LTL thread 3~repeated on Rishtey Finale WUS 309 ,310 p.102 - Page 16

Originally posted by: goody2shoes

Thank you for the update Hammie :) hello naila.. aye ge tum taqeer dena.. chuckle chuckle..! i was in your part of the world.. stroke on trent.. umm meaning up North

1) Kala: Are we finally seeing cracks in the otherwise super smooth snake that is Kala? ever since she returned to the house, all of her moves-whether they have gone her way or not, have been calculated with precision. And honestly she has been very cool about them. Whether it resulted in one of her victories or in partial failure, well that was until now. NOW, all of a sudden we see another side to her, she smashes the vase. Now maybe I am reading too much into it, but I found it quite telling that now, of all moments when it looks as though she has had the last laugh-so as to speak, when things are all being tied up into a neat bow and she is coming across as the champion, that suddenly now she has lost all patience. She is making terrible mistakes-which someday will cost her. Her first mistake is putting her trust in Suds, or rather over estimating the guy. In fact I think everyone over estimates him. He really is nothing but a mouse that squeaks, although Kala has very much by taking him as an ally aided her own motives. NOnetheless he isn't as important as he likes to believe he is. Pride before fall Suds, Pride before fall. Back to Kala, to me it looks like she is losing her charm-can I call it that? her evil streak perhaps? her calculative moves are not-well calculative anymore, if anything she reminds me of a school bully who attempts at making snide remarks or passes in hopes of destroying someone when in reality although at the time the bully feels victorious, in the grand scheme of things those 'small victories' that she is now so radiant about are in fact nothing.

kala i agree does sound like a play ground.. you can play and you can't.. suds is a turn coat.. a sychophant , knows where the winning side is.. a flatter , an opportunist.. certainly not loyal, misuses his status.. of SIL.. of course dutta with his blinkers on makes it easy for suds to scurry around..

could it be, that Kala is sensing her own defeat? Or is it that she is far too wound up in her own pride and arrogance that she hasn't realised yet that she is playing a game that has already been won. (By whom, I shall leave you to ponder that) either way I felt her loss of temper here as she smashed the vase, along with her very very telling 'Slap me if I'm wrong' quote screams impatience, and points quite clearly to someone who is on the verge of losing a game they themselves set up.

its naku's holy holy talk winds her up big time too. but what i love about kala is how easily she maintains her sense and sensibillity .. says every thing on the contrary with such panache..saying one thing and meaning one thing..

2) Tasha: Perhaps, Kala's preemptive celebrations or perhaps it is the indication that Dutta is melting, but as Kala in my eyes decreases in keeping her cool, Naku on the other hand is increasing. She is either learning the ropes or rather the rules of the game or either now that she knows who her enemy is she seems more focused. Albeit I still cannot understand why she feels the need to fight Kala secretly, I mean why? Just Why? you really are asking for trouble, but I am liking this-to quote Baji here 'Lioness' that we are getting to witness every so often

naku sounds un real! her biggest folly.. never gave dutta a chance to hear the truth about her colour.. condemned him.. before he could decide for himself.. it was no small matter.. she was his confidante??? nope i would find it very difficult to forgive too

As to Dutta...I'll leave it to that, his real test has arrived, how he handles this Suresh situation will ultimately reinstate what kind of person Dutta is. Tread wisely my friend, tread wisely, you of all people should know what betrayal is, so smell it out. Not everything is as it appears.

dutta .. when it comes to family.. never suspects. family is family. that's his problem..

3) Suresh-gate: I've decided to call it that.

I was planning on making a separate thread about my take on this particular storyline and how it draws parallels to something close to my heart (fiction wise) but in the end decided to just put it here.

Ok as you may (or may not) recall I started a thread here about falling for this show, as I felt it was miles apart from the usual nonsense on screen. At the time, I don't think I had quite realised why I had liked this show so much, nor even after getting into it and watching it regularly. But a couple of weeks ago, it suddenly hit me. Why did I like LTL so much. The reason being because it reminded me heck of a lot of another story. Or rather play, which till today is still hand's down my favourite penned by the original English Bard: Shakespeare.

I am talking about Othello... green eyed monster

Huh? Yes I know what you're all thinking, gimme a second, hear me out. I have my reasons.

Ok so firstly Othello. I don't know how many of you are familiar with it. Has anyone seen Omkara?
yes and loved it..now waiting for Haider.. adaptation of Hamlet... my fav.. tragedy.

it was the bollywood adaptation-I have not seen that-yet. But I'll have you know Othello in my eyes was probably Shakespeare's finest work. You can keep your Romeo and Juliette (which in my eyes was far too hyped-yes I didn't see the hooha behind it) and even Macbeth which I adore, (who cannot secretly love Lady Macbeth-possibly one of the best villainesses ever penned) but Othello hands down takes the cake.

Quick synopsis:

-Set against the backdrop of the Cypriot/Turk war, it follows the story of commander in chief: Othello. Ie the moor (he is black) who falls in love with the rich and fair Desedemona: Ie in street language she is out of his league.

- They plan to elope.

Awww cute hana? Nope. But wait, where is the shining star of this story? Alas I shall tell you, he is Othello's man and goes by the name of Iago.

Side point: Bear in mind how much of an impact Iago has. In all hoensty he is the key player. Everything and anything that befalls any of the other characters in the play; especially the namesake Othello is his doing. Yet the play is named Othello and not Iago. Perhaps another sneaky connotation which reinforces one of the key themes of the play "Not everything is at it seems"

back to the story;

- O loves D, D loves O they plan to elope. Except Iago goes ahead and informs O's in charge who happens to be D's father.

- point? Iago wants to destroy Othello, he cannot understand how a black man (note that racism was rife then) has been awarded a higher rank.

yes this bit fascinated me.. and if you read merchant of venice.. shaksepeare focus on the jewish sterotypes..

- But Baazi ulti ho jaati hain, instead O wins over his future father in law. They marry. Everything seems fabulous. Except Iago is only getting started.

- The play moves on, and (because I don't want to delve too much into the detail) it follows as such: Othello promoted Cassio as his second in command, which naturally burns Iago, who then formulates his calculated plan: how to bring down Othello? well he attacks his major weakness, which happens to be his colour and teams that up with his major strength which happens to be his wife. DO you see where I am going with this.

- By this point a few more characters join the plot. There is Bianca who Cassio is in love with, and Amelia who is Iago's wife and Desdemona's maid and finally Rodrigo who turns out to be a pawn in Iago's hands that ultimately results in Othello's downfall.

-Having realised R is in love with Desdemona, and that Cassio who he believes is his juniour so shouldnt have outranked him. Iago get's them both drunk and stages a fight, during which he kills Rodrigo but makes it look as though C did the act. The result being, C is stripped of his rank.

- Iago then set's about planting the seed of suspicion in Othello's mind as regards to Desdemona's faithfulness.

how? well long story short: Desdemona was gifted a handkerchief from Othello as his first gift to her (Yeah how cheap, Dump him desdemona, lol I'm just kidding) which Iago gets his wife to steal, he plants that handkerchief on Cassio, who in turn goes and gives it to his ladylove Bianca (yeah C is a cheapskate too, moral of the story buy your ladyloves decent presents...nah I'm just kidding)

- Ok so summary: the handkerchief is now in Bianca's possession which Iago makes sure Othello is now aware of. SO through Othello's eyes it looks as though Cassio and Desdemona have a thing going.

AND PAUSE

Let's get back to LTL now.

Here's my take:

Othello undoubtedly here is Dutta. Albeit, there has been an inversion of the colour stereotype between Dutta/Othello and Desdemona/Naku to begin with when Naku was Dusky. But the point we are in now in this show is that, like Othello, we have commander in chief, or rather a Don/Gangster who married a fair maiden; Naku.

Enter Cassio, Aka Baji, the young second in command that Dutta/Othello trusts, clearly on this show this relationship is much more developed and altered somewhat (minus the affair suspicions etc)

Iago is Kala without a doubt. The snake within the home, who carefully articulates everyone's move but more than that plants the seed of doubt. Interestingly even in the play Othello is brainwashed repeatedly by Iago, as quite clearly Dutta is here by his darling sister.

NOw there are obvious changes in this story, here the suspicion is in regard of someone who is an outsider ie Suresh, and although Baji too is stripped of his rank, with Suds getting promoted, all in all there are clear parallels.

Kala, has used a story and Naku's majboori, as a seed here while Iago uses the handkerchief. Nonetheless both have the same effect. Dutta/Othello is left wondering what is true and what is not.

Now according to our updates; Dutta is stuck there. SO I'm not going to comment more on that, but the rest of Othello plays out like this:

- O overhears C talking about Bianca, except he misses the name and assumes the talk is about D, this fuels his suspicions,

- armed with sweet words by Iago, he makes a decision; he decides to humiliate D, just as she humilated him by cheating on him.

[here again note the parallel; isn't Dutta humiliating Naku?]

how? well in the play, Othello strikes his wife in the front of the whole court, and treats her with little respect-which quite clearly raises a few eyebrows considering how in love they are supposed to be

Well remind me again but didn't Dutta do the same? Post discovering Naku's truth, we have seen him ignore her, sometimes even insult her, but as a direct comparison we saw him strike her in a room full of his men and guests.

- yet humiliation is just the start, while D unable to understand why O has had a change of heart continues to please her Lord husband

[again such a Nakusha trait]

- Othello decides to kill her. And he does. He suffocates her with a pillow, (But not before, in typical Shakespearian style he gives a long monologue.)

yes..its here dutta is far removed from dutta... because dutta never envisaged killing naku..

- However, just as his wife takes (or rather struggles to take) her last breath the truth is revealled. Amelia who is Desdemona's maid comes in to see her Mistress being suffocated. Naturally she creams for help, O tries to justify it by telling A that D cheated.

- Except A who had stolen the handkerchief puts two and two together and realises what happened and thus exposes her husband (You go girl)

- Iago kills Amelia (bechari) O manages to stab I, but not fatally he wants to know why I did this, except I doesn't say why. He never does. That is one of the beauties of this play, although throughout we get to hear his inner most thoughts we are never told what was the actual reason for his hatred. It cannot just be that he wasnted O's job. There is more to it but it isn't ever told.

- I is caught and charged with murder while O kills himself.

THE END

Ok, so that's how the tragedy befell Othello and Desdemona, but what of our beloved Nakusha and Dutta.

well.. for once dutta some how managed to get divine wisdom.. and as for us suresh was a bit of tell tale primed up kala's dweeb! his inclusion was only to narrow the gap between tasha.

Here, a strange man who seems to know a lot about Nakusha's past is insisting that Nakusha was with him first, that she betrayed him first, that she will betray Dutta too. And more than that he has proof, a photograph.

[OK side point; who else laughed at seeing that photoshopped image? OH dearie me]

anyway Dutta, who is already struggling with whether he believes Nakusha is faced with another conundrum. Such to the point that even when Baji jumps to do what Dutta would probably do himself and that is hit this strange guy claiming to be Naku's lover, when Baji steps up to do that, he is stopped.

dutta being dutta just acts like an overgrown school boy.. but all his well because naku's lecture about husband supporting their wife.. so before all he shuts the man!

I find is interesting that Dutta seems to take his time and listen to his enemies or those acting against him. As though he is giving them a chance. Remeber Anna? he actually spoke to him several times and then even during their confrontation he didn't jump the gun and decide to kill him with a single shot but heard him. HE does the same with Chaskar when he in introduced, and no doubt-he'll do the same with Kala. As though he is giving them all one last opportunity.

but he did listen to naku's lecture in his room.

yet when it comes to his best friend and wife, they are not even granted so much as a glance let alone time to speak their part. Again I know why, he loved them the most and hence feels most betrayed by them, but evenso it is quite intriguing that he does that. Does it point to his double standardness? or the mere fact that when it boils down to it, he is just another person who craves love, and having been (using Hammies phrase here) Molly coddled his whole life, he doesn't quite appreciate or understand that love and trust are a two way street that, just like you are a human who struggles who makes mistakes (case in point strikes nakusha then regrets it, even if drunk) that the person you love (Naku and Baji) too are humans who will make mistakes. SO why is that your anger can be justified yet their insolence- if I may use that word- cannot?

Either way, I cannot wait to see what path Dutta chooses, will he let himself he consumed by pseudo- jealousy which is created by the hands of Kala like Othello did, or will he actually use that thing between his ears called a brain?

nooo dutta not jealous.. he knows ..although never admits that ! that naku loves him and there is no other man in her life other than the lion of patil vadi!

Time will tell.

Kaafi lamba hogaya? you dont say..😆

I shall leave it there. Aaah but do let me know whether you can see the Othello parallels too, or am I barking up the wrong tree. :)

no i cant see othello..in dutta.. dutta trusts naku and is protective of her.. i see more of hamlet in dutta.. preoccupied with his dhoka syndrome.. cheated by people he loved.. and being consumed with mad rage.. and wallowing in self pity..

(of course I do have more to say on the Othello matter, but time is of the essence so I shall leave it there)

ummm phir kab aye ge..?

Thank you :)

[I have so many errors I know when I type and I always forget to say this, but please do forgive the numerous typos that I know I notoriously make]

kaunse typo errors? i cant see any.. nehin teri comments tu bahut interesting hote hain...
iam chaffed you come to this thread , bart too loves your comments.. aur sun Fawad ke film release ho rehe hai 19th sept.. me going to watch it on bada screen.. i like sonam too..
thanks for your commenting waiting to see Haider too! much love hammie tra

Originally posted by: Nakusha

hi hammiee nakuuu tu ah gaye..

loved ur observation...😊.kala hiring suresh ...kali naku par sirf dutta jaisa dildar he maar sakta hai...suresh jaisa nahin...😡

thanks.. kala stops at nothing.. all is fair in her war... dutta loves naku.. jaan kabhi nehin le ga.. but he does kill naku softly .. much love yours .. lazzzy hammie..

Originally posted by: -bharti-

Hi hammie, finally tujhe fursat miligayi... pleased to see you back with atleast the wud 😛 thank you...helooo .. madamji.. sar hazar hai . for your blessings..

Very interesting episode and as naila perfectly called the "suresh gate"
haaa yeah liked this phrase.. pity suresh koi stud nehin tha... just one look at him.. dutta knew ..no way naku would fall for this piece of #
has only weakened dutta,s resolve. After the temple drive it was more than obvious dutta was losing it "kahi pe nigahen kahi pe nishana " 😆 poor fella, pyar ke liye taras raha hai.

But hammie i feel dutta would have reacted the same even if suresh had the gori naku photgraph.. he was only crying wolf err i mean dhoka dhoka.

I am waiting for your reply to naila,s othello angle.

othello angle i only thought of when he sees baji/naku at night in the garden.. baji holding hand and she his.. apart from that ,yes naila wrote a great comparison.. i studied Othello.. but to me it lacked the mad melancholic oft the moody, broody Hamlet.. the tormented mind.. thanks for reading, commenting much love hammie
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Originally posted by: goody2shoes

Hamlet, you were up in my neck of the woods and you didn't even drop in for chai?

(Ok so technically you were still miles away but, ;) you know) yaar want to come to Manchester .. been to NEC birmingham. nelson, burnley but man... not yet..

Thank you for your comments.

I have not read Hamlet, I am itching too, and I shall get round to it, I assure you, but I'm sure once I do I'll probably start seeing the Hamlet comparison's everywhere LOL.

i love the man.."method in his madness".. uske GF.. committed suicide.. itna obsessed tha chacha ne uske baap ko murder kiya for the throne and his mother had illicit relationship with his uncle... but hamlet's weakness that killed him was procrastination... shall i avenge my father's death or not??? othello's tragic flaw was his jealousy and possessiveness of his fair wife
dutta 's tragic flaw is his inability to judje people... being such a powerful,generous ,golden hearted don with huge mass following... gullible tha..

You studied Othello? I did too, for my GCSE's. I love literature which is why I took it as an Alevel too.

studied Shakespeare . at uni..

As to Dutta and jealous-I agree, but I have to say, what I actually find quite attractive about Dutta is that despite knowing the past two girls in his life dumped him for another man, he does not for one second believe Naku would do that. And that is in spite of the odds pointing in that direction.

That says a lot about him. It makes me question then the type of love he had for both Seema and Supriya. As to the former, she was his first love, it was very much like puppy-love, ohh for sure when all the hormones are raging, all the new feels, it was all exciting for him, as though he viewed the whole relationship through rose tinted spectacles. It is sometimes for that reason why I find that her betrayal had such an impact on him. Clearly from the snippets he is shown as a shy and coy fellow (he blushes at the thought of taking a picture with Seema, I mean come on) hence to him Seema was his be all and end all. BUT like I said, he was innocent and oh so young. By the time Naku came into his life, he was a man, he'd grown up, he's seen the world (more on that below)

As to supriya, I don't think he ever loved her. Attracted maybe but even then after much probing. It was more of the 'please thy mother' who wants a Daughter in law.
and naku telling him get married... supriya ke beauty se bhi impressed tha..
To me it seemed as though, Dutta and Surpiya had they got married wouldn't have been husband and wife in the sense AS hoped they would. She may have been dutiful (if we take the whole R factor-I forgot his name Mr my shirts are too tight hence I look constipated fella) and he would have treated her well. raviendra! ravi.. the jackal, bart calls him gym instructor!

By which I mean, provide for her and present her as Mrs Dutta Patil. BUT he would never have been in love with her. In all sense of the word they would have been together-but not together at all. look sab auratien ne humiliated him publically ..shameful

But with Nakusha, everything is different. He's seen the world, which is ironic because he still never learns anything. He knows how hard and tough life is, yet this strange, sometimes annoying unconventional girl steals his heart. She doesn't do it by her looks nor by playing any games, but by being herself: unashamedly honest. SOmetimes too innocent but in all sense of the word she is genuine.

she saved his life.. and is fearless of death.. a quality he admires in her..

It says a lot of Dutta at this point that when he does fall for Naku he really falls, for him it's never been about the way she looks, going way back to their first meeting, he made no remark about it, nor did he even portray that kind of vibe. Yet when he falls in love with her, it's clear he is also attracted to her. It's for that reason why I do side with him on this whole betrayal front. Although I don't agree with the way he is going about it, I do see how horrible it was-much more worse than Seema.

she made him feel like a saviour.. empowered him.. knight in shining armor..theme

That takes me directly to Suresh, heck has Suresh been a model or Mr [insert your ideal fantasy guy here] Dutta would still not have believed that Nakusha had a thing with him. i too believe that naila.

Why because this is where the plot does alter from othello, in othello, the namesake always had a complex the complex being he was black and Desdemona wasn't only fair but incredibly pretty,
yes that is true...but here dutta himself is such an elegant , cold blooded gent..uppar se bauwa khate hai.. aloof, hard.. rather then a despo testosterone type.. 😛 rather you get a roarrr!
so he always had this niggle at the back of his mind as to why she would fall for him. Hence it was easy for him to fall into the jealousy trap. However when it comes to Dutta, even if Naku is the most beautiful and Suresh was too, he wouldn't think that, because when he fell for her, he fell completely for her, he fell for the WHOLE package. A package which isn't defined by white and black.

nakooshaaa.. kya hai tera saach??? ayeee nakuoosha?.. this is the burning in love dutta .. have to say.. loves naku the way he loves his pistols, revolvers, guns,.. takes car of them.. feels them..

I guess all I'm trying to say is that, Kala tried to appeal to his manly pride, attack the virtue of your bride, and she thought that would do the trick, what she failed to see and wouldnt see anyway is that, the type of love our TaSHa share began with respect. It wasn't attraction that bought them together-although no denying Naku was totally checking Dutta out when they first met and to her he was literally her knight in shining armour-but respect was the first feeling they had towards each other, and no amounts of Suresh or any other claiming to be an ex lover would change that.

it was that they were rejects.. that brought them closer.. waise dutta jaise reject.. is priceless!

I found it interesting to compare it to Othello on the basis that Iago succeeded in attacking Othello's using his strength and weakness while here Kala seems to have done the same (strength being Naku) but didn't realise that Dutta's weakness which in some sense can be is anger isn't triggered by showcasing someone from her past. She already played that card when she managed to convince Naku to divulge her secret on the wedding night.

yes.. naku ka raaz was the hankie...

That in my eyes will always be, the most under hand and evil tactic Kala deployed.

kala is the viper most poisonous... dutta bhau ki behan!

Bhart; you always make me blush LOL.

hain... i dont make you blush? roarrrarghhh! ohh haan bart tu teri guru haina.. ask bart who is her guru?

Hammie: I thank you again for your annotations and putting up with my ramblings :)

hope you read this mz..aachi kurri..
much love hammie.. yes me awake.talking to my relatives.. tra.. neend aye hai going to nod off soon...🥱

Originally posted by: Hamlet53

Originally posted by: goody2shoes

OK now I have to know, spill the beans Bharti, who is this so called Guru? I feel so excluded, let me in. I want to know. Goody you are too good, honestly 😃 you are already in believe me, listen as i already mentioned i let hammie spill the beans who my guru is, kyu ? 😉

Oh Hammie, of course you know you doth make me blush too, and do much much more. I LOVE reading your feedback. The blue annotations give me life :). oye oye much much more yeh dil mange more 😆 ab you spill d beans yeh much more kya hai 😆 but i too admit woh blue annots dekhe kuch hota hai 🤣 is it the color im wondering 😆

Originally posted by: -bharti-

Goody my response a pale red no blue blue 😆

Hi hamlet