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Posted: 12 years ago
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I dont know about meter where people measure action of any character when same thing happen to RK that time he was ficitional character and sometime logical can dissappear but when Madhu does same thing why that thing get their nerves, if RK has reasons for his act then why they raise question for Madhu's acts

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Posted: 12 years ago
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First of all, I want to praise you for posting such an amazing topic. And after that I'd get to my rants. Lol. So a huge round of applause for you for making a much needed sensible post 👏 . I'm glad to see that there actually some mature people out there who watch a show as a show without being prejudiced or going gaga over an actor's look. No matter how much they deny, that is the truth.

I had heard that this forum is chaotic and biased, but didn't believe it till I recently experienced so myself. This forum is the definition of hypocrisy. And indeed you are right. This is not a Madhubala - Ek Ishq Ek Junoon forum but an RK forum. There are certain fan groups and people here, or should I say bullies, who think that they own the forum or something and hence nobody else has a right to voice their opinion unless they approve of it. And some people really need to learn to take criticism positively. Even though it's the characters that are being criticized not them, they tend to take it personally.

Coming to your post, I agree with each and every point you mentioned. But I'll tell you one thing, what actually is known as a crime here on this forum is appreciating other characters besides RK. This is not a VM that we're watching where we can happily enjoy the face of just one person dancing to the background music. It's a freaking show and requires a proper cast to work, not just one or two characters.

I have come across some really good and mature people here who know how to present a valid argument by staying in the limits of basic ethics. And it was a wonderful experience to discuss the show with them. But some of the members here are so immature that unless they see the words "I love RK" engraved on a post, they would start fighting with you pointlessly. I mean seriously, grow up. I love RK. When he's right, I praise him and when he's wrong and boring me, I won't refrain from saying that too. Why should I not? I don't worship him like many people do here. I watch him only as a character and a character can have it's ups and downs over which we can criticize and discuss in a healthy way. Isn't that what an open forum is called?

No matter what you say, those who want to justify RK will justify him no matter what. The funny part is that they contradict their own statements and later on change them again just so they could somehow prove themselves right. It's not a competition going on. We are just discussing a SHOW. If you'll give them a realistic example to support your argument, they'd say "It's just a fiction show. Not reality" . And if you try it the other way around and try to support your argument saying that it's a fiction show, they'd then say "But this is not how it happens in reality" . Either way, they'd think of a way to bash you left, right and center for voicing your opinion if it doesn't match with theirs.

I admired RK a lot during the time he was apparently falling in love with Madhu and we saw drastic changes in him, which later turned out to be a pretense. So the way it is shown, all that improvement does not stay valid anymore right? Then why is it that every time this point is raised, people start fighting over it stating otherwise? There are better ways to deliver your opinions other than just fighting and mocking other people.

About Madhubala, to be honest she is the only female character in an Indian show that I have admired so much. Otherwise all I had come across in the past was abla nari bahus weeping over having added to much sugar in the kheer. For once an independent, brave and courageous woman is being shown in a show and if you support her, they tag you with the title of being a "feminist" . If admiring a female lead for her courageous attitude, humanity and bravery makes me a feminist than I am proud to receive that title. Atleast I am not spineless. The basic purpose of an Indian show is to "send a message" . More than half the population in India who watch these shows is not too educated, hence these hows are their only means of inspiration and learning. And most of these people are women. So is it wrong to support that? Their is a reason that Indian shows are mostly female oriented rather than male oriented.

Another thing I have come across is people saying that they like RK because he is "layered" . RK's character is not layered. The proper term for him is flawed. He is a flawed character. There is a difference between layered and flawed. I really feel like issuing dictionaries on this forum. If you give it a thought, he doesn't exactly have any proper layers to him. So far all we have seen is his egoistic side. I am not going to mention the soft side here because even if there was any, it turned out to be fake. That part of RK is yet to be shown. Layered would be the word I would use for Sultan's character. He's a ruthless gangster but also a strict yet caring Father. He has a dark side and a human side. He has his morals and is principled and sometimes he is impulsive. We are yet to see his loving side reveal which might happen during his flashback scenes with his wife. Anyway these are what layers are called. And I like both flawed and layered characters which is why I like both RK and Sultan. But is it wrong or forbidden to say that lately RK's character has turned monotonous and lost it's charm and that I am finding that missing charm in Sultan?

About Madhu tending to Sultan's wounds. Again I would say I am surprised to see how people call it a foolish thing to do. All I saw it was as a human helping another human in need. So what the hell is wrong in that? Again as I said, these characters are meant to send a message, whether the show is fiction or not. And for me Madhu is not sending any wrong messages out to the audiences through this act. It's just called being human. And if during this the viewers saw some potential chemistry between the "characters" Sultan and Madhubala then WHAT IS SO WRONG WITH THAT? Oh and another thing about those who are complaining why Madhu didn't go to the Police to tip them off about Sultan. I mean seriously are they watching a show for the first time? Do they want it to end in just 2 episodes? Indian soaps run for years which is why everything is prolonged. If Madhu barges into a Police Station right now, what the hell would be left to watch? Sultan will get caught, Madhu and RK will fight some more then make up after a few episodes and BAM show ka "The End" . Like seriously let the story unfold before going haywire just because one character got a little less screen space.

Apparently the makers of the show have started saying that this show is a story about RK and Madhubala's love (I have only heard this from people, not come across anything of this sort myself till now) , well what else do you expect them to say? Even they know there are some crazy fan groups out there who'd go insane and torture them with phone calls and e-mails if they don't do as they demand, or they'd quit watching, so naturally they have to do what works and sells in order to gain TRPs from that crowd. And so they have no option but to comply to their demands to receive some output. I have known people in this industry enough to understand how it works. Unfortunately at some point, a romance track is all that pleases the female audience so they eventually have to step down to the pressure. Majority of the audience is female so obviously the male lead would get more popularity because these people think with their hormones not brains. I am not saying it's bad to like a male lead. Hell I myself like some male leads A LOT. But that doesn't mean I start worshiping them blindly. I still believe this show is about Madhubala and RK may have a pivotal role in her journey, but this show will always be about Madhubala. If this show was about RK or RishBala only, then the name might have been something like RK - Ek Ishq Ek Junoon or RishBala - Ek Ishq Ek Junoon. But the name itself indicates who the main focus of the show is.

Be it Sultan or RK. I am up for enjoying both these characters because they are grey, and that's what I enjoy watching. But if there is anything I don't like about either of them, I won't hesitate to point that out. If in the future I don't like something about Sultan, and I am sure one such point will come, I will point that out, and if RK does something good and worthy of praises, I would gladly dedicate a post for him too because I am not biased or prejudiced. It all depends on the way a story proceeds. We can't always like the same thing.

I may have sounded harsh and rude but seems like that's the only language people understand on this forum. And as Preity Zinta so wisely said "You send out negative energy, you get negativity" . People really need to be patient and tolerant towards each other. It's surprising and sad to see that this forum is divided into so many groups. We are all here for the show named Madhubala, then why can't people talk as one instead of diving themselves in teams? Who cares if it's RK, or Madhu, or Sultan or RishBala or SulBala? They are all linked to one show so why can't everybody patiently and calmly listen to the views and opinions of others rather than mocking and insulting them?

I am sure some people are going to think of this comment of mine as a lecture on morality or say that I am issuing character certificates, they can do that as much as they want because frankly I don't care anymore. I am not here to give lectures on morality or to issue character certificates. I am merely just stating out the points I like or dislike in a certain character or a story which I think is what the purpose of this forum basically is. If only people knew how to respect others opinions without having to insult them.

I love the character RK and I am all for RishBala only and if only RK's proper redemption is shown. I don't want to see him saying "I want Madhu back" . I want to see him saying "I don't deserve Madhu" . Only then will RK be truly redeemed for me. Because only then he'd realize how much she loved him and what exactly he lost by betraying her like that. Till then I am even up for SulBala because I believe that given the chance, without being biased or anything, they definitely have the potential to create magic and deserve a chance. But as I always say, no matter who ends up with who in the end, whether it's RK and Madhu or Sultan and Madhu, either way, I will be perfectly happy as long as the show keeps me entertained.

P.S: To the Topic Maker and those reading this, sorry for such a long rant. I was bored and frustrated and just wanted to let it all out 😆 . Once again. Fantastic post ⭐️
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Pankas dear pankas we cant do any thing about this and awesome post
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Posted: 12 years ago
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i read this while at work wanted to comment then itself!!
amazing post hasini,, madhu's char has been consistent always but here people r upset becoz she isn't doing anything to RK now!!
madhu has been my fav and will be always!!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@Fia21

Fantastic comment! You said it all & thanks for info regarding actual layered characters. LOL, ,I wasn't aware of what actually a layered character means. I read so many posts here saying RK is layered etc etc, But was always confused from where is he layered when from the beginning till now all we know is his Ego Side ONLY. It's only in his unconscious state, when we see his side where he listens to his heart. Otherwise, What's so layered about his character? /

All Ego He has. I though CVS developed his character so well during the force marriage, But NO! It was all fake. They worked so hard on his character & in the end,, made it fake. So, someone tell me is his character really layered??? 😕 It's only flawed from what can I see.



I find Sultan & Madhubala's characters as the real layered characters. Don't know how right here I am, but Sultan actually has so many sides as you said.


As for Madhubala, ,the list goes on. She is consistent in her traits from the beginning. but she have so many layers.

She hates RK, still loves him. She is righteous, but only when she wants. During RK time, she went ahead even when there was danger. However, now her heart rules over her more & cares more for Aryaan. & for his sake, she isn't going to police also for her family sake.

She is caring, Sherni, sweet, romantic & the list goes on. So many shades she has. No wonder many still don't understand her character & her actions till now.

Like Her sympathy is taken as love & etc!!

Almost no one really understands her character well,,& when they don't understand her or don't relate to her! So instead of analyzing her character, all start to bash her! -_-

Edited by Cutieee1992 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Much needed post in the forum.All bash madhu because she ignore RK. For them RK is important whatever RK does has logic n whatever madhu does not have logic.All r free to express their view.But pls express the truth n not blindly support a character because that is played by ur favorite actor.

Completely agree with TM n her points.I will again says madhu's biological father is Ballu .But the man u brought madhu is Shamsher Mallik.A man who risked his life to save a pregnant women n her girl child.He protected that women n child .Raised them as his own family. Madhu who have seen this n grown up has inherited the qualities of Mallik.So only she helping aryan n his dad the gangster sultan on humanity.She very well know what she is doing n what consciousnesses she will face.But she is doing for the kid Aryan n for a gangster who has a heart n do not have ego .Love madhu for this .I don't find her character as mahan n her lecture as OTT.


One last question when she save RK by giving her blood , walked bare foot to madhir for RK a man who forced her to marry,hurted her mallik n made go near death,destroyed her sister career n publicly humiliated her family when she did this why so many did not all her foolish n mahan. When she is doing the same to gangster Sultan who according to me 1000 times better than RK in character wise many bash madhu.Yes Sultan his gangster but he respect all n have some good principle in life.He killed so mens who r after his life he frighted for his life .He came n apologized to madhu without any one saying u should apologize to Madhu when she came told because of his action she is suffering.He listened to madhu when she returned the amount n said i can't take the money earned from killing others he accepted the truth he did not humiliate her .In Spite knowing RK did this he safely dropped in home.He understood the fact RK unknowingly scolded his son .He did not form opinion .So Sultan according to me his Hero Wala Gangster .Who is a good human being.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Niki_cool

I don't know about other ppl, but for me Madhu should draw a line sersly...Compassion for others is good...Okay for the sake of a kid you help his father, nurse him... even though he's a gangster but okay still for the deepest part of Humanity...FINE...!!
But what irritated me most is when she was challenging him toh shoot her???😲 she was like SHOOT ME SHOOT ME...sersly??😲
What abt ur parents...ur mother ? don't u actually care about them? What if he would have shoot her actually..😲 Trying to reform somebody is good, but not at the sake of ur own or ur family's lives!!!

Well i knw VD is on leave, and its totally hard for the CVs to carry on ...but they should really take care that Madhu's character doesn't turn dumb!!
And criticizing Madhu, doesn't means her character is hated😉 RK ka chaaracter toh CVs ne spoil kar hi diya but now a least spare my madhu😔

PS: My POV , no offence intended to any fangrp😊
I am watching this show still now only for my swtheart DD...coz i knw she's giving her cent percent😊 But yaar CVs can at least show some sensible tracks and stop giving madhu this image...I don't mind Subala scenes..but not with this "Sudhar jao bhashan" thing!!!


@Red
Because somewhat madhu trusts sultan because sultan also did the same he gave his gun to madhu n asked her to shoot him if she feels any threat from him.Same way madhu did to make him beleive she will not do anything which will create problem for Aryan.These scenes r written to develop some trust between sultan n madhu.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@Red
Because somewhat madhu trusts sultan because sultan also did the same he gave his gun to madhu n asked her to shoot him if she feels any threat from him.Same way madhu did to make him beleive she will not do anything which will create problem for Aryan.These scenes r written to develop some trust between sultan n madhu.


I repect ur POV totally😊 But sorry I cudn't digest that scene...Sultaan doing that was fine coz he had to make madhu understand that he's not going to hurt her...and actually had no bad intentions...But madhu? she did it bcoz to make Sultaan trust her?😲 Wht if her plan wud hv backfired and he would hv actually shooted in anger..🤔 what abt her mother then who went through so much pain just to give her birth!!! how can she risk her life so easily??
I love Madhu's character coz she's Strong and NOT one of those usual daily soap female protagonist with hyper-active tear gland😆 But some things abt her irritates me too🤢

But then i rmbr what RS Sir said, "Madhu made mistakes and she'll continue doing that" I just wish these MISTAKES don't land her and her family in trouble...

Edited by Niki_cool - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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superb great post dear ... 😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@Red
Because somewhat madhu trusts sultan because sultan also did the same he gave his gun to madhu n asked her to shoot him if she feels any threat from him.Same way madhu did to make him beleive she will not do anything which will create problem for Aryan.These scenes r written to develop some trust between sultan n madhu.


I repect ur POV totally😊 But sorry I cudn't digest that scene...Sultaan doing that was fine coz he had to make madhu understand that he's not going to hurt her...and actually had no bad intentions...But madhu? she did it bcoz to make Sultaan trust her?😲 Wht if her plan wud hv backfired and he would hv actually shooted in anger..🤔 what abt her mother then who went through so much pain just to give her birth!!! how can she risk her life so easily??
I love Madhu's character coz she's Strong and NOT one of those usual daily soap female protagonist with hyper-active tear gland😆 But some things abt her irritates me too🤢

But then i rmbr what RS Sir said, "Madhu made mistakes and she'll continue doing that" I just wish these MISTAKES don't land her and her family in trouble...


Sutan did the same as madhu.. they want both the trust of each other..

when Sultan gave his gun to madhu.. his plane could have backfired too... na? ^^

and a female lead character in a daily indian show needs put herself in trouble.. otherwise the hero has nothing to do.. 😆

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