Episode 169 Discussion: 14th Jan 2013 - Page 5

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Shri,

@red: I don't think its the case that RK also goes to the same temple for his dad's death anniversary. I think RK must have got to know his mother's whereabouts from Patil. The Radha-Patil conversation has to hold some meaning. I found it bit too prolonged and Patil questioning Radhaji a little unnatural. So, I am thinking all of it was shown just so that somebody would know where Radhaji has gone at such an early hour of the morning, when RK would be looking out for her desperately. However, I am relieved that their patch up will be taking place far away from the RK mansion without the evil Bhati'as around.


And that is the clunk. Reconciliation could have been achieved without the father's death anniversary as well.

Just to reiterate...

Plotlines and Story
Liked the dramatic content of the episode today, but much of it was predictable for the plotlines and required dynamic shift towards story development and may be partly to cover VD absence (8 more episodes to go until Ballu gets the chance to create hungama).

Over character development - Both husband and wife have shown lot of immaturity around the Test of Love induced by the SIL Dipali Bhatia. RK buys his SIL's gameplan and his Biwi today shows to him as if she felt belittled by her because RK tested at her prompting. And I am like Madhu...since when you developed that sense. 😲

But then I have a BIGGER MENTAL BLOCK to even SWALLOW that Madhu does not feel a tinge of anger/possessiveness/pride/self-esteem at what Dips does to her and her husband...since Dips introduction. Then what right she has to take her husband to a moral stand that he tested her as if all her self-esteem is lost that she failed.

I mean Madhu, when did you show that you have some pride left in you? You take the shit from Trishna, Dips but always give it back full to this man called RK. You say he insulted you so many times. Was it when you had hate marriage ? Or was it when you started accepting him as is ? or was it when he started supporting you ? or was it when you started loving him?

What prompts you to always be prodding him into doing something. [Now this plotline...is a lil bit getting boring to me...it reminds me of GB Shaw's "Man and Superman". It is the woman driven Lifeforce all along ! Its like Strindberg's "The Father", where the woman can manipulate any result with the drama or emotion she creates around her man. Atleast Shaw entertained me with his hero accepting what his woman does to him and how he has to surrender to her.]

The moment your mother gives you sanction to take the marriage forward, you went ahead and fell in love with him in full swing as in in your imagination, you asked him to love you back. How healthy is that ? How about just asking once..."RK's what's the current relationship between us ? You claim before everyone that I am your wife inspite of the 4 phera marriage. So can I truly go ahead and act as your wife ?" How about that logic? [Not unbelievable from a 22 yr old girl. She is already close to being a Post graduate 😆 ]But Nope! I cannot expect that else, how will the junoons come up ?


And Rishabh Kundra, you had it coming. Like an idiot, unable to control that Dips factor. What did I call you then ? Sexually undeveloped person..."The boy trapped in a Man's Body". [I have several posts, so I will not bore the readers with my links.]

My friend Peach called you "The boy is the father to the Man" albeit in much sympathetic manner.

Having made much of an ado of your parents had been your undoing...you had to go and talk to two women...your Dips and your Madhubala Rishabh Kundra...difference being one you made a rishta from your heart and other you made a rishta from head. Wish you had stuck to the rishta from head and never listened to your rishta from heart and all this testing would not have happened.

Well !!! You do deserve the lecture your Biwi gave you regarding your parents today for becoming the 12 year old Rishabh and asking for her love rather than just being the 29 year old RK and just maturely behaving and living a fruitful marriage.

Didn't I tell you Zoya, this Friday I think...that all in all these days, it was Rishabh who was executing the drama...that I stopped seeing RK. 😆 But then I always wanted Rishabh and RK to be slapped out of his failures. Not that I don't agree on Rishabh's hurts. I agree, but I wanted him to move on...I wanted him to grow up. I wanted the reconciliation between Rishabh and RK which was not allowing him to function properly. I wanted RK to be slapped for pampering the Rishabh inside him. So I was telling you all along, this is just fixing track...The past needs to be burned...

There ends my scolding ...So Madhu was the wiser as always...big picture when it comes to getting thru to her husband...she always says RK and she always chose RK over Rishabh...like when she said...its not my nature to cry and weep with you, just that I loved RK, so I played along with Rishabh.

Dammit!!! Why did the dialogue writer not add RK versus Rishabh in Madhu's dialogues today. It would have made perfect sense and foil to Rishabh-Dips drama with Madhu just addressing RK what an idiot that Rishabh is.

Poor RK...he is always sandwiched between what he wants and how Rishabh keeps rearing his immature head 😆

RISHBALA -Next phase of their relationship
Anyways...I rest my case here saying that...though Madhu's lecture for Rishabh Kundra the person that she got married to was good, but a lot of the things she said to him there was way OUT of LINE. Everything that she said can be answered back and I am just waiting for more to be revealed. Hope both the characters learn something else other than just loving ? I mean they always trusted the other person for what he or she is and can do...but now if they learn to trust themselves as a unit, and let no one play with their relationship, that shall be a treat to see. They need to respect each other as their partner from their vantage of a couple in love and not just respect each other outside their room. The symbolic nuisance of the pillows wall still makes them two islands. They can respect each other into not trespassing the limits even without those pillows. So far I see more distrust from Madhu's end regarding RK (Dhoka to nahin doge dialogue yaad rakhna sab) with regards to their marriage and hesitation from RK towards Madhu to honour the marriage because the way he married her has created a lot of shame and guilt in him, which he just covers up with his attitude.

So the next stage for them is to respect each other as their life partners and build their relationship with the love they have for each other. The very first respect for their marriage or love by either of them will be reflected if they handle Dips factor who had openly disrespected their marriage by repeatedly calling Aadha adhoora marriage, 2 kaudi ki madhubala, 4 pheron ki Biwi or 4 pheron ka pati. And this should be achieved before they even think of going for a saat phera marriage...because RESPECT from OTHERS comes when YOU HAVE SELF-RESPECT for your marriage or rishta whatever it is. And both the individuals never ever cared to show the respect to other in regard. Neither RK showed full respect to his marriage by not making a public display of the pillows wall nor Madhu showed Dipali the way out of her room. Her husband and his status was clearly at jeopardy and Madhu had no pangs...all this because, marriage with RK never mattered to her. So ENOUGH of LOVE and START SHOWING RESPECT to YOUR MARRIAGE.

That's another matter, if you want to dissolve it...! Dips is sure gonna be happy
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Zorica,

Nice poster on Page 5. That was the only line,"What should I do now?" I was thinking about for the whole day for either of them...and finally I penned down that they need to respect their relationship and not make a butt of ridicule at the hands of their enemies. They both have been immature.

Can you read my post on page 6 and tell me if you agree ? Remember the story construct I charted out on Friday...I precluded all of this drama when I put up the IV phase of their story as Loving and Respecting Each other.

I deliberately did not use the word Trust because they do trust each other, but they are unhappy like this today, hurt and broken because they did not respect what they had. Madhu is trying to fix him, heal him...okay good gesture, but why was she not making any effort to add respect to her marriage, the way her mother guided...step by step. If as a wife, she took advantage of her husbands's support for her to drive away Dips from his life, she would never have had let his husband fail her like this. For her to heal him, she did not have had to become target of Dipali, which her husband always was protecting her from...like being thrown away from the house, getting himself seduced or protecting the sanctity of their bed or trying to put an end to Dips poisoning Madhu's food. Madhu let all that go and even now she is worried about him and him testing her but not how they both have become a joke at the hands of Dips and that too continuously. She accuses him of distrusting her, but what about asking him once, how could he disrespect their marriage.

And Rishabh did already make that mistake by listening to Dips.
Edited by 0-SD-0 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#43
The episode left a deep impression.
Now comes the true love and all that goes with it. 💔❤️

I was also inspired by your comments! Thank you! ⭐️

Shri,
Lyrics of the song, which you put in here is beautiful! I enjoyed it!


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: 0-SD-0

Zorica,


Nice poster. That was the only line, "What should I do now?" I was thinking about for the whole day for either of them...and finally I penned down that they need to respect their relationship and not make a butt of ridicule at the hands of their enemies. They both have been immature.

Can you read my post on page 6 and tell me if you agree ? Remember the story construct I charted out on Friday...I precluded all of this drama when I put up the IV phase of their story as Loving and Respecting Each other.

I deliberately did not use the word Trust because they do trust each other, but they are unhappy like this today, hurt and broken because they did not respect what they had. Madhu is trying to fix him, heal him...okay good gesture, but why was she not making any effort to add respect to her marriage, the way her mother guided...step by step. If as a wife, she took advantage of her husbands's support for her to drive away Dips from his life, she would never have had let his husband fail her like this. For her to heal him, she did not have had to become target of Dipali, which her husband always was protecting her from...like being thrown away from the house, getting himself seduced or protecting the sanctity of their bed or trying to put an end to Dips poisoning Madhu's food. Madhu let all that go and even now she is worried about him and him testing her but not how they both have become a joke at the hands of Dips and that too continuously. She accuses him of distrusting her, but what about asking him once, how could he disrespect their marriage.

And Rishabh did already make that mistake by listening to Dips.



Shri,
With everything you wrote I completely agree. 👍🏼

I'll try to expose, how I see their love / relationship.
Let's compare their relationship to the growth and development of the child:
- They learned to walk / learn first steps
- Go to kindergarten,
- Now they got the first children's diseases

In other words, they need a lot of time to reach maturity!
Edited by zorica - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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What a power packed mind blowing episode it was today! I was left speechless after today's episode. The star of today's episode is undoubtedly DD who was fantastic in her portrayal of a heartbroken lover who was desperately trying to face the unexpected emotion of grief while confronting painful betrayal and sheer dejection. VD was very good as well but he looked worn out probably from shooting back to back to bank his episodes. If that is the case, DD should also be exhausted because all of his banked episodes involved her as well in addition to her shouldering the show while he was on vacation. They both are very professional and are definitely praiseworthy to work through this tough time in addition to adjusting to the show being aired 6 days a week.


How cunning of Dips to question him again just to make the words "test" come out of his mouth so Madhu can hear it first hand? That evil shameless woman! I am glad that it is out in the open that indeed he had tested her and the test was instigated by Dips. This way RK can put an end to this nonsense of Dips dictating him how and what he should be doing with his love and life. RK needs to completely deal with his demons from the past, his insecurities, his baseless fear and what better opportunity than this? Eventhough it was all meant to happen this way with fate and destiny having an upper hand, I couldn't stop but feel bad for these two. My heart was breaking for both Madhu and RK. They are two wounded souls who desperately need each other's love to comfort and care for each other.


DD's dialogues were brilliant today and everyone who complained that she hardly has any good ones should have been satisfied more than enough. She was utterly dejected and going crazy over not being able to comprehend the fact that the love of her life, the one person who she put above herself and her family would even think on those lines of testing her pure selfless love. She was experiencing that dagger called grief in her heart — and dealing with grief is a challenge like no other. It is going to be one hell of a task for her to pick up the pieces, heal the wounds and move on with the rest of her life. There will always be that underlying doubt if his love is for real just like she was questioning him if he is even capable of loving someone when all his life he had developed hatred instead of trust over the world for its betrayal which by the way was perceived by him as betrayal when that was truly not the case. She was recollecting all the beautiful moments that she had shared with RK only to be swept over by the avalanche of emotions that drained all of her energy making her slump to the floor. I actually wanted to reach out to her and give her a hug as she was emotionally broken, devastated and dejected by the turn of events. Towards the end she was recollecting her despicable wedding only to be pained more thinking that may be it was all part of his game to take revenge on her by marrying her and pretending to fall in love with her. We all know that is not the case but that is what the picture RK has painted with help from her mighty highness Dipali. I also loved the fact that Madhu was in no mood to listen to what he had to say and stopped him on his tracks and told him exactly what she had in her mind by asking him how dare he put her through this test that too for someone who has betrayed him and broken his trust. That was a million dollar question and isn't that what we were all wondering? She brought up his issues with trust and his baseless notion of everyone close to him (Dipali excluded of course) betraying him when in reality it was his perception that made him believe in hatred and betrayal as opposed to trusting them to know that they are people who love him and would not do anything to hurt him by betraying him. That holds true for MK and Radha but what I did not get is Madhu is voicing what Radha had told her. How can we just take Radha's words for it when we don't know what happened to MK in the first place and whether he committed suicide or was murdered? If her intention was to marry for Rishabh so he could have a father figure in his life then she could have married anyone, why Kukku? What was the reason behind her marrying a crook like Kukku? I hope the CVs have a track for MK and show us the actual reason behind his death.


Just like Madhu RK is also dealing with devastating, raw intense emotions of grief when she questioned his love for her which we all know is truly there but neither was he in a position to explain to her nor was she in a position to listen to him. It is evident from the fact that both Madhu and RK were completely unprepared for the feelings of confusion and disorganization following the events that have transpired.


Padmini and Malik scene was good where Padmini was concerned for her daughter and SIL while Malik was comforting her in such a sweet manner. So, Radha still does pooja on her husband's death anniversary? This is what I did not understand. If she had so much respect and love for MK then how could she marry somebody else and that too someone like Kukku? Was she that naive to marry a scum like Kukku? What pushed her to marry him? If it is for just Rishabh's sake then did she get him involved in her decision to marry another man? These unanswered questions are eating my brain away which I should be saving for my new job which seems to be draining all my energy I mean in a good way.


In the precap, we are shown RK going to the temple and calling Radha "Maa" and hugging her. That was an endearing scene but I just felt that the reconciliation was too soon without proper explanation from both parties involved. I know that the CVs are tying all the loose ends but I need more explanation from Radha as to why she did what she did and I want RK to tell her exactly how he felt when she saw her marry another man and tell her why he hates Kukku and Sikky. It might happen tomorrow but I just feel it is rushed and it is too soon.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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My emotions and thoughts for today.


Affirmation by Savage Garden.

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SD ...thank you😊...one of my all time favourites. Believe me, I used to listen to this like as if it was a life mantra.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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it was not his father's death anniversary but Mohan Kundra's birthday
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Shri,

If I may add something: I do not think Rishab was not able to appreciate what he has. From the moment he declared his love to Madhu, many things have changed. He did a lot for her, he is careful, he respect her, etc..

Remember the fear in his eyes at the beginning of the episode.
He was scared that he might lose her.
For me this was the strongest impression!

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Posted: 12 years ago
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To Zorica

Thanks as always for the very poignant and heart breaking poster today. Looking at it I remembered an old song. Don't remember all the lyrics correctly but it goes something like this

"Where do we go from here? What must we do to make that change? It's time to understand, Understand one another..." I forget the rest.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: zorica

Shri,

If I may add something: I do not think Rishab was not able to appreciate what he has. From the moment he declared his love to Madhu, many things have changed. He did a lot for her, he is careful, he respect her, etc..

Remember the fear in his eyes at the beginning of the episode.
He was scared that he might lose her.
For me this was the strongest impression!


That was love and regard. I am not saying he did not appreciate what he had. I am saying he did not respect what he had. Appreciation comes from heart when kindness or pleasure is felt. But respect goes from Head and later it gets ingrained in heart.

What about the respect for Madhu as a person, as his wife and not just his lover. He tested her love as a lover. If he was thinking as husband, respecting his marriage; would he have made a public display that their marriage as not consummated, or even allowed any other woman to talk about his wife? Some things need to be kept private between husband and wife...atleast when you both accept your marriage. When in hate marriage, he could not allow anyone to mistreat his spot girl cum wife other than him, just because she is his wife, when he could doll up her in good clothes, then why when marriage is accepted, a public display of pillows wall on the bed and allowing anyone to enter their quarters at any time.

If you think I am nit-picking, then you remove Dipali induced drama and show new drama. But if Dipali was instrumental in all of this, then she is the reason for them to accept themselves as married and yet unable to honour it in order for her to keep taking advantage of that fact. That is only reason that gives power to Dipali.

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