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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Rose_Petal

I agree with everyone who has pointed out that DP did not kill his brother.....at least that wasn't his intention. As others have explained, however, it is also true that DP's actions during that night are responsible for what happened to SP and his family naturally hold DP accountable for it. Now, Kala's bitterness is something that suits her. She is a selfish woman. It is normal for someone like her to be unforgiving. AS, on the other hand, isn't shown to be like Kala (she is prob worse, I think, but I'll pretend she isn't). Then why won't she accept and tell Dutta that SP died accidentally while fighting DP. This is correct and it doesn't put DP as a murderer yet it makes it clear that he is in a way responsible for it. The way she and the rest of them explained it to Dutta, it seems like DP literally pushed SP off. If this is true then the CVs showed us the scene completely wrong!

DP has admitted he is a kamina and did wrong them. He apologized and they did not forgive with the exception of AS. Whatever. They don't have to. They can go on forever holding their grudge against him. What they shouldn't do is poison his son's mind with the wrong details. Dutta would not forgive DSP even if they told him exactly how SP fell off and he would still blame himself for it too. Telling him a different story however, doesn't just make him just hate his dad but himself also, and he feels like he & DP took away their happiness. There is no room for him to say that this was an accident and those happen to everyone. AS decided to tell Naku, and then they all told Dutta, that DP gambled him away Dutta, killed SP, leaving AS widowed, and her kids father-less. Why? Doesn't this makes it seem like AS wants Dutta to feel like he owes them his life not just because they raised him but also because DP killed SP?

Exactly what was going on in my mind but you put it down beautifully here.Of course DP is responsible for the plight of Dutta,AS & her family.Raising three girls is no cake walk & I can understand AS's plight in the initial years.But it is DP's son that gave them back everything maybe ten fold though he was as much a victim as they were.Not only that he even became a punching bag for these women & according to them still has a long way to go before he & his father are completely redeemed.Dutta has paid back for his father's sin.We were discussing the present situation in AS & her children's lives,weren't we? They are rolling in a lot of money.Now money will never make up for SP's loss but for these women its seems to be the most important facet of life.They said so themselves on a number of occasions.So what I don't understand is their continuing hatred for DP & his son and their unquenchable thirst for their blood. As for running away instead of facing the music that was too in the past when DP was a drunkard.He was a different man then.Drink makes people commit the most heinous acts. I must mention here that it would have been much easier to stay back at the time & faced AS then.After all she was just a helpless widow & the kids were very young.It took a lot of courage & overwhelming need for forgiveness from his close ones for DP to come back in their lives now to face them.They are members of the powerful gangster Dutta Bhau's family now. And they hold a lot of sway over the don. Not to forget he has been keeping close tabs on Dutta himself so knows his nature very well.He knew Dutta would hate him from the bottom of his heart yet he came back seeking his son's forgiveness.Surely a pious & worldlywise woman as AS claims herself to be would be affected by this attitude of DP.
Edited by ZubyDutta - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Anu i agree wid u vry much. Infact i wanted sum1 to open this post, glad u did. I always felt that y is DP treated wid so much hatred wen he is not a MURDERER. It was just an accident and he has come back just to ask an apology for his mistake so that he can die peacefully. I am shocked wid Nakku's behaviour. She is the one who can understand a person. Then y cant she c truth in DP's eyes. This guy has done mistakes, but he is genuinely sorry. If every1 can aacept that drunkard Ganpat then y not DP. I really feel sry for DP.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: kshreya2002

I dont think the offence is about the actual offence itself but the impact it had in the lives of people. Here DP's acts finally resulted in his brother's death. Instead of taking responsibility for his son and his brother's family he chose to run away leaving his brother's widow to bring up 4 small children all alone. And he returned all these years later only to cause another upheaval in their lives. He is every one of their culprit(and just not Dutta's or AS'). Comparing him with Ganpat is a good comparision as they are similar but wrt the question of forgiveness hasnt arisen as despite everything his crimes havent had that much impact on their lives thanks to Babi's and Naku's nature.

Coming to Dutta's offence I agree with u...what he did could have spoilt a girl's life. But it finally worked out for both of them. Plus Dutta was ready to take responsibility of Naku after he broke up with Naku instead of running away. And finally it was upto Naku to accept his repentance and move on which she did.

Ksh...i completely agree with u here. though DP mite not have murdered sumone but his actions did wrong to someones life. Also running away after trashing sumone's life is also not acceptable here. If he would ahve cum back and taken responsibility then it wud have been diff story
As far as forgiveness is concerned that depends on person to person. There is no offence that cant be forgiven. And as we all know thats what Naku is going to do. Dutta is restless, DP's face is cuming in front of him, after all he is linked with DP. Blood relations tute bhi nahi tutte. So eventually he will forgive. As far as others I dont think DP himself much cares if they do or know..to be very frank. Leela didnt, kala didnt and even if Ropps wudnt i dont thnk he will die with heavy heart. He only cares is about DUtta and HE WILL FORGIVE AND ACCEPT HIM
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Rose_Petal

I agree with everyone who has pointed out that DP did not kill his brother.....at least that wasn't his intention. As others have explained, however, it is also true that DP's actions during that night are responsible for what happened to SP and his family naturally hold DP accountable for it. Now, Kala's bitterness is something that suits her. She is a selfish woman. It is normal for someone like her to be unforgiving. AS, on the other hand, isn't shown to be like Kala (she is prob worse, I think, but I'll pretend she isn't). Then why won't she accept and tell Dutta that SP died accidentally while fighting DP. This is correct and it doesn't put DP as a murderer yet it makes it clear that he is in a way responsible for it. The way she and the rest of them explained it to Dutta, it seems like DP literally pushed SP off. If this is true then the CVs showed us the scene completely wrong!

DP has admitted he is a kamina and did wrong them. He apologized and they did not forgive with the exception of AS. Whatever. They don't have to. They can go on forever holding their grudge against him. What they shouldn't do is poison his son's mind with the wrong details. Dutta would not forgive DSP even if they told him exactly how SP fell off and he would still blame himself for it too. Telling him a different story however, doesn't just make him just hate his dad but himself also, and he feels like he & DP took away their happiness. There is no room for him to say that this was an accident and those happen to everyone. AS decided to tell Naku, and then they all told Dutta, that DP gambled him away Dutta, killed SP, leaving AS widowed, and her kids father-less. Why? Doesn't this makes it seem like AS wants Dutta to feel like he owes them his life not just because they raised him but also because DP killed SP?


@the second paragraph

I agree! While Kala's hatred of DP (and in turn Dutta) is understandable...the way the whole incident was narrated to Dutta was not. But it would be better if we do not read too much into it. The writers probably wanted to get over with the chapter quickly...thus focusing on the gist of the story, skipping details. DP was responsible for SP's death, that's it! As you have pointed out here, even if Dutta was abreast of the details of the incident, he would undoubtedly have looked at it from AS and Kala's perspective and react in the very same manner, as he is doing now! So...

But, somehow I wish, the writers had been a little more precise in this respect! But then again, this glitch wouldn't really affect the storyline.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: sub_rosa


@the second paragraph

I agree! While Kala's hatred of DP (and in turn Dutta) is understandable...the way the whole incident was narrated to Dutta was not. But it would be better if we do not read too much into it. The writers probably wanted to get over with the chapter quickly...thus focusing on the gist of the story, skipping details. DP was responsible for SP's death, that's it! As you have pointed out here, even if Dutta was abreast of the details of the incident, he would undoubtedly have looked at it from AS and Kala's perspective and react in the very same manner, as he is doing now! So...

But, somehow I wish, the writers had been a little more precise in this respect! But then again, this glitch wouldn't really affect the storyline.


Thats Right Rose, Somewhere in this whole Track is missing. but the Good thing is they have not elaborated the "step" thingy more ..Which is thankfully giving an impression that dutta was aware of his Relation with his sisters and AS the only thing he might now knew was SP not being his father alongwith AS..

coming back to the topic.. like most of u said.. The effects and a loved one being taken away by this MAN has poisoned Their minds.. IF Dutta wasn't There SP wouldn't have gone in the first place ...


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Posted: 15 years ago
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@Sara

Yeah! The way Dutta reacted to this "truth" was not quite the reaction of a man who has just come to know that his mother was never his "real" mother or his sisters were never his "real" sisters. It's more about his guilt now(via his father)...or the feeling of indebtedness towards AS and the ET.

I guess that was partly why this track was pushed ahead of the FR...in order to make Dutta even more vulnerable to Kala's brain washing sessions!
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Zuby, Bushra, Crystal, Sasha........
What has DP done as a father???
What responsibilty has he fulfilled towards his son till now???
Where has he been till now??
When Dutta became a mechanic, to be able to care of his (so called) family, where was DP?
Where was DP when Dutta needed money, and tried to sell off his watch?
Ok, even if I agree, that Dutta was noless a servant for AS, too, But where was DP? Why did he leave his son in that condition??
If DP thinks by asking forgiveness everything can be forgotten and forgiven, then he could have done so long time back too. Especially at the time when they needed help badly!!!!!
Chances of him being forgiven then was much more...
And as we can see, he had kept a tab of their lives...
DP can be forgiven as a human being who has erred, but as a father he has not fulfilled any of his responsibilties......he has done nothing for his child....how can he be forgiven as a father????
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Posted: 15 years ago
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@ chochu
We all know DP is back coz he knows he is dying and "death" is the only time when bade se bade criminals haar maan jate hai. As death comes closer ppl tend to hold hands and luk for support of ppl close to them and DP doing the same thing. When he is dying he is luking for sumone clsoe to him and the only person close to him is Dutta but then comes the feeling tat "oh he will be by my side at my death bed only if he forgives me". And thats y Dp has cum to Dutta so that he forgives him and sits beside him wen he dies.
And forgiveness girl depends person to person... for me it is like " I get it free so I give it for free".And so i will be happy to see Dutta forgiving his dad
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: chochu15

Zuby, Bushra, Crystal, Sasha........

What has DP done as a father???
What responsibilty has he fulfilled towards his son till now???
Where has he been till now??
When Dutta became a mechanic, to be able to care of his (so called) family, where was DP?
Where was DP when Dutta needed money, and tried to sell off his watch?
Ok, even if I agree, that Dutta was noless a servant for AS, too, But where was DP? Why did he leave his son in that condition??
If DP thinks by asking forgiveness everything can be forgotten and forgiven, then he could have done so long time back too. Especially at the time when they needed help badly!!!!!
Chances of him being forgiven then was much more...
And as we can see, he had kept a tab of their lives...
DP can be forgiven as a human being who has erred, but as a father he has not fulfilled any of his responsibilties......he has done nothing for his child....how can he be forgiven as a father????

Oh my god. I see these many questions. *runs to hide under the table*😆
Ok. My answers.
1. Dp has done nothing as a father.
2. He has not fulfilled any responsibility.
3.I dont know where was he till now.
4/5.Yes he was not there to support his son.
I know he had done nothng as a father. I agree. But he has come back feeling guilty, and feeling sry for not helping his son and the patil family. But he is dying and hence wants to ask for apology with his son and the Patil family. And if a person how much bad and evil he may be but he cant lie wen he is dying. And he has come for a apology genuinely. We shud forgive him for his deeds cozhe is sry and that is the first gud thng he is doing and we shud give him 1 last chance. To prove himself that he has changed. We cant always keep those thngs in mind and bear a grudge against him. One day or the other we hav to move on and forgive him.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: chochu15

Zuby, Bushra, Crystal, Sasha........

What has DP done as a father???
What responsibilty has he fulfilled towards his son till now???
Where has he been till now??
When Dutta became a mechanic, to be able to care of his (so called) family, where was DP?
Where was DP when Dutta needed money, and tried to sell off his watch?
Ok, even if I agree, that Dutta was noless a servant for AS, too, But where was DP? Why did he leave his son in that condition??
If DP thinks by asking forgiveness everything can be forgotten and forgiven, then he could have done so long time back too. Especially at the time when they needed help badly!!!!!
Chances of him being forgiven then was much more...
And as we can see, he had kept a tab of their lives...
DP can be forgiven as a human being who has erred, but as a father he has not fulfilled any of his responsibilties......he has done nothing for his child....how can he be forgiven as a father????


DP is like ganapat. he realize his mistake only when he got cancer. he must have searched datta finding him in a position of don and knowing that datta life is heavy with betrayal and sorrow. he know he will bring more sorrow to datta so DP wait for right time to ask forgiveness to datta, when nakku came to datta and made datta life light and bring happiness, DP come to datta for forgiveness.

if nakku can forgive ganapat (not being a good father till now)- datta can forgive DP
if nakku can forgive datta (marry her forcefully, and throwing her out of the house) - datta can forgive DP
if nakku can forgive babi (for applying snooth)- - datta can forgive DP
if nakku can forgive kala and his sis (for taunting her without a reason)- - datta can forgive DP

if datta can forgive kala (for trying to destroy datta love)- datta can forgive DP

What has DP done as a father???
What responsibilty has he fulfilled towards his son till now???
Where has he been till now??
When Dutta became a mechanic, to be able to care of his (so called) family, where was DP?
Where was DP when Dutta needed money, and tried to sell off his watch?
Ok, even if I agree, that Dutta was noless a servant for AS, too, But where was DP? Why did he leave his son in that condition??

for all above question my only answer is DP is greedy like ganapat who doesn't care about any one except him self. he only realize his mistake when he got cancer. all he want forgiveness from datta nothing more he want.

i say, at least DP realize his mistake came back to datta fo forgiveness is good. wait and watch why CV brought DP. only for datta.😉

Edited by sasha_1 - 15 years ago

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