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Posted: 14 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: droopy_asleep

Super discussion guys! Just my 2 more cents!
My point was that a relationship is meant to be 2 way. Dutta and Roops both made mistakes, they both need to work on their relationship.
Dutta fulfilled all the material demands of being their brother - the provider. He did not fulfill their emotional demands, and that was his mistake.
Roops got swayed by Kala, influenced to the extent that she stopped caring and communicating for Dutta, that was a big mistake.
They both need to rectify and move on; that was the point I was trying to make.

I also disagree that Dutta gave everything to his family - yes he played the role of a provider, but he didnt give them his time or attention. The black sheep in the family Kala took advantage and played his other 2 sisters for that one mistake. Unfortunately Leela and Roop fell for it, that was their mis-judgement. Hence I say, that the fault lies with both parties not just with Roop in this case.



Though I might call what Dutta did as a "mistake", I wouldnt say the same for what Roops and Leela did. Mistake is something that happens unknowingly, and lying and cheating doesnt come under that. Dutta's mistake was genuine, but I feel he has genuine reasons for it too (by now we all know about Dutta and his emotional vulnerability, we know this one thing itself is the base for the entire story of LTL). There are times when I have gone through bad phases in my life as well, and during those times, I prefered to be left alone and never even used to spend much time with parents/sister. But they knew I loved them. So all I'm saying is, for the mistake Dutta made, he definitely dint deserve "dhoka" from the ones whom he loved and cared the most. In return of Dutta's lack of attention to his sisters, if they quit caring for him or dint do much for him, thats still an understandable reaction. But here they were playing games with him and his mind, and making sure he is depressed in life! I wouldnt call that a mistake/misunderstanding etc., I believe if you genuinely love someone, no one can mislead you against them. Care is an automatic byproduct if you genuinely love someone. Even kids nowadays are smart that even they cannot be misled against people they love, here we are talking about ADULTS like Roops and Leela (Leela was even a mother, so I believe mature enough). So I can never compare what Dutta did with what Roops/Leela did, both the things are at totally different levels of karma, for me.

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Posted: 14 years ago
#52
gr8 discussion guys...but i still believe roops/leela's actions can't be justified by blaming dutta's lack of communication with them. and one can't entirely blame kala too. they were old enough to understand whats right and wrong. one was in fact married...what they did to dutta,naku and sethji (colouring his face with black paint) was plain evil... if sum1 in ur family becos of a bad phase in der life stops communicating with u doesn't mean u decide 2 plot games against them. they took full advantage of his blind faith in his sisters n plotted against him. i suppose the greed of money was 1 reason for their behaviour too anyway the fact that they have realised their mistakes and apologised and willing to start afresh is a good starting point to build up their relation with their brother again.
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Posted: 14 years ago
#53
I think where Kala succeeded is in instilling a sense of insecurity in the minds of her sisters.
She believed she had the remote for controlling Dutta and wanted her sisters to be ever unsure of their position. That way she had them under her control as well.
Dutta on the other hand loved his sisters more than himself and assumed a reciprocation that they did not feel confident enough to extend. He did try. May being naturally introvert or shelled in post Seema did not help. And may be Kala ensured Leela and Roops saw their connection to him only via her. and that created the distance to widen between them
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Posted: 14 years ago
#54

Originally posted by: prncz

I do understand your point of view Harshita but i still feel Dutta was never at fault , I mean his world had been shattered ,,,he was the one that needed counselling and love of his family at time like this , which is the real meaning of family and

the 3 sis always portrayed a nakli image in front of him and AS ,, and plotting behind his back ,
remember the 1st meeting whn he came back with nakku n his family ,,they show all 3 sis in the temple praying for their bro's life and all ,, and came hme and drank "chanamrit "and removed the makeup off burnt palms and all laughing at how they were fooling the world
ok this time,, their bro was going the wrong path they could see ,,he was isolating himself frm the world as a survival measure ,
his loss was their gain ,,they only gained from him ,they never wanted to help ,
ok agreed , kala , she influenced leela n roops but they never even FELT wht they ere doing is wrong ,
i mean u can convince a person that for e.g death is the best soln for an enemy but whn a gun is placed in you hands, it is UR brain that presses the triggers and CONTROLS ur actions
what they were doing was intentional..dutta was wht he was at face value ..if he was angry he would shout and scream and rage and do away with the person not behind his back
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what dutta did was like unintentional ,, he did nto knw wht he was doing ,but his sis's KNEW aht they were upto



@ blue - Very well said!

Exactly...the difference between "unintentional" & "intentional" acts itself makes them uncomparable. An unintentional misdeed is called mistake, not an intentional one. If whatever Roops and Leela were doing was because Dutta ignored them and they were angry with him, there is a reason. But where "money" and "influence" is what drives a misdeed, I dont think it can be justified in any way, or compared to a genuine and unintentional mistake.


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Posted: 14 years ago
#55

Originally posted by: *dewdrop~pearl*



@ blue - Very well said!

Exactly...the difference between "unintentional" & "intentional" acts itself makes them uncomparable. An unintentional misdeed is called mistake, not an intentional one. If whatever Roops and Leela were doing was because Dutta ignored them and they were angry with him, there is a reason. But where "money" and "influence" is what drives a misdeed, I dont think it can be justified in any way, or compared to a genuine and unintentional mistake.


well said appu and raj!! i'm with u guys on this 1...
the ET days😡😡😡😡😡 cnt believe hw evil all 3 wer...hated roops for mocking naku regarding her color😡😡😡😡 and also wen she was mocking her abt hw she wud evn think tht dutta wud love a girl like her...😡😡😡😡
i'd say Tasha have a very big heart 2 forgive these ppl tht claimed 2 b der loved 1s yt betrayed thm so badly...thts y i reali reali liked madhu's character becos she didn't once eva mock naku regarding her color infact was the sweetest nanand tht naku neva had with the ET...glad nw its changing
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: *dewdrop~pearl*


Though I might call what Dutta did as a "mistake", I wouldnt say the same for what Roops and Leela did. Mistake is something that happens unknowingly, and lying and cheating doesnt come under that. Dutta's mistake was genuine, but I feel he has genuine reasons for it too (by now we all know about Dutta and his emotional vulnerability, we know this one thing itself is the base for the entire story of LTL). Like there are times when I have gone through bad phases in my life as well, and during those times, I prefered to be left alone and never even used to spend much time with parents/sister. But they knew I loved them. So all I'm saying is, for the mistake Dutta made, he definitely dint deserve "dhoka" from the ones whom he loved and cared the most. In return of Dutta's lack of attention to his sisters, if they quit caring for him or dint do much for him, thats still an understandable reaction. But here they were playing games with him and his mind, and making sure he is depressed in life! I wouldnt call that a mistake/misunderstanding etc., I believe if you genuinely love someone, no one can mislead you against them. Even kids nowadays are smart that even they cannot be misled against people they love, here we are talking about ADULTS like Roops and Leela (Leela was even a mother, so I believe mature enough). So I can never compare what Dutta did with what Roops/Leela did, both the things are at totally different levels of karma, for me.



I would like to think of what happened with Leela and Roop with what happened to Karan in the Mahabharat. He was a very good human being at heart, daanveer at heart and everything, but what happened? He sided with Duryodhan - mind you when he was an adult, because of certain acts of kindness on D's part. He was party to the atrocities that were committed on the Pandavas and Draupadi to large extent; but ultimately, he repented. Leela and Roop are in that boat of being influenced I feel, mostly because of "some" good actions Kala supposedly did for them. Now obviously they forgot all the good Dutta did and was doing for them, but Kala was their sister too who was influencing them day in and day out, while Dutta was busy fighting enemies. They were blinded by Kala, just like Karan was blinded by the so called friendship with Duryodhan.

And to the karma aspect, to me both parties repented and have paid a heavy price for their deeds, so they are on equal footing now.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I think the whole problem was Dutta after he went into his shell post Seema, just assumed everyone would understand him and his emotions without he having to express them in words. He definitely cared for his sisters..but failed to let his actions speak similarly may be. There are many such people in real life, who expects saamnewala unka thoughts read kar lega...Anb that often leads to miscommunication.
But having said that, If you remember the initial episodes where Dutta runs into the Mandir and Roops faints on him, there he very clearly expressed his feelings for his sisters and the sisters too while sipping champagne were discussing how their Bhau can do anything for them...



That is true…but some people (I think - like Dutta) give it all in a relationship and then when there is a betrayal - feel that they have lost everything.

Dutta gave it all and that was not enough for Seema…when you feel you have lost everything and in Dutta's case have a lot of guild on the shoulders…you do build a wall to protects your self for not getting hurt again. Because you some how feel that you would not be able to survive another betrayal or because you think you are not worthy to be loved.


I do not feel that Dutta just assumed everyone understand him and his emotions and that he do not have to express them in words. Dutta is a simple man and say exactly what is on his mind…if he had not build the wall and buried his feelings deep down inside him….I think…he would have let them know.

They kept there distant…so did he. But Baji and Aayi…really cared for Dutta…felt his pain…so they kept trying…while the sisters was busy in there own happiness and needs.


Anyway that is how I see the character Dutta...Dutta got so many layers…the reason I love the character…you can discuss this character for hours and not be able to agree. Because of all the layers…and Mishal's amazing performance...I think - everyone sees Dutta in a different way.😊

Really miss Mishal's performance
.😭

Really love the discussion going on...but have to got to sleep...late her in Denmark
.😊


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Posted: 14 years ago
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ok guys going of the discussion topic nw bt did ne1 else feel tht NS didnt gt the closure tht was expected/needed?? i think it was very impt tht NS died having heard the truth from rupali... i felt tht was impt for a closure bt we didnt gt tht...regretting wt he did 2 DP n his kids etc may nt hav happened bt i feel he shud hav heard the truth from rupali tht DP had actually been the true brother...yes NS heard al tht from Balu bt he didnt believe it...m sure if rupali had tld him this, NS wud hav believed it... wt do u guys think?
edit: pls evry1...post comments in MR's profile so his rank goes up...
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Yuvika_15

ok guys going of the discussion topic nw bt did ne1 else feel tht NS didnt gt the closure tht was expected/needed?? i think it was very impt tht NS died having heard the truth from rupali... i felt tht was impt for a closure bt we didnt gt tht...regretting wt he did 2 DP n his kids etc may nt hav happened bt i feel he shud hav heard the truth from rupali tht DP had actually been the true brother...yes NS heard al tht from Balu bt he didnt believe it...m sure if rupali had tld him this, NS wud hav believed it... wt do u guys think?



Agreed; unfortunately, he conked off before he could hear what Rupali said. I wonder if she will come out of the coma state she is in.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Another train of thought...

Would any of you say that Leela and Roops were actually more afraid of Kala and the consequences of defying her wishes drove them to lull their own consciences to go completely blank and play along with her?

Just a thought.

But I cannot forget how Roops went into elaborate dramatics to phasao Baji acting all repentant when actually she was laying a trap as per Kala's wishes...

Jab Kala confessed that she had indeed tried to kill Dutta and put them under house arrest only then did the two change...may be they finally realised Kala had only her own ambitions at heart or may be finally they were rid of the fear of Kala ?

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