Episode 192 Discussion: 11th Feb 2013

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Episode 192 Discussion: 11th Feb 2013


Welcome to the Episode discussion thread which we call as Viewer's and Reader's Respite. That's very apt, don't you think ? 😉. And that proves our objective.

Objective behind the thread is
  1. It helps in keeping the forum clean without much litter. People just need to fall in a habit.
  2. We can have it like breathers at first followed by analysis.
  3. It also helps like-minded souls and pals bond and gel together to drop in their thoughts for themselves as breathers and for their friends as a peep into the episode and for others to post their reviews.
  4. And those from different time-zones, who do not get to watch the episode at this time of telecast (Indian 8:30 PM), without any worry to trace or keep track of all their buddy's posts, they can come here, read with leisure and later post their analysis after watching it from their Time zones.

For those who cannot watch can have the Live/Written Updates.
Today's LU from : Armu4eva
  • There are various other threads all over the forum. Please check out those as well. This is just one choice out of so many.
  • Readers are encouraged to post links of other members posts which had been "delightful read" towards analysis of episodic event/s or character analysis. It becomes an easy navigation in the myriad of posts and pages and can easily be overlooked.
  • The link to present day ED thread is always provided in the previous one discussed.Those who participated in previous thread can go to my posts and check the previous thread to get access to new link.
  • The link to Previous Episode thread if anyone wants to trace and post thoughts there. https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/madhubala-ek-ishq-ek-junoon/3429969/episode-191-discussion-9th-feb-2013

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Episode 192 Discussion - EOD Summary

RK leaves Madhu at her Chawl to complete his un-wedding.

Episode Events
Continuing on his un-wedding drama, elucidating his revenge plan for months to Madhu, RK drags a shattered Madhu to her chawl to complete his un-wedding drama. Unlike the bridegroom coming to wed his bride from her home amidst celebration, here RK returns his bride to her Mother @ the Chawl with further humiliation. He proclaims Madhu a chawl-wali junior artist's daughter who cannot be married to a superstar like him. He then reveals to everyone that no one goes scot-free from slapping him. He pulls the varmaala from Madhu's neck.

Episode - Rants, Respites and Reviews
Page 1 - Leela, Gurtiluv, dramacrazy12, Sub_Ram
Page 2 - surabi, bcbs_srk, pnars, Angeena, Supercool3, nehakariba, Charu
Page 3 - Soundarya
Page 4 - MarathiMulgi
Page 5 - Surabi, Charu, dramacrazy12, smilydear
Page 6 - ritzy09, anastasia21
Page 7 - MarathiMulgi, Kt25
Page 8 - Angeena, apolloartemis, zoya_naziya, anastasia21
Page 9 - sadumaneet
Page 12 - dramacrazy12, SD, hifzaa
Page 13 - kt25, Zorica, apolloartemis, SD
Page 14 - Savz_Uniqueblis, MarathiMulgi, SD, dramacrazy12, Gurtiluv, SD
Page 15 - Kt25
Page 16 - SD, Savz_Uniqueblis
Page 19 - Soundarya
Page 21 - Rashmi37
Page 22 - Soapbubble

Character Analysis of RK
dramacrazy12 - Page 2, 7, 8
surabi - Page 6, 7
AreYaar - Page 6
Angeena - Page 8, 9
Anastasia21 - Page 8, 9
pnars - Page 22

Character Analysis of Madhu
Supercool3 -Page 8, 10
Pnars - Page 9
MarathiMulgi - Page 10

Note on Disgust Emotion by SD on Page 23
It afflicts RK, who further inflicted it on Viewers and Madhu. While viewers, have been angry, brave and analyzing source and reasons for his affliction, Madhu has gone into a state of shock. This is a bad emotion and one should control it.

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Fact of the Day: The ED 191 thread has had 11865 views. Will not say largest because it had the unfair advantage of 2 days activity.

Note and Reminder to all

The thread is for Episode Discussion and emotional ranting or pleasure expressed at the drama you have seen in the episode. As an exception case of Sourabh Tewari's Tweet last Monday, which had directly affected our viewing of the subsequent episodes, when he forced us to have our thinking caps put on with his tweet in our mind, it had been okay to express ourselves emotionally with reactions OFF Episode material but feeding from our apprehensions at the TWEET message. That permissibility is now withdrawn from today onwards.

Logical analysis and discussion of everything is permissible against the backdrop of the episode vis-a-vis its current track/plotlines. Speculation has to be avoided. Please resist from that and keep the thread enjoyable. One time in passing is okay...but if you want to discuss the NEW IDEA unrelated to the Episode, then go to Media Articles, Videos and Future Track Discussion. Point is don't make it boring and cumbersome for others to navigate the thread to find the real stuff to read with regards to the drama that we have watched.

Link for Media Articles, Videos and Future Track Discussion

Give an Analysis of Character/Future Story logically. The writers usually support it through elements in the character and the story they have seen and that is where the conviction kicks in and it is pleasurable to read. If it is speculative thought, then please give it once and if it becomes enjoyable to discuss, kindly post a note to all that you are taking the discussion to the other thread to discuss it there.

You are welcome to bring in NEW THOUGHTS...For instance, Soundarya in the past two weeks shared two articles:
  • What are Superstars Like ?
  • How Ekta Kapoor manages to be a Film Producer and a TV Producer, what are her challenges and what is she expecting from her Audience.
Those articles helped us understand what are the possibilities for RK as a character and what to understand about Sourabh Tewari's tweet.

Usually, we are always about what we know from our side, but those articles showed us, what the other side thinks of us Audience. This is the same case of Sourabh Tewari. He is talking to his audience by himself, he is promoting his own show in direct capacity, personally without giving out his story in second person to other media channels like SBB/ABP/TV9/MetroMasti/TC etc . He is guaging our pulse without revealing his story, He is acting in his rights...so it is expected we too respond to him the way we feel.

Hoping, we all discipline ourselves now and start being logical and not too emotional...because regardless of ST asking us to be not emotional..some of us will be getting bored reading the never ending emotional rants. One week of DEEP MOURNING is ENOUGH even for real life. Rest everyone tries to deal with pain in silence. IMO, we have mourned enough now. Its now our choice whether we want to watch and enjoy the upcoming odious drama enacted with vengeance by MEIEJ Crew. Seems they are all united in purpose and set against us viewers.

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Awsm thread <3
Thnx for the update and analysis !!
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DVD's performances were superb.👏⭐️ The supporting cast was good.
The episode was as depressing as expected.😭


*This* is the story the CVs decided to give us with Valentine's Day coming up?😭

Couldn't they have presented this delightfully miserable track from this coming Saturday at least, and let us have this week to maintain the romance points for flashback purpose in the storyline at remote future points?😡

We could have missed out on most of this emotionally wretched ep (the production was excellent in every aspect).

And as regards symbolism, immensely relieved that only a few of the green glass bangles - a 'suhaag ki nishaani' that neither Madhu nor RK may know as such - broke, rather than the whole bunch.😊

Even more relieved that the varmala, chunri et al went flying through the air and yet avoided falling into the fire.😊

Was worried that one or the other would land in the fire, with the ominous symbolism that would carry. So very glad that didn't happen.😊

As to the scene beyond symbolism, the RK-Madhu scene did *not* need to be so damnably heartwrenchingly lengthy.😭

But the CVs resolve to milk this track for every bit of depression potential it has is promising to turn this into the most wretched week ever in MEIEJ viewing.😭

Madhu was formidably indomitable even in such a nightmarish situation, and whether RK were acting or not, he would not be able to leave her belief unbroken.

The emotional moments RK had not brought up in the 9th Feb. (Saturday) ep, he did in this ep, making a mockery of every private moment that Madhu had been privy to.

But we have *always* seen him be secretly watchful and aware of her.

What his words did do was imbue what had before seemed a cherishing reticence with instead - as of now - a sinister contextual tone.

What he did not mention was any scene she would not know about that would have added extra hurt to this scene.

He seemed to be aiming for just enough to break her without having to go one inch beyond that already abominably point.

He could have brought up the recent 'gazing at the moon' phonecall, and told Madhu that he never even got up from the bed, and just lay back and laughed at her for being stupid (which would have been a clear lie and an alarmbell to the viewers).

Or he could have said he went and looked at the moon and dreamt of his revenge (which would have fitted into the current scene regardless of whether he was pretending).

That was only one of many such scenes that were left unpresented.

At the chawl, he stuck to the aspects of their relationship that the chawl people knew about.

If Bittuji is playing loyal to the hilt - "my Chief right or wrong" -, then that may be why Bittuji *may* possibly not figure in the next few acts.

RK has always trusted him to be in the know and back him up regardless of whether he may disagree with his Chief's intentions professionally or personally.

So Bittuji may know whether it's an act or not, and may or may not have his own damnable part to play.

And we may anyway for dramatic impact get a scene of RK explaining to someone or the other why he tolerated being ranted at by Bittuji as well.

It would make for one more scene in this dismal marathon.

I never thought I would feel like wailing that if only this were a saas-bahu serial from day one.

If it were, I would now be not even a whit depressed and already relaxed and expectant for the track's happy sorting out. I'm not.😭

The weekend was ruined, and depending on how long into next week the CVs push off their assurances of 'sorting out', that accounts for most of this month.

TRP audiences - however traumatized they may be - are unlikely to find any of this actually unseen before.

They may make raging rants about the unforgivablity of RK's behaviour, but far *far* worse has been seen, digested and gotten over while watching any number of serials before.

This was the male lead doing this.

*Female* leads - fullfledged sati-savitris - have stood and *convincingly* mocked and humiliated their adoring husband and every doting family elder, and shamed everyone to what always seemed point of no return.

Male leads have played the faux face-heel-turn far less despicably, but even then it was always vicious.

And then the reveal would happen for the viewers benefit, and the TRP audience would switch to weeping with the unfortunate having to play such a pretence.

One time, one such heroic faux-heel almost got killed by one of the other good guys before a secret good-guy accomplice rushed there and unveiled the act to at least the almost-killer.

This sort of pretence track has a long history of almost getting to fatality for some innocent relative, and in some cases actually crossing that tragedy line.

Watching it the first time I ever did was traumatic for the several months of its duration.

After the 10th time, one gets used to it, and at some point after that, it's an emotional rollercoaster that elicits spontaneous reactions immediately but does not shatter as much as the first nine times of watching a trusted and loved character brazenly, viciously and condescendingly mock another beloved character's (and us viewers') trust.

This sort of track is the ultimate test of of gauging and proving depth of trust from the character being played for a fool.

But previous instances were most of them not even remotely naive husbands of varying shrewdness having to find it in them to trust a beloved wife who now appeared the clear and ruinous cause of all harm, after having his parents etc publicly shamed.

Here the track concept has been turned on its head.

The female lead mocking the male gender generally and her husband specifically offends TRP audience on a very different and equally deep level as the spectacle we are enduring of the male lead mocking the female gender generally and his wife specifically.

Madhu is still a naive young girl, though with exceptional stubbornness and while she may choose to turn a blind eye to what she does not wish to see, she has never ever failed to swiftly understand and act once she hones in on a situation.😊

The concern is whether tomorrow's ep or how many more eps are intended to be endured before she does hone in out of the shock and subsequent phases.

I admit to being immensely - and almost morbidly - curious to see just what reasoning the CVs plan to unveil to us for this catastrophic follow-up to weeks of tender adoring romance.

Because track history irregardless, the superlative performance and presentation has me hooked and miserable for this track for this and immediately upcoming eps.

Had either acting or intensity been a bit more shoddy, I for one would have much appreciated it instead of feeling heartwrenched like I haven't since the first track variation several years back.

Padmini's behaviour in the precap was very much in character, though I'm hopeful that Madhu will be shaken at least out of numbness to halt her mother's pleading on her behalf.

Padmini is heedless and unmindful of dignity or any other concern in fighting for her children. And being willing to grovel and plead takes a depth of love and courage as much as - perhaps more than - firing a gun.

Also, as much as RK has by now done *for* Padmini and Shamsher, she would not be able to promptly switch in her attitude to him.

Really doubt that Padmini's decision to finally remarry has suddenly reduced social and marital bounds in her opinion.

*And* she knows that her daughter loves RK, and considers herself indebted to him for her own conjugal happiness as well.

But had Balraj been less heinous a character, RK would have had a far more difficult time talking his saasuma into marrying Shamsher.

And by the way, really wondering whether RK intends to give some mocking reasoning why he felt it needful to go to so much trouble to get his wife's parents married when that did not ever occur to his wife and when he himself was simply intending to soon escort her to her maayka and dump her?

Or was the plan still happy exile with Madhu at that point?

I'm getting that awful "I don't want to know but can't bear not to know" feeling to see exactly what extent the CVs intend to take RK on the mental calisthenics in order to best defame himself validly or otherwise.

The CVs have dug themselves into an unpleasantly deep trench.

Now it remains to be seen whether they live up to their past trackrecord and give an outstanding result to this disastrously complicated-seeming mess.😊

They have assured us that the lead couple's love was never a lie, and that all will be sorted in two weeks.😳😊

So, just holding on to those two basic points in the face of act after act that they are presenting to us in each consecutive ep.
And very grateful for the past viewing experience of saas-bahu serials which means that no twist is ever completely unthinkable.😕😊
Edited by leelaa9 - 12 years ago
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I'm sorry but who can watch today's episode and not think that RK is suffering from some strange mental disorder he needs to recover from. He took advantage of a naive righteous girl's sympathy. The way he narrated his revenge plan to her today that how circumstances played into his advantage and the way they showed flashbacks of him looking at her like his prey, I am convinced that he was planning revenge. The makers might change the story do to evoked public resentment but the one of the earlier names of the show was also Shikhar. How can someone be so inhumane not to melt after everything a girl has done for him?Even if he didn't fall in love his heart should have melted as a person. I am now surely convinced that this is revenge but if it is not that what majboori can possibly cause him to break her this hard. He wanted her to get a away from just tell her all this was revenge. Don't make fun of your intimate moments together! CVs also used the lack of chemistry in their hugs to justify there revenge plot I mean really? RK says this is real life not reel that he can fall in love with agirl like but I say I never meant someone so heartless in my real life thus far that they drop down to this extent. Rk stated Madhu is not worthy of him? Than who is? Dipali, who he did actually love? I didn't notice a hint of guilt in his gestures toward her today. Sry to say this man is insane.


Sorry Shri I needed to vent im sorry to spoil the mood on your thread I think its best if I take a break for a week or two and then if I regain my sanity I'll come back.


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Shree...
I have cribbed and cried for two days but honestly if this is the story they want to show then so it is. They have taken an immense risk ...I now want them to take it all the way and not weasel out by giving half baked reasoning for his actions. Let RK be unapologetic for his actions.
Do I think that this story will be in any way inferior to other?...no...it actually might be superior
Do I think this will be a tough sell? ...yes...will largely depend on the treatment.
In my opinion the CVs just turned the clocks back by 5 months. If RK's curiosity/fascination and Madhu's hate were to tie them together in this twisted tale then now it is thier history and awareness of each other that forms the same bond.
It does mean a resketch of RK's character compared to what we saw earlier. I am not sure if that is a discussion for this thread or other.
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Originally posted by: Gurtiluv

I'm sorry but who can watch today's episode and not thinks that RK is suffering from some strange mental disorder he needs to recover from. He took advantage of a naive righteous girl's sympathy. The way he narrated his revenge plan to her today that how circumstance played to his advantage and the way they showed flashbacks of him looking at her like his prey. I am convinced that he was planning revenge. The makers might change the story do to evoked public resentment but the one of the earlier names of the show was also Shikhar. How can someone be so inhumane not to melt after everything a girl has done for him? Even if he didn't fall in love his heart should have melted as a person. I am no convinced that this is revenge but if it is not that what cause can possibly cause him to break her this hard. He wanted her to get a away from just tell her all this was revenge. Don't make fun of your intimate moments together. CVs also used the lack of chemistry in their hugs to justify there revenge plot I mean really? RK says this is real life not reel that he can fall in love with a girl like but I say I never meant someone so heartless in my real life thus far that they drop down to this extent. Rk stated Madhu is not worthy of him? Than who is Dipali, who he did actually love? I didn't notice a hint of guilt in his gestures toward her today. Sry to say this man is insane.

Sorry Shri I needed to vent im sorry to spoil the mood on your thread I think its best if I take a break for a week or two and then if I regain my sanity come back.


I fully agree with you. No words to add anything now. Very depressing. RK hounded and pounded a hapless Madhu.
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The episode was so depressing. I wonder how the makers can justify RK after this !!!!!! what can make us not hate him for what he did to madhu ????? RK- why oh why ????? This is the only place in the forum where I can say this without being misunderstood... I am not watching the epi. I cannot watch such sadness. I just go over the WU and all your updates and analyses...
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Now we will have to wait and see what will be Madhu's game plan now. I don't think Madhu will give up her love so easily. Hopefully she will try to find out the real reason. RK just wait and watch what our Madhu can do.😊. Madhu has lot of people to back her up including all her fans😊.
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