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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: gp00


Arre, NOT AT ALL! I am just glad that you found it an interesting topic and responded with your opinion. Thanks!

Ur welcome dear.............
if u dont mind may i knw ur NAme?????
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Posted: 14 years ago
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tum kitna sochti ho Parul.. well done for another great topic..

sara.. you speak my mind. mwaaahh.. totally agree with you..
let me start this with the phrase that theyt are like chalk and cheese and completely opposite, but it is opposites that attract and make for a lively life.. if both the partners were similar, then life would be always one extreme or other.. here she is the prefect foil to dutta.. she is serenity and calm when dutta is spitting lava, she is always there for him, even though silently.. pls dont think silent people are weak.. that is a dangerous thing to assume according to me.. such people have a lot of inner strength than people who can shout and rant.. they have the courage and wisodm to think ahead, be calm and act rationally.. whereas dutta will act first and think later, it is perfect he has nakku as his wife who will do the opposite.. say for eg, they have an argument, agar both of them say they are right and dont budge, can u imagine which way the marriage will be heading.. here i am sure nakku will give in a lot mroe than dutta, not because she is weak or has no strength, but it is her greater inner strength which makes it possible to step back a bit for dutta..
in my opinion , i would like to keep the FR track away from how nakku's character is.. that is being done for reasons which some of us may justify and some others wont.. but if you see from the beginning, she has loved him for what he is and then u ask the very controversial question as to whether it is right to love such a person.. now love cannot be planned, it just happens.. there are good and bad bits about every person.. in this case, even though he is negative, his aim is for betterment of more people.. some jobs/professions do come with such unpleasantness like army jawans, police etc where for the wider good, some bad deeds have to be performed.. and as long as nakku feels that dutta is doing the right thing, there is nothing stopping ehr love.. in for any instance, she feels dutta is out to kill someone to increase his wealth, power, status etc, then she can and will open her mouth against him.. she has the courage to do it and will do it if needed.. currently, she doesnt see dutta doing anything to hurt anyone purposely, so he is right in her eyes..
10 years down the line, yes i also still see dutta as live as oppsoed to nakku being docile.. BUT in that span of time there will be some qualities that will rub off each other.. i am sure being in nakku's company, dutta will learn to be a tad more patient and boring wheras once hse is secure of her place in dutta's life, she will become a bit more assertive.. nothing like how dutta is, but a notch above what she is now.. waqt ke saath kaafi kuch badalta hain parul.. sometimes for better and sometimes for worse.. it all depends on how those two individuals complement each other and grow together as a couple and i am sure they will be a positive influence on each otehr's lives ..sorry, post thodi lambi ho gayi!!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I agree with what Vandu said. I dont want Mrs. Dutta to be another Dutta in a woman's body. Naku as she is makes a perfect foil to the volatile Dutta. As they say she completes him and he completes her. I guess we are feeling a little disconnected with the couple as the love story right now is resting on past laurels and CVs are letting go of many chances to make the husband-wife relationship stronger. I still dont get it why do they need to ignore the love story in favor of other relationships.

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: kshreya2002

I agree with what Vandu said. I dont want Mrs. Dutta to be another Dutta in a woman's body. Naku as she is makes a perfect foil to the volatile Dutta. As they say she completes him and he completes her. I guess we are feeling a little disconnected with the couple as the love story right now is resting on past laurels and CVs are letting go of many chances to make the husband-wife relationship stronger. I still dont get it why do they need to ignore the love story in favor of other relationships.

Shreya tis very question was in my mind till i read DD's post other day. We only were complaining here that how could Naku reciprocate Dutta's love when she is hiding such a big secret from him. That is wat has stuck CVs i guess. Till Naku doesnt show her true face romance from Dutta's side is justified...but if Naku does sumthng in name of romance we will have many poeple here saying tat "pehele sach batao aur phir pyar jatao. Naku dokha deke kaisa pyar kar sakti hai". hope so i tried to make a sense.
Mafi Parul for speaking sumthng out of ur topic but few days back i too had same sentence in my mouth like shreya and cudnt stop myself from speaking my heart to her.
As far as ur post is concerned SARA u did it again...u spoke my mind.....well said👏...agreed
Dutta needs sumone like Naku to shant the toofan inside him. As Vandu said patience is greatest asset Naku has with her and whch is most needed in Tasha' relationship. And yes as story moves especially after FR we are going to see more open Naku...dont fuhget big marriage celebration is on the way and that time we r going to c true COLORS of Naku(hope so she shows her colors during SR time too😉😳). Jokes apart i feel Naku is rite how she is and CVs will surely work on developing her personality too like DUtta
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Great post GP.......But I don' t think Dutta needs his own prototype as his wife......here I agree with prettywomen..,.that its opposites that attract.....law of attraction.....as u say.....dutta is passionate, emotional and hyper kinda person, where as nakusha is very strong emotionally. she is not weak, if had been weak, then she would not have forbeared what dutta did to her due to sups fiasco, even before that he shrugged her off when she came to calm him down.....also during jungle phase......through every thick and thin she has supported him directly or indirectly. I feel she is perfect companion for dutta.....dutta needs a partner who understand him and his emotions.....she knows that he is happy for the very first time so she cannot hurt him....like she said when she rejected his proposal ; I CAN FORBEAR IF HE HATES ME, BUT I Don't want him to stop trusting everyone and hates his own life....she is right in her own way. All she wants for him is happiness even if she is not in his life.....that's what struck dutta the most......I believe we always want people slighty opposite to our own types...if A is agressive and B is the same, then life cannot go like this.....there will be celestial collison......and end of relationship (oye when did I became stupid purohit😆😆😆 ) I am too biased I guess.....for me nakusha is just perfect for dutta as she calms the roaring lion and also make him in touch with reality....she always helped him look beyond the horizon be it sups case, recovering from seema's betrayal etc....I love the way she mock at him when they were about to fall from the cliff.....no one ever said those things to dutta.....dutta's face was so like😲..so I guess with DP episodes we gonna realise that she is the one and only for dutta damodar patil 😆😆😆😆
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: gp00

😆Hi ladies, gentlemen!


Just a quick caveat:
If Dutta & Naku are your modern day equivalents of the sacred Romeo & Juliet, then this post is not for you.😆😆
If you consider Dutta & Naku jodi with reverence, then this post is definitely not for you.😆😆😆

Okay, now with the formalities out of the way😉....


I've always felt LTL has done a tremendous job with the Dutta character...I am transfixed at his complexity. It's because I empathize with his character...perhaps because of my own personality or psychological makeup. Dutta is definitely a handsome guy, but I love his embattled self more. Frankly, he is NOT boring to me.

Over the past few weeks, as I've kicked my LTL watching habit briefly and now started up again, I had a thought occur to me. And again, I think it is a byproduct of my own thinking or bias, but I thought of how Dutta will always evolve. He is what I call ALIVE on the inside...he'll never be one place for long, will change many times in his lifetime. He is introspective, aware.

I'm posting my warning again, if you cannot think of Dutta and Naku as anything other than perfect for each other...stop now!😆

As I've become more appreciative of Dutta's complexity, his aliveness, I become somehow more aware of Naku's relative dullness. Relative to him. Without a doubt, Naku's character was meant to be gentle, loving, sacrificing, with the occasional sherni thrown in--special occasions only like Anna!😆. But I find her to be a bit boring. My short-coming is that I bought into the CHARACTER of Naku as this all-understanding, self-sacrificing (for Babi, for Dutta), brave little girl who has suffered from soot all her life...how she was MADE for Dutta. WHY? Because I wonder if she will be still made for Dutta 10 years down the road.😲😲😲


I can hear the whispers now, much as Madhia darling hears her special whispers.😉 What the hell is GP saying? Has the girl gone bonkers?

I do not want to start a riot. But I was just thinking of a thought that occurred to me and that is that Dutta is too alive, too full of passion and contradictions for someone like Naku. Yes, Naku clearly has her own contradictions (her righteous speech to AS on lies😆). However, I wish the girl that Dutta was with could match him in strength, in complexity, and NO, this person is not Naku. To me, of course. I am only speaking my mind.

Naku is loving and that is what Dutta needs most. But I also think he needs someone who can meet him eye-to-eye, is not afraid to challenge him, etc. There is noone in his life that can do that--not Baji as a friend, not his family, and I'm sorry to say, not Naku, despite her occasional show of sherniness. Perhaps, I "do not understand the character".😆

I'd love to get your thoughts on this. It's just my rambling mind at work today.


K Parul,its always like you say something negative & I always here to oppose as I love LTL too much...........May be.....................
But this time I am with you dear............ .You said it rt....Dutta loves Nakku for her innocence,her way of Bold-Behaviour towards Dutta..........He feels Nakku is someone who understands him & loves him dearly & most importantly "Never fear to talk to him her mind"..........He too is feeling he is losing that Nakku is very true..........Even I am missing the girl I loved before........................
Today,I was just watching old TaSha scenes & felt very bad to see how Nakku's character has changed all of a sudden.......That innocent Nakku no more exists...........
Well coming to your point of Nakku is not the "Perfect Match" for Dutta......................
Let me tell you no one can be perfect for anyone in this world.....It is the weightage of Love which matters.......If you love someone wholeheartedly,your love is something which matters not that you are perfect for your soulmate or not................As per as Nakku........Nakku rt now is not in a position to say or do anything to Dutta as she herself is suffering from all types of Guilts...........Not only NAkku..........Baaji,AS...............Not Babi ofcourse.............Babi is mean.................😡.............
This behaviour of all these three is becoz of "Dutta's Sensetive behaviour"...........They all love Dutta so much that they dont want him to break.........I agree NAkku is also being Gadhi here but her "Love" is overpowering her emotions,her character............Even she is not happy wappy...........If Dutta doesnot think about his family much then Nakku might have told Dutta .But,she is well aware of Dutta's behaviour as well she is also feeling Guilty.........................So,Nakku is just being the victim for all the happenings in the PN & adding to that her guilt.....................She is not been able to share that with Dutta as she knows his sensitive behaviour & she fears that she would loose the person she loves more than herself....................All these are making Nakku Go crazy.....................Adding to that her Nalaayak Baba..................
Naturally,she has lost herself now........She is just plain Helpless.............................
Once,she reveals herself in front of Dutta & Dutta too accepts her...............I think,then we have our Nakku back on track............
Ok.Dont know what I ranted..............But,concludingly I say that......Nakku is the rt companion for Dutta.Once her true self is known to Dutta & he accepts her as she is...........Nakku will be back on Sherni mode whenever needed............But,as per the sacrificing part,her sacrifice is not like Sita mayya........HEr sacrifice is natural...........She is in love with Dutta & wants to see him happy.....yet,she doesnot wanna loose him as well...she wants to get him .& thats y she said yes to the marriage.......Itna sacrifice to rehni hi chahiye as thats what she has done all her life...........
I would say wait till FR.........Then we will get back the Nakku we love.................I know thats what is difficult...............waiting................



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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: kateleode


K Parul,its always like you say something negative & I always here to oppose as I love LTL too much...........May be.....................
But this time I am with you dear............ .You said it rt....Dutta loves Nakku for her innocence,her way of Bold-Behaviour towards Dutta..........He feels Nakku is someone who understands him & loves him dearly & most importantly "Never fear to talk to him her mind"..........He too is feeling he is losing that Nakku is very true..........Even I am missing the girl I loved before........................
Today,I was just watching old TaSha scenes & felt very bad to see how Nakku's character has changed all of a sudden.......That innocent Nakku no more exists...........
Well coming to your point of Nakku is not the "Perfect Match" for Dutta......................
Let me tell you no one can be perfect for anyone in this world Saaki, I totally agree on this. Perfection is an illusion, and the more you seek it, the more you realize it CAN NEVER exist. How can it? It's all about perceptions......It is the weightage of Love which matters.......If you love someone wholeheartedly,your love is something which matters not that you are perfect for your soulmate or not................As per as Nakku........Nakku rt now is not in a position to say or do anything to Dutta as she herself is suffering from all types of Guilts...........Not only NAkku..........Baaji,AS...............Not Babi ofcourse.............Babi is mean.................😡.............Yes,she can't say anything, because of the fear and guilt and shame. But yet, she goes on with it.
This behaviour of all these three is becoz of "Dutta's Sensetive behaviour"...........They all love Dutta so much that they dont want him to break.........I agree NAkku is also being Gadhi here but her "Love" is overpowering her emotions,her character............Even she is not happy wappy...........If Dutta doesnot think about his family much then Nakku might have told Dutta .But,she is well aware of Dutta's behaviour as well she is also feeling Guilty.........................So,Nakku is just being the victim for all the happenings in the PN & adding to that her guilt.....................She is not been able to share that with Dutta as she knows his sensitive behaviour & she fears that she would loose the person she loves more than herself....................All these are making Nakku Go crazy.....................Adding to that her Nalaayak Baba..................
Naturally,she has lost herself now. She has lost a TREMENDOUS part of herself. What she always knew was good about her, what kept her head on straight, despite the outside world...her innocence, her sincerity, her honesty.......She is just plain Helpless.............................
Once,she reveals herself in front of Dutta & Dutta too accepts her...............I think,then we have our Nakku back on track............I think this is the part that makes me cringe. That Naku will then become "herself", able to be sincere, honest once again. Why? Because she set things right? No, because somehow things worked out in her favor. Look, Naku is a good person, flawed like all of us....trust me, Saaki, I have no delusions about myself whatsoever in this regard. No love is perfect, and I never expected love or people to be such. However, the fact that she hasn't come this close to spilling the beans every day has been a huge disappointment to me...she has delegated the responsibility over the truth to anyone or anything she can. I understand the fear, but in my eyes, telling Dutta the truth is the most noble thing she can do BECAUSE she LOVES HIM. To me, Dutta is an honest person. There is no sense of pretension, no fear...he just IS. I myself would keep a secret, but not for long with a person like him. I would feel I owed it to him.
Ok.Dont know what I ranted You did not! so don't even think in that way. It's always good to say what you have to say...................But,concludingly I say that......Nakku is the rt companion for Dutta.Once her true self is known to Dutta & he accepts her as she is...........Nakku will be back on Sherni mode whenever needed............But,as per the sacrificing part,her sacrifice is not like Sita mayya........HEr sacrifice is natural...........She is in love with Dutta & wants to see him happy.....yet,she doesnot wanna loose him as well...she wants to get him .& thats y she said yes to the marriage.......Itna sacrifice to rehni hi chahiye as thats what she has done all her life...........
I would say wait till FR.........Then we will get back the Nakku we love.................I know thats what is difficult...............waiting................

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I'm going to explore this one train of thought or two (BELOW). I've put the type in black font, so I don't blind you, in much the same way as Naku's apparel choices.😆

Opposites attract: it seems to be a law of nature.😆 I see it in my own life. I thought of this phenomenon in the following way and I'm going to apply it to Dutta/Naku.
Dutta has an element of self-hate. He understands who, what he is, accepts it, but yearns for innocence, honesty...all the things he feels HE IS NOT or HE HAS LOST. Voila, here comes Naku, embodying honesty, innocence and yes, he is drawn to that. Totally natural, I guess we seek those things we aspire to be or have in our lives. So, in a way, the opposites attracted. That's why he fell in love--because of what she was as a person. Now, it seems Naku does have some honesty issues...understandable, I agree. But I find it sad that she feels guilt, but seeks to push responsibility over truth to anything that moves. If it rains tomorrow, I will tell him the truth.

People change over time, their needs change: A long time ago, a mentor of mine brought up a topic as we were all discussing a book. Parts of that conversation still stick with me today, though I have no answers. How it is a fact that people evolve in their own way in life, yet everyone and everything says love does not, for love is eternal, love always "adjusts", always "endures". And the mentor posed this question--reconcile it. Then a further question: what is a soulmate in such a scenario? I couldn't come up with an answer, nor could others. That's what is one of the underpinnings of my post. We say Dutta and Naku are SOULMATES, because they love each other so much, they are opposites and complete each other. Yes, most of this is true, but that does not make soulmates. Soulmates are those that are somehow moving in the same direction over time, individually and together. And from what I've seen of Naku, and this is just MY perception, she is a gap filler for Dutta--love, security, acceptance. But there is more, there has to be...and time would show that. I mean Dutta does not even remotely understand her, she clearly does not fully understand him, and the FR is going to make them suddenly do that?

What many of you have said, about this being a static time, that time will show Naku grow towards Dutta...it's very possible. But for me, I don't feel wholly convinced. Naku is far too simplistic mentally. There is no energy, aliveness there. And no amount of time can give you that if you don't have it in yourself.

Again, just my opinion. I am probably reading way tooo much into this evolving thing. But for me, when Naku ignored opportunity upon opportunity to tell the truth, to show that respect to DUTTA, I realized just how different she is from Dutta. She has her reasons, and as a person, I can understand that fear of loss...I just can't say it's ok because she "loves" him.



Edited by gp00 - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: ZubyDutta

Hey Parul. I must say a rather bold but very thoughtful question.

I agree with u that I find nothing remarkable about Nakusha. I'm sometimes truly amazed by the "sherni","one of a kind" Dutta-is-lucky" adjectives attributed to her.Frankly as the days pass I'm finding her a rather mousy girl.Claims that she turned Dutta a human from a jaanwar are plainly ridiculous. DUTTA WAS NEVER A JAANWAR IN THE FIRST PLACE. That Nakku & her family are alive & well today is because Dutta is Human & not any ordinary human but someone with a remarkable kind heart.He is so kind & considerate that he not only saved their lives but sensed the family was hungry & stopped at that eatery thus risking his life again.Surely not a behaviour of a jaanwar.Yet only Nakusha is credited with saving his life that night.
Of course Nakku is good girl with a pure heart and she loves Dutta only for him & not for what he can provide. But are these qualities enough for someone to become a life partner of the very mercurial & complex Dutta?
In this marriage Nakusha's only contribution will be her love which I whole heartedly agree is the most imp aspect of any relationship but its not the only one. Because its a myth that love alone sustains all. There are innumerable other aspects that go into making a realtionship a success. First & foremost being completely honest & truthful followed by trusting that ur partner will stand by u no matter what.She should stop protecting him this way.She should stop making decisions for him.It'll only prove to him she thinks he is a weakling.She'd already made that wrong judgement in Sups case.Instead of allowing him to face the reality that Supriya was not for him & letting him decide what he wants to do abt it she made the decision for him.She had no right to do so.And now this "FR" thingy.She's at it again. She has decided for him yet again.He is weak hence must be protected. So lets put off revelation such a huge truth of her life indefinitely.Where is the honesty,where is the trust?
And what "sherni"? Her scumbag of a father is robbing Dutta (Gold Bars, for goodness's sake) yet she stands there mute.
I'm sorry if I offended anybody.Parul asked & I replied.

Zuby, BANG ON TARGET!!!
These thoughts were crossing my mind too and here you put it down beautifully in words! Yes, she has become more and more mousy character! There is no truth in her relationship with anybody, not even with Bappa! She is just a person who lives and makes life difficult for Dutta by making choices for him! You really put it well!! I agree wholeheartedly with you!! When FR does happen, she shouldn't expect Dutta to understand anything. Dutta will be mad and rightly so. One should not underestimate anybody's power to understand, decipher and accept things. Let that choice be that person's. Naku is making a HUGE mistake in ASSUMING how Dutta would react! If he is a changed man and he says so and she knows that she is instrumental in changing him then wouldn't his reactions also be different and not the predictable usual ones?
Loved your post!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: mozart66

Zuby, BANG ON TARGET!!!
These thoughts were crossing my mind too and here you put it down beautifully in words! Yes, she has become more and more mousy character! There is no truth in her relationship with anybody, not even with Bappa! She is just a person who lives and makes life difficult for Dutta by making choices for him! You really put it well!! I agree wholeheartedly with you!! When FR does happen, she shouldn't expect Dutta to understand anything. Dutta will be mad and rightly so. One should not underestimate anybody's power to understand, decipher and accept things. Let that choice be that person's. Naku is making a HUGE mistake in ASSUMING how Dutta would react! If he is a changed man and he says so and she knows that she is instrumental in changing him then wouldn't his reactions also be different and not the predictable usual ones?
Loved your post!

Thank u,Mozzy😊 Your comments mean a lot to me.😊
Yes, Dutta is not being given a chance at all to make decisions in matters pertaining to his life. Its very wrong of Nakusha and now AS & Bajirao to predict Dutta's negative reactions & keep secrets.Secrets which are potentially explosive if held on to too long.And the only casualty after these explosions happen is Dutta.Why do these people think hiding the truth from him is going to save him from anything?And these are the ones claiming to understand him best.Sadly they have not understood him at all.All he wants is truth & honesty from those he loves .He has been screaming his throat hoarse abt it since the beginning.Then for goodness's sake,Why?
Dutta deserves better.She doesn't have to be a "prototype" of Dutta.Just someone truthful & brutally honest just like he is.But since Nakusha is Dutta's love interest & is here to stay let us hope better sense prevails in her soon she reveals whatever is there to reveal.
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Parul

My PM yday was on this topic and as promised I have sent you today .

cheers

Geet

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