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Posted: 12 years ago
#51

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Posted: 12 years ago
#52

Originally posted by: Fariyal


"Jab main samajh jaunga toh tumhe bhi samjha dunga" This line from yesterday's episode pretty much sums up the person that RK is. He himself is at odds with who he is & how he's constructed. Sure he has issues, has many more demons than any averagely twisted person, is egotistical & obsessive beyond a doubt, but he is no Hannibal Lector nor is he some underworld Sultan. What he is, is a confused, tormented soul living in purgatory b/w the state of consciousness of his new found feelings & denial of the same.
A good shrink would undoubtedly iron out some issues & better still, a couple of hard slaps from mommy dearest might just do him a world of good but then what would happen to Madhubala - ek ishq ek Junoon?! Isn't this her story, her ishq ,her junoon?
IMO, if anyone needs treatment or help it's her. I mean, what possessed this girl to fall in love with a guy such as RK after all he'd put her through & if that weren't all, she is now sheltering a known criminal!! Not what you'd expect from a reasonably sensible girl with a half decent upbringing.
If RK is demented, sick or obsessive then so is she, they both are like moths drawn to a flame, knowing that the flame will consume them, yet unable to resist it.
But then I reckon, that precisely is what the story is about, the new guy strutting his stuff in tight sleeves is merely a diversion...eye candy for the masses😉

As for young women getting attracted to guys like him, isn't that just the lure of a good anti-hero?
(which sorta explains why there are so many more discussions on RK rather than on the character after whom the show is named😆) In RK, I see a paled out version of the dark, demonic Heathcliff from Wuthering Heights, who incidentally has been described as one of Literature's most romantic heroes of all times!😕 Go figure😆

i know im freaky but dont freak out but im freaked now aaahhh you mentioned heathcliff. my heathcliff. the lobh of my life . the face of an anti hero in the 150 years of literature. *sigh* as much as i love rk , heathcliff is BEYOND COMPARISON. haaaye mera heathcliff. Heathcliff is what you actually call Junoon. and about girls being attracted to anti heroes? well , hell yes. 😆😆 And yes he is , was and will always be the most passionate hero in the history of literature.
Edited by Escape.My.Love. - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#53

Originally posted by: Fariyal



As for young women getting attracted to guys like him, isn't that just the lure of a good anti-hero?
(which sorta explains why there are so many more discussions on RK rather than on the character after whom the show is named😆) In RK, I see a paled out version of the dark, demonic Heathcliff from Wuthering Heights, who incidentally has been described as one of Literature's most romantic heroes of all times!😕 Go figure😆


bang on.
Nowadays, in at least 20% of the books readby girls, the guy is a rude bad boy !!
Seriously I think RK is much better.
Not only in litterature, but also in American serials and movies, the anti Hero is the most welcomed.

And It's not the first time we're seeing an angry man who misbehave with people around him 🥱🥱

MB creatives don't do anything worse than others !
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Hi Mary,
I have been reading your posts on various forums for quite sometime now. But I never commented because you said it all so beautifully. But for once, I am compelled to comment because I disagree with your view on RK.

In my opinion, RK has got to be the best grey character I have seen on Indian television.

1. You can't expect him to have a good relationship with women. His mum married immediately after his father died. Any child at that time is not sane enough to understand that his mother married for him to be able to get a father. Furthermore, Radhaji never ever made it clear to RK. If she did, then probably RK would not have bottled up so much of hatred inside him. Also, after marrying Kuku Bhatia, she moved on & did not give him the attention he needed. Have you seen Radhaji ever going beyond "Rishu" to actually sit down, speak to him, try to understand him. No. His next experience was Dipali. She, too, moved on when Sikky became successful & married him. The worst thing she married Sikky. Both these women- Radhaji & Deepali sort of moved on from RK, yet stayed right next to him. How do you expect him to be normal, and to treat women normally? Our experiences often form our outlook towards life. I have not seen a single happy marriage in my life, that's why I tend to see marriage with a lot of skepticism & negativity.

2. This is the only point I completely agree with. But in the past few days with Sultan's entry, I can see that RK is slowly starting to realise what he feels towards Madhu. Hopefully, a day will come when he will actually accept Madhu and value her for the rest of his life. I can see it coming.

3. Abuse is not the right word to use here. He never abused Madhu. Just like Chakku stated, he always treated her like a princess. It's true he did play with her feelings, he did hurt her, but at the same time, he always made sure she was fine. He always played the game very fairly. Whenever she was injured, he made sure the doctor checked her, he made sure she took the medicine. He always protected her. He has ego, no doubt. I feel that he is a rather patriarchal person. I am not sure if that was the right word. But what I mean is that he strongly believes that the male is always superior to the female. There are so many instances in the serial that prove that. I don't want to get into that or else it will be a really long post.

4. You answered your own question. Yes, not every child becomes a villain out of such an experience, but at the same time, there are some who do. Also, RK is not a villain. He is more than grey, and I can't think of the right word here, but to explain it, he has a lot of qualities which would make it difficult for a normal person to live with him. (Madhu btw is not normal - i'll come to that later)

5. He is actually very complicated & his character has got to be the best written character on Indian TV. He has so many layers that its difficult to decipher him & put a single list of characterics/definitions that define him.

6. Yes, he is a drunkard. But so what? Drunk or not drunk, he is always in character. Furthermore, I feel that him turning to drinking makes sense. Being a star, he is loved by one and all, but before Madhu came along, he was quite lonely. And in the show he actually justified that by saying that drinking was a way for him to get from night to morning. With so many emotions bottled up, and no one to share it with, it's difficult to get sleep. That's why they say that money can't buy everything. With money, he bought a comfortable bed, but he couldn't buy sleep. Because for that you need inner peace which RK didn't have until he met Madhu.

7. The point about the servants..hmm.. sorry are you talking about another show? RK never mistreated his servants. And what's wrong with calling a servant, a servant? It's not like he screams at them all the time. Could you please cite an example from which you came to the conclusion that he mistreats servants?

8. RK really loves BittuG and him being rude to BittuG is just the way he shows love for other people. He clearly loves Madhu, but always ends up insulting her because he does not want to show his soft side. BittuG has been with him since the start, and he clearly loves him. The way he jokes around with him, scolds him and shares his feelings with him says it all. He is one & only confidant.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Take a bow! I applaud you for writing this, that too in a hostile forum 👏 There will probably be a lot of members out there that will turn their nose up at your post, simply because they are unable to differentiate between real and reel life. But I for one shall give total respect to your post 👍🏼

You've touched upon so many valid points and conveyed your thoughts beautifully. I don't think there is anything substantial left for me to add. But still what I will say is that this is one of the reasons why I have issues with Desi serials. Why the need to glorify such actions of the hero? By doing so they are doing society no favours.

And before anyone tries to shove the "it's just a show" theory down my throat - please don't. Becuase we all know that Television is a strong medium and its content can affect the viewer, especially if it's a young girl who will begin to believe that men like RK are appealing and actions like his are acceptable.

I was already shocked to read a lot of comments during the Holi epi where some members were justifying RK's behaviour because Madhu is his wife (although she isn't) AND they kept on harping on about Sultan being a gangster. The main point isn't about Sultan, or which fan group you belong to. People need to stop being so obsessive and ignorant. And yes, CVs have a lot of thinking to do.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Zinnia.TaaRey

Take a bow! I applaud you for writing this, that too in a hostile forum 👏 There will probably be a lot of members out there that will turn their nose up at your post, simply because they are unable to differentiate between real and reel life. But I for one shall give total respect to your post 👍🏼

You've touched upon so many valid points and conveyed your thoughts beautifully. I don't think there is anything substantial left for me to add. But still what I will say is that this is one of the reasons why I have issues with Desi serials. Why the need to glorify such actions of the hero? By doing so they are doing society no favours.

And before anyone tries to shove the "it's just a show" theory down my throat - please don't. Becuase we all know that Television is a strong medium and its content can affect the viewer, especially if it's a young girl who will begin to believe that men like RK are appealing and actions like his are acceptable.

I was already shocked to read a lot of comments during the Holi epi where some members were justifying RK's behaviour because Madhu is his wife (although she isn't) AND they kept on harping on about Sultan being a gangster. The main point isn't about Sultan, or which fan group you belong to. People need to stop being so obsessive and ignorant. And yes, CVs have a lot of thinking to do.


I have a few issues with what you said. With all respect,
I agree that desi shows have this tendency to glorify guys. Sorry if you were a fan of IPKKND, but I'll just cite an example from there. Despite Arnav's coldness, there was always hints towards what a great guy he was etc.
But if you look at MEIEJ, the CVs have never attempted to glorify RK's actions. At least, I do not think so. What they've glorified is how much of a larger-than-life character he is. But they've never tried to justify his wrongdoings, or show him as a 'mahaan insaan'. Instead, they've highlighted from Day 1 that RK is arrogant, he is not the best of people.

Secondly, I am not going to use the 'serial vs reality' argument, because i agree with you, serials do affect people.

Thirdly, I do not speak for others. But yes, Madhu is still his wife. Regarding RK's behaviour, I do not think it was right because clearly his actions were hurting Madhu, but given his character, it can be justified because that is the way RK is. He is not going to wake up 1 morning suddenly feeling apologetic. It has to be a gradual process. And the holi episodes further proved what I said. From being slightly forceful in the dance, he turned to becoming passionate, then tender. The transition of emotions were beautiful.

And lastly, whether you like RK or dislike him, it's purely your opinion and I do not want to question that. But I just want to say that we are all flawed. Some of our flaws are really obvious, while some we hide through a facade. RK is who he is and his flaws are so obvious, that's why many like to pick on him. We all probably hurt people but its just that RK does it on a much more grand, and elaborate scale. That's why he is larger than life, and honestly it's difficult really for a person like RK to exist.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: prc_fan1


I have a few issues with what you said. With all respect,
I agree that desi shows have this tendency to glorify guys. Sorry if you were a fan of IPKKND, but I'll just cite an example from there. Despite Arnav's coldness, there was always hints towards what a great guy he was etc.
But if you look at MEIEJ, the CVs have never attempted to glorify RK's actions. At least, I do not think so. What they've glorified is how much of a larger-than-life character he is. But they've never tried to justify his wrongdoings, or show him as a 'mahaan insaan'. Instead, they've highlighted from Day 1 that RK is arrogant, he is not the best of people.

Secondly, I am not going to use the 'serial vs reality' argument, because i agree with you, serials do affect people.

Thirdly, I do not speak for others. But yes, Madhu is still his wife. Regarding RK's behaviour, I do not think it was right because clearly his actions were hurting Madhu, but given his character, it can be justified because that is the way RK is. He is not going to wake up 1 morning suddenly feeling apologetic. It has to be a gradual process. And the holi episodes further proved what I said. From being slightly forceful in the dance, he turned to becoming passionate, then tender. The transition of emotions were beautiful.

And lastly, whether you like RK or dislike him, it's purely your opinion and I do not want to question that. But I just want to say that we are all flawed. Some of our flaws are really obvious, while some we hide through a facade. RK is who he is and his flaws are so obvious, that's why many like to pick on him. We all probably hurt people but its just that RK does it on a much more grand, and elaborate scale. That's why he is larger than life, and honestly it's difficult really for a person like RK to exist.



I would like to let you know, I was never a fan of IPK 😆 I've always had issues with characters such as Arnav and Maan...just recently I referred to Maan's character in a different thread. Never liked the way he would drag Geet around like a rag doll.

Anyhow, I appreciate your opinion and although you may not agree with me...that's perfectly fine. Your opinion carries the same weight as mine. We all have our own perception of things. So if you have issues with what I have said, no skin off my nose!

Sorry, I shall come back later and elaborate on other points. I've already spent too much time on IF so it is time for me to leave 😆
Edited by Zinnia.TaaRey - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Very very nice post!

I have been a silent reader for a while now...only recently have I started voicing out my views as I could not take it anymore!

I agree with your view of the characterization of RK!

I feel sad for him actually - He has huge trust issues and as you rightly said just because he has status and money he thinks he can behave as he likes with anyone he chooses!

I did make a comment on another post and I will repeat it here - He needs to lose Madhu forever as that will be a wake up for him...so far - any woman mother or ex-girlfriend have always been around him no matter how he behaved with them and I think he expected Madhu to be the same...and that is why he is going crazy...

He is yet to understand what LOVE is! He is driven more by his pride and ego than by his heart - and something BIG has to happen to change that...

My two cents worth as always!


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Posted: 12 years ago
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awesome post Look at his heights of ego
i todays precap he is comparing himself to God...
i really hate RK...becaz he is the meanest and selfish man on earth ...
and whats wrong with madhu ...why she is melting ...where is her self respect ...creatives giving a wrong message by showing madhu becoming weak and RK's ego getting stronger day by day...

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Edited by gk_09 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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At this moment I think even the CVs are wondering as to how far they have actually gone away from the so called redemption of RK - he just does not get it does he?

The last straw will be if he blackmails Madhu with Aryan - he will further fall down in her eyes! and he could be instrumental in Madhu marrying Sultan if such a thing will ever happen - cos we all saw her paagalpan today...and she herself said that she will go to any extent! So who knows! RK's constant blackmail may actually drive her to take this step eventually!

The only redemption for RK will be to stand back and allow Madhu to lead her life the way she wants! I cannot see anything he does from now on will actually make her forgive him...I mean as a woman, how can you forgive a man who has wronged you on so many levels? Being a woman - I honestly don't know...Maybe this show will attempt to answer that question!

Because if CVs do not get their act together - no matter how "hot" RK-Madhu chemistry is, the show will slowly lose popularity - because in today's world it is the story that drives the show not mere scenes and chemistry! And we have seen examples of this in the recent past!

So lets wait and watch!




Edited by coolgal49 - 12 years ago

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