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Originally posted by: Foucaults-qalam
@ SD your post re Rashi and mum, whom I looked up btw, providing you with insights into RL vamps was extremely telling. That has changed my view of how to assimilate one dimensional portrayals of negative roles.
But perhaps the people troubling you were also looking at her as a role model? A sellf -fulfilling prophecy as it were!
I ask myself, where are those days now ? Where are those years of Super Woman
Why all these women looked natural and with whom we could relate to ?
Originally posted by: shridevigaddam
@ParheezGM (PGM),
Wish you gave us a name to know you by. Your choice. Need a lil personal touch there. You know affection leads to good memory for people like me, else my memory makes me forget everthing 😉 😆@PGM, Cari, SimiAwesome thoughts and examples taken. I agree each and every word of your presentation.Crying ParvatiSimi's example is the best one to tell us, how the creatives manipulate content for their own benefit. I am sure no middle-aged, aged, Indian traditions knowing woman will accept the crass that Parvati is crying like an ordinary all-glycerine soap heroine of today.Then Why ?? Why change something that is not historically or religiously true ? Why challenge that and what purpose it serves ?Why - because...the target audience here is not the Saas and Bahu of the house-hold. It would be boring for them to watch what we already know. Its the same reason I don't watch it. Ramanand Sagar killed me with his near shots -far shots, zooming shots, still shots, cheap sets when I was watching his Doordarshan "Ramayan" in 80's. It took a BR Chopra's Mahabharat to make me believe that Creatives can also be TRUE to Mythology, Religion, Traditons and Art. But not everyone can be a BR Chopra ! Sigh!!Coming back to target audience of Devon Ka Dev Mahadev - I am tempted to believe that target audience is the youngster audience. The choice of actors taken explains...they are liked by a lot of youngsters. May be they think, Gaurav can do what Gurmeet did for Ramayan-IIWhy change something that is not historically or religiously true ? Why challenge and what purpose it serves ?The target audience of youngsters does not know what is traditionally correct, what is religiously right. Because they have not gone through any texts in schools. When I was a teenager, I was able to discern the content of Ramayan and Mahabharat of Doordarshan days. How ? Because as a KV Student, I read Sankshipt Ramayan and Sankshipt Mahabharat in Class VI and VII per KV curriculum. The current Samajwadi, Janta party, Congress party, CPM led SECULAR Political philosophy has made sure that all such texts are now withdrawn from school curriculam. I have no fear in saying that Sonia Gandhi would go to any extent to remove all source of knowledge from the schools.This loop-hole gives such a wide field for the writers, producers, Channel wallahs to manipulate the content to their advantage. All the lead channels today ..STAR, ZEE, SONY, Colors, they are foremost MNC's who hardly care for the Indian psyche. All they have to think is about Profit. And sometimes, some influence to change the content also prevails.A patriot Indian when making the film by himself, may want to show flaws in society in hope of creating inspiration to become flawless, to fight. Like Shyam Benegal, Girish Karnad, Paranjape, Kundan Shah of yesteryears.A MNC driven- rootless and passion-less executive in contrast, what will he know about emotions, inspiration ? All he knows is Product, Positioning, Promotion, Selling, And Adaptations to cater to Product Life Cycle Curves.When Pepsi and Coke came in 90's and started the Cola war, and in process Campa got killed or Parle sanely sold itself out to the giant war, I vowed to myself, that I will never go for Pepsi or Coke. And till date I have stuck to it.It is the people...who need to rise up to see what they want to be inspired about and how they get educated. or simple what they want to see...Alas!! What kind of hope I expecting out of Indians...the laziest bums, the callous, the opportunity mongers, cheating the other by maintaining the ignorance...AUDIENCE -INCAPACITY -Challenge Number 1The social mileau, the political mileau is presently bent on keeping the YOUNG MIND IGNORANT. Until that is addressed, I cannot completely blame youngsters. Infact I feel for them. And one of the reason why I want to be still a critical viewer. I thrived on critical journalism and corrected my thought processes when I was growing up. Dissemination of information was channelized.Now in the Internet Age, there is no problem of dissemenation. It is assimilation of information that is a challenge. If a mentor in the form of teacher, a renowed journalist can guide you to a thought process, who is now there to guide you in the Internet Age.The Eco-Social Mileau, The Middle-Age Syndrome KILLS the living spirit of the MIDDLE-AGED Mind. This is completely a diseased situation, If there was no TV and its regressive soaps, I guess these Indian women would have taken to Depression Pills like the millions here in US.This is the age, of whom the Pharmaceutical companies and Media take advantage of from women in developed world and of whom Media companies take advantage in developing countries.A time, when there needs to be a healing by showing positivity around, the money-making corporates have instead decided to promote negativity so that they make more money. Soon out of this regressed atmosphere, I am sure the women who watch the idiot box may zone out beyond the CATHARTIC feeling and end up being LISTLESS to feel anything at all. It may soon follow that this audience will see depression pills making their way to the Indian Pharma stores.MONEY-SPONSORSHIP RULESOlden days, ART was patronized by Kings.Nowadays, ART is patronized by the MerchantThere's bound to be perceptual difference in the way the SPONSORSHIP happens and the ART pans itself out. A Merchant can never have the class, elan and nobleness of the King.
Originally posted by: shridevigaddam
Priyachand wrote...we can learn abt human behaviour by studying such chrs. but i have come across stories were ppl get influenced by such serials and start imagining insults from their in laws from these serials.
i don't know whether art reflects life or life imitates art. d discussion just goes on!FQ, Priyachand@boldThat we felt too many times. And we made the mistake of saying it on their faces ...saying do you just follow so and so soap and indulge in all this scheming.I am not sure if I can piece this together or not, but some vamps are pathological liars and errants. They live in their make believe world that they will be successful in their agenda. Like DeepLali of Madhubala. She just cannot stop herself and come to RK and call MB a stupid. I mean how can the fool not know both RK and MB are least interested in her and she cannot win against them. Yet RK fears her mind and wants to keep MB safe from her.Likewise, my SIL used to come out such as such a fool, driving us nuts, when she acted out in certain "happy-go-luckly" manner with all smiles in place only to increase our blood pressure.She was a pathological liar and was trying to weave a tale of abuse around her. It was such a clinical condition, we had to call her parents and tell this is what is happening. And soon one day she is gonna tear herself up or injure herself and plant any story on us.This was so like Rashi and Gopi Vahu ki saas. The way Kokila(was her name Kokila 😕) used to get irritated with Rashi's acting of good DIL, was exactly my mom underwent. It did spark off slapping abuse on Kokila and family by Rashi...so it happened to us.LIke Deeplali's schemes, even now we fear, what further drama they want with us. The matter is in court...so why not keep the piece and yet they hound us, not giving a moment's respite.Thing is we are able to close the loops like RK does with Deeplali, or Kokila does with Rashi, but the fear never goes away, because the vamps dog us.There was Afsar Bitiya until May that I watched over ZEE, there was no female vamp there...there was a villain there. But he did not seem pathological and clinical condition like Rashi and Dipali.😕Sorry this is off-topic, but then as a writer you may know how to make use of this information.
Originally posted by: undisclosed
i come to this discussion being a woman...of north american nationality and of latin american decent...not having much experience watching indian soaps...i am not sure if i can say if the role of woman in indian soaps is regressive if i have not watched many of them myself...i have watched 1 indian soap...and for the most part i read the WU's...however i can speak of a culture shock...my reaction is based on what i know and was raised on...for me many aspects of the female role in indian soaps may seem regressive...but that would be purely based on my notion of a woman of our times should be because of my cultural background...
Originally posted by: tvbug2011
@SG Loved your reference to serials in the 80s. How I loved Kachhi Dhoop and the chemistry betn Bhagyashree and AG, SRK and Renuka Shahane in Circus and of course Fauji.Rajani gave voice to the Indian housewife in those days. Interestingly, even though Udaan had a strong IPS female lead, it still managed to show great chemistry between her and Shekhar Kapur (still droooling...sighhh). And Kitu G's glam airhostess act was nevertheless from a position of strength. Trishna...Lizzie was perfectly rendered as dignified, intelligent, and a woman of backbone. No watering down of her character in this Indian adaptation.I ask myself, where are those days now ? Where are those years of Super Woman
Why all these women looked natural and with whom we could relate to ?
And why these have been so different from the present Soap Heroine.Why indeed? Dumbing down is a trend that actually spans media. Starting with the early 90s when audiences and therefore ad revenue fragmented with the influx of Cable & Satellite TV. Newspapers too lost audiences to TV. Newspaper articles grew shorter and simpler - they had to compete with TV for attention. The topics were also dumbed down, selected for popularity, and to appeal to the lowest common denominator. The excuse given was that advertisers ruled. This excuse conveniently allowed editorial integrity to be compromised - to the extent of influencing the themes, topics and slants picked. Ultimately, it was all about financial survival.Why should it be any different for TV? MTV beat Channel V at its game by Indianising its content to a greater extent than V. Then Star Plus followed suit with ever more Hindi serials. Came Ekta with initially strong female leads(Kahaani Ghar Ghar Ki and Kyunki) in naff OTT glam outfits, and kitchen politics, which lent itself to regressive characterisation. I stopped watching TV serials at that point, and missed out on the Ektafication of Hindi serials. But it's clear that by the time Ekta had ruled for a few years, the template for soap success had been set.More recently, I remember railing against the abuse of women by a woman in Colors' Na Aana is Des Laado, and again in Balika Vadhu. But those serials kept garnering eyeballs. The channel it seemed had very cleverly segmented its audience by regions, and tailored its serials to the specific audience segments. It had customised the serials to issues and concerns of the audience segments. But instead of wading in with empowered women leads, did the exact opposite. Eventually, disclaimer-of-abuse-against-women-ridden Na Aana had to be shut down. And Balika Vadhu with an empowered female lead now gets as good if not better trps today. Surely that if nothing else should be an object lesson to TV bosses that audiences do appreciate women's empowerment. It's just up to the TV serials to make that message palatable.Gosh this was a long post. I will retire peacefully now...the bed beckons 😊