗you for this




Loll 🤗
So...what do you think the next AT should be called? I thought it was so funny it was only after I had posted my topic and i was responding to someone who didn't know about krishna, that I realised...sultan..roadside romeo and I inadvertently used an example out of the life of the biggest "romeo" of them all!! 😆 . Chalo I couldn't be one of Krishna's gopis..but I sure do enjoy watching the roadside romeo!!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Oh_No_Soaps



Platonically??? What has sultan done that is not platonic?! Yes I agree he is beginning to like madhu. But SO WHAT?? Yes as far as he knows she is married but there has been nothing that has gone even near the limit let alone beyond limit in terms of the maryadaa he keeps with madhu!! THAT is one of the reasons we love him so much btw!!

As for rk's senses or intuition. Watch just watch...he will hate the Aaryan's guts too not because he is sultan's son. With rk it isn't about the fact that another man likes madhu. Its about ANYONE liking madhu and getting even a lil bit of attention from her. If the neighbour's cat liked madhu, rk would kick it!

His wife died at least 6 years ago..Aaryan looks about six years ago. Honey most men wouldn't wait 6 months before remarrying especially if they had a baby to look after!!!

And I am glad lighter ke darshan nahi hue. He is moving on (is rk)? ! That is normal and as it should be. Obsessing over a dead wife isn't. Just as obsessing over a living BIWI isn't healthy!!!



you're on a roll, Kat. awesome response. 👏

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