N:Agnipariksha to redeem image of virtue for Dutta

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Hi, I have had practically no sleep today. could not get off the forum. I will probably have a "yawnful" (if the word exists") in 4 hours time. I just could not stop. Thank god, i have no meetings today.

I am a bit worried sometimes that the Naku Loyalist camp may have a go at me soon given that I have indulged in some serious bashing but I have to take care of my Gadha first and foremost! The rest does not matter (jks). Our Dutta needs all the TLC from the forum girls as it he keeps spurning the eternal and ready one springing from some quarters of PN. Will you believe that our own London/Chelseawali Madhu (though she seems to be eschew dresses appropriate for good old Brighton) wanted to have a sisterly chat with him today apart from the clingy (actually fainting) Nakusha. That was seriously so dramatic. Our Maahi has got a long way to go to perfect the drama queen antics as yet.

And on a serious note, I sincerely, hope that my worries as to LTL's unique take does not get diluted for commercial reasons. I have even gone to the extent of praising them in the 3rd consecutive post...Can you imagine. I never would have thought myself capable of that. 😆😆😆

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Originally posted by: droopy_asleep
The one aspect of this that I am not an advocate for, despite my love for Dutta the character, is the constant reinforcement he is needing from naku that she loves him. How many times has he re-inforced Naku's faith in him? Thats the piece I am waiting for honestly. Yes, in mythology, it is the woman who gives the Agni Pariksha, be it Sita or Draupadi, so this is no different, I see that, but it comes at a cost. Dutta needs to learn to trust, and more importantly listen.

But Dutta has not Asked her to give an agni pariksha or prove her point.. All he want from Every one is to be Left alone ... Its Naksuha who is following him and she has her Own reason for doing that so...

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Originally posted by: SAraW
But Dutta has not Asked her to give an agni pariksha or prove her point.. All he want from Every one is to be Left alone ... Its Naksuha who is following him and she has her Own reason for doing that so...

Agreed, that he has asked her to leave him alone, but does he really mean that? I mean he could have sent her away right? He wont do that, but he cant take her either? Does that not mean, he wants her to prove to him, as to why she didnt tell him first? Provide an explanation for her behavior? Is that not considered reinforcement? i,e Prove to me that you really loved me, prove to me that what you did was correct and not just a farce, so that my very basis of existence is not shattered. He is looking for exactly that re-inforcement, but because of his ego is not saying it.

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Kavita, Frankly, Although Naku is facing her fair share of tests currently, I am very eager to see how Subbu's warning would meld with this whole track...I don't want her heart wrenching warning consign to oblivion...IMO, It was a piece of vital advocacy for Naku...Her inceptive words still haunt me, "Yeh yaad rakhnaa"....It had the ring of a caveat...and that's what I am eagerly waiting for...

Yeah, you are right. It is not for the sake of having Subbu back but her warning was made as a sure sigh of the forbearance that Naku should have expected in her life given the unique circumstances of her alliance with Dutta. And this is what is beautiful about LTL. I am, also, looking forward to that and some others that they have neglected such as DP's.

I am seriously hoping that they give us a track showing Dutta growing up without a father figure and more light thrown on this confusing, almost detached relationship he has with his family members...read AS (to a lesser extent) and the sisters. That has never been developed. And yes, we would see the bit about the Don story which has never really got the footage it deserves.

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Originally posted by: droopy_asleep

Agreed, that he has asked her to leave him alone, but does he really mean that? I mean he could have sent her away right? He wont do that, but he cant take her either? Does that not mean, he wants her to prove to him, as to why she didnt tell him first? Provide an explanation for her behavior? Is that not considered reinforcement? i,e Prove to me that you really loved me, prove to me that what you did was correct and not just a farce, so that my very basis of existence is not shattered. He is looking for exactly that re-inforcement, but because of his ego is not saying it.

I disagree, he never meant that.. he never EVer wanted Nakusha to risk her life for him .. he never wanted her to Prove her point, IF that would have been the case he would have LISTENED to her.. AS of now He is Dealing with his INNER turmoil then anything else...

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But Dutta has not Asked her to give an agni pariksha or prove her point.. All he want from Every one is to be Left alone ... Its Naksuha who is following him and she has her Own reason for doing that so...

I am in total agreement on this one SaRaW. Nakusha does not have a choice for reasons we know but also and selfishly I would say reassure herself that she will be able to bridge the gap which is a consequence of her bad judgement/decision. Nakusha may have come across as a simple, unassuming girl only worried about Dutta's happiness (hence the sherni lapsus') but she also seems to be in denial of the personality which got Dutta hooked in the first place. The hot and cold occasional sherni acts wont be enough.

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Originally posted by: KavitaDR
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But Dutta has not Asked her to give an agni pariksha or prove her point.. All he want from Every one is to be Left alone ... Its Naksuha who is following him and she has her Own reason for doing that so...

I am in total agreement on this one SaRaW. Nakusha does not have a choice for reasons we know but also and selfishly I would say reassure herself that she will be able to bridge the gap which is a consequence of her bad judgement/decision. Nakusha may have come across as a simple, unassuming girl only worried about Dutta's happiness (hence the sherni lapsus') but she also seems to be in denial of the personality which got Dutta hooked in the first place. The hot and cold occasional sherni acts wont be enough.

So Dutta is forgiven for all his misdemeanors, forcibly marrying her, publically humiliating her and the works, and yet, she made one mistake, yes it was a grave one and she is sentenced to silence? Who is he to sentence her? What has he ever done for Naku to command that? Yes, Naku is too much in love to give up on him, but would like to point out that her suffering is not just her own doing, but also some of Dutta, his inability to forgive and to listen.

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Originally posted by: droopy_asleep

Agreed, that he has asked her to leave him alone, but does he really mean that? I mean he could have sent her away right? He wont do that, but he cant take her either? Does that not mean, he wants her to prove to him, as to why she didnt tell him first? Provide an explanation for her behavior? Is that not considered reinforcement? i,e Prove to me that you really loved me, prove to me that what you did was correct and not just a farce, so that my very basis of existence is not shattered. He is looking for exactly that re-inforcement, but because of his ego is not saying it.

I havent seen the episodes lately and hence, I wouldnt venture into Dutta's velleity on naku's stay in PN......Last I saw, he had pushed her out of his room,condemning her audacity to step in his room post FR or even showing her face to him....and hence, on mere basis of that scene, I can only say, he never forced Naku to linger with him or prove her love yet again...He is busy enduring his inner turmoil....Naku on the other hand has decided to ensure Dutta recognizes the subconscious figure of hers, beyond her bodily form and hence she sticks to him as his shield...During the course and thanks to Kala who is playing an inadvertent cupid (Someone used this metaphor very aptly today) between the two, life just gives Naku ample opportunities to once again make Dutta have a rendezvous with the real Naku...

When you are destined to be, all forces conspire to work towards your being one....

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Originally posted by KavitaDR

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But Dutta has not Asked her to give an agni pariksha or prove her point.. All he want from Every one is to be Left alone ... Its Naksuha who is following him and she has her Own reason for doing that so...

I am in total agreement on this one SaRaW. Nakusha does not have a choice for reasons we know but also and selfishly I would say reassure herself that she will be able to bridge the gap which is a consequence of her bad judgement/decision. Nakusha may have come across as a simple, unassuming girl only worried about Dutta's happiness (hence the sherni lapsus') but she also seems to be in denial of the personality which got Dutta hooked in the first place. The hot and cold occasional sherni acts wont be enough.

So Dutta is forgiven for all his misdemeanors, forcibly marrying her, publically humiliating her and the works, and yet, she made one mistake, yes it was a grave one and she is sentenced to silence? Who is he to sentence her? What has he ever done for Naku to command that? Yes, Naku is too much in love to give up on him, but would like to point out that her suffering is not just her own doing, but also some of Dutta, his inability to forgive and to listen (Droopy_asleep)

No, Dutta is not forgiven. I have said in other posts that Dutta also has to take stock of his own inadequacies and his constant retrieval into his Ivory Tower. Where Naku erred is in the fact that she had unlimited, unhindered and privileged access to Dutta/the friend/hubby....and yet did not seize her chances of at least preparing him for the shock that he would have had anyway but would have been tempered down eventually. I said in my post that it may not necessarily be his pride or ego which may not be entirely correct but as DD points out, no one, even less the Don/King of Patil Wadi should be able to take such an undignified dressing down coming from his wife amongst all other individuals in his surroundings. That is not done....

As for the public humiliation, he did make up for that by asking for forgiveness in front of the whole Patil clan and later went on to make her his wife with all the pomp and ritual to reinforce her status in his life in front of the whole society. That is not just commendable but absolves him to a certain extent for the pain and humiliation he caused her and for which he repented publicly.

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Originally posted by: droopy_asleep

So Dutta is forgiven for all his misdemeanors, forcibly marrying her, publically humiliating her and the works, and yet, she made one mistake, yes it was a grave one and she is sentenced to silence? Who is he to sentence her? What has he ever done for Naku to command that? Yes, Naku is too much in love to give up on him, but would like to point out that her suffering is not just her own doing, but also some of Dutta, his inability to forgive and to listen.

Hey Dr....

Is Dutta forgiven for all his misdemeanors? Absolutely not! He hasnt been forgiven and he hasnt forgotten! He suffers along with her, in his own way...Just because we see him inflicting physical atrocities on her, we tend to blanket ourselves to his mental suffering...Actions have more impact on our mind but we cannot deny that mental anguish is the biggest form of suffering and repentance...Since his first marriage to Naku, he has gone through a mental trauma, which he has never been able to relinquish...Naku eventually could breach through his complex web of prenotions and agony and touch his soul...He found peace in her and that is when he realized the flaw in his application of retribution. He struggled within himself for each atrocity he had inflicted on Naku and took the decision - "Mein tujhe woh har cheeze denaa chahtaa hoon, jis par teraa aur sirf teraa haq hai"....He had humilated her publicly...you are very right, he had and hence, he publicly accepted his mistake and confessed - "Mein tujhse Maafi mangnaa chahtaa hoon naku, har us bezadi ke liye, har us zabardasti ke liye, har uss sazaa ke liye. Mujhe Maaf karde. Mein sab ke saamne kehnaa chahtaa hoon, ki teraa pyaar hamesha se sachcha tha aur meraa shaq jhootha"...It was a sincere attempt to not only redeem Naku's lost dignity but more importantly also tranquilize his inner turmoil that coaxed his conscience hard and strong for every "bezadi", "Zabardasti" and "Sazaa"...His admission was a proof that he went through a chaotic state for these three wounds inflicted on Naku by him...A self retribution is the greatest form of suffering as well as greatest form of apology!!!

Moreover, we like it or not, Its the function of the stronger one in the two, to hoist the patience while the other basks in its intensity...Naku just does this job perfectly...

Her suffering is not just her doing - Again agree!! Both of them suffer and both of them play compeers in this suffering...Isnt that what Dutta has to heal in him, this time?

This is the beauty of theis ELS!

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