Dutta Bao a BIG disappointment - Page 2

Originally posted by: moonstruck

Dutta was such a brilliant character when he first entered the scene, so to speak.

Anu :: Actually I feel he has been just getting better at it each passing epi. I started liking the show after his entry. Before he entered , show was very gruesome but after his entry the show got a whole new setup and meaning . For me the actor portraying Dutta has added to its sheen.......😊

But over the last few weeks I can't bear to watch him anymore. I completely disagree with the majority - luckily my friends and family agree- that mishal is a great actor. He is not.

Anu :: Sorry I got confused here, does ur family say that Mishal is a good actor or not? Anyways all the ppl I know including me consider him to be a very good actor. He did have couple of glitches here and there, but then who doesnt?. We have to give it to them that they work almost 20 hrs a day without rest most of the time, sply since this is a daily soap. I guess its unfair to expect 100% from an actor. However good an actor is , I am sure he/she will have off-days and we need to consider that 😊, cherish their best acts and try forgiving them for their bad days ....... 😊

Also I feel he has bettered himself over the last few weeks. Actually I started falling for the character Dutta more these past days,so I am really suprised to see that u actually started disliking him in this period😆.

For what u mentioned it looks to me that u completely detached urself from the character "Dutta" . Thats why u dont feel the way many of us feel . No, I am not being critical.........you are always welcome to have ur POV , everyone has there and no one can force anyone to change their opinion 😊.

I don't think this role suits him at all. At first i thought it did, but that was before i realised he is just a one-angled actor.

Anu :: What does an one-angled actor mean?. I would love to read more about it to see how you thought him to be so ...... 😊

Before they got him speaking he was fine giving intense looks etc. his silence spoke volumes. And then out came the BLACK OUTFIT and wow he looked brillantly intense, like a proper gangster.

Anu :: He gives intense looks even while he speak..........its only the way u relate to the character that matters I guess..........if u can really feel the character he is portraying , iam sure his acts even today wouldve had impact on u. This is not only abt Dutta's character, it is for any character in general. I myself watch loads of shows everyday.....whenever i get time i catch up on a show..........but believe me no other character in the soap world effects me. I dont think abt that character after iam done watching them........and no character can make me feel sad/mad/bad today ........except ofcourse LTLs characters........thats because I relate to the characters more......... I guess thats the issue here, u are detached from Dutta's character....... and I dont blame u for that........ His character if looked from one POV is a very bad character and from one POV is a suberb one...... just like a coin, its ur choice from which side u would like to view the character thats all.......

However 😭 after a few days his acting has become repetitive. *the side-ward angle of his face is CONSTANTLY used as though he knows that is his best side, so he constantly places it in front of the camera.

Anu :: I actually disagree with u. Every person even in real life has a mannerism........ u know like some words they repeat very often, some actions they repeat very often ....... walk-in-one-partcular-style, talk-in-a-particular style......similarly if Dutta is a real person , he would look a certain way, act a certain way and walk a certain way isnt it?. I think Mishal as Dutta is doing the exact samething. I think none of us want Dutta to change his style everyday......that will be ridiculous I guess...... just my POV.

*he even started to look back while his body faced forward, to keep his face more in shadow.

Anu :: I am sure u misunderstood the scenes.......why will he look back if the person is in front and if he is looking back then the person must be back ......or the director wanted him to look sidewards to take his side profile......... see its not always actors choice .......its directors too who want to give a certain meaning to a shot and thats why they shoot in a certain angle ........ and I think Mishal does have a good posture , we did see him talking eye-to-eye with Nakku in many a scenes......so what makes u think he does deliberately give a side-shot?.

*the hands behind the back pose 🤢 Goodness, its only that pose that seems to make him look commanding and manly, but after seeing it again and again you realise its a tool to make him look scary, but is no longer effective.

Anu :: whats wrong with the hands-behind-back-pose?😕. I think it just adds to the character-definition.............I actually dont like to see Dutta swaying his hands while walking, that makes him look like a very normal person...........see we differ in what we think of that isnt it?😳

No i again diasgree with u, that hands pose was meant to show him in-command ........which he is...........He is a Don afterall, he rules ppl, he rules his house......so why wont be he commanding?. Again , u dont want a person to change his acts/mannerisms everyday......that will be totally out-of-character isnt it? Do we change the way we walk everyday? Do we change the way we talk everyother day? Then why do u expect Dutta to be different?.

the worst bit is when he started to talk more and relate his past. the day he turned me off him completely was the 'DUTTA BAAAO' scream by the river. Damn it was so silly. and ever since i find his acting WAY TOO FORCED and unnatural. its difficult to watch without bursting into laughter.😆

Anu :: I think we are living in totally different planets now 😆. I actually started relating to dutta after he revealed his past.........for me he was a mysterious guy before that and after that revelation, i could totally relate to his feelings and heartbreak........

If u didnt like that scream, why dont u just take it as a small glitch and try connecting back to the character and see if u could relate to him once again............😊

i think they chose wrong the wrong guy, because his voice is not deep enough, he has to walk around with his hands in his pockets to look like he is in control, he is too feminine, with a slight figure and he just looks too much like a romantic hero than a bad dark-torn-complex gangster with a soft core.

Anu :: Sorry yet again, but he is an apt choice for this role, Till now he hasnt disappointed many of us here.

About his voice, I think u havent paid much attention to it lately, but yesterday's epi "Baaji Rao" and todays "Nakku" was as deep as it can get...........and he modulates his Voice to T👏.

Walking with hands in pocket, he is in command and control and he does look like he is. He isnt TRYING to show anything, he is INFACT IN COMMAND...... 😊

Feminine? : Hmmm.......... he is lean , many of us agree, but then cant a Man be lean? Why do we expect a Don to be a 6-packt-ab guy?. Strength should be in heart not muscle and I think the way they have designed Dutta's character, he is not the body-builder type don, but he is mentally very strong type don and Iam glad he doesnt have the 6-pack and instead is shown lean but yet very strong who can hit ppl with his immense-will-power.......

each time they try to reveal his softer side- its unbearable. Its a shame because the rest of the cast are brilliant. I just think this guy has been miscast and he is struggling to play the role. the character is brilliant, but the acting is nauseating. i just wish he were better because i had such expectations after the first week. But after he came home from hospital it all went down hill.

Anu :: He slips into "Bahou" and "Dutta's" role quite easily.......... he has had huge impact on many of us with his portrayal of that emotionally tormented, hard-exterior, soft-interior guy .......and I totally disagree with u, abt the "shame" part. He along with the whole cast has been totally well-casted .....no complaints over it........😊

Looks like u judged him too fast. I took all these days to come to a conclusion and I wish even u give him another chance, try relating to the character , understand what he is trying to portray and may be u will change ur opinion..........😊

For me I personally feel u havent understood the character and thats where the problem lies and not in the Actor. I am sure u wouldve said the same thing if any other actor was casted in his place , cuz any other actor playing Dutta wouldve had the same side-shots, same-screams, same-walk, same-posture and same-story to tell................ 😊. Problem is not the actor , but the character for u.

Alas the moon is flawed.

Anu :: If we consider it a flaw it is, if we consider it as its beauty.....then it is ITS beauty......... its one's Perspective at looking things, I guess........ 😊

I can only says moonstruck U love the character Dutta so much that U wanted all good things about him to posted by ardent fans like so that your weekend would pass away not missing his action around.

Originally posted by: k_sarala

I can only says moonstruck U love the character Dutta so much that U wanted all good things about him to posted by ardent fans like so that your weekend would pass away not missing his action around.

U know we are ready to write loads and loads about how Mishal fits in exactly Dutta's character. I come otehr way roud- itwas Dutta the character in action who has obsesses me and thus have started liking Mishal- bec I havent watched his earlier serial nor Iam a serious followere of the soaps.

U can imagine the influence of Dutta on us that he makes us log on early in the day talking to you guys.

He is the one who has given birth to so many fans like me.

COming to a character Dutta and his physique U mentioned

U have to note a point here that he was not brought up as a DON , he became one so why should he be different from any normal person.

Well Moonstruck I can go and go on about how well Mishal is the epitome of Dutta. Day by day I start liking each of his mannerism - be it his walking, side glances, clenching his fists, subtle smile, keeing his hands behind, the way he portrays his pain etc. etc. etc.....

Sarala, I completely agree with you. I am way more interested in Dutta than Mishal. When I saw Mishal's interview, he wasn't attractive to me. It's only when he puts on the character of Dutta that he makes us all swoon. And THAT is called good acting! 👏

Originally posted by: -Fivr-

Great job -Fivr-!!!
Well answered each and every point!

i m not a fan of mishal. but i like him as an actor. may b hes not v.gud but wid time he"ll improve. and till now hes not bad. though sumtimes his dialouges got a bit faulty. but now its improving whereas datta's ckt is concerned barring sum points hes gud.😊

Originally posted by: kshreya2002

U know the character which is supriya's bodyguard is called ravi and not datta bhao...and the we dont know the actor's name...but we are sure that ravi isnt played by mishal raheja. 😆

If your confused about who plays who the cast list should help you out. 😆

Originally posted by: -Fivr-

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I agree! He really was, wasn't he? I don't remember any other protagonists have a "water"-entry in any show. That totally took me by surprise! 😍

The first scene of an actor is not the only thing which is defined as his 'entrance'. The first few days of his joining the show is when he 'entered' the show. There is no need for sarcasm, critiquing dutta/mishal is not a criticsm of his fans, so why take it personally?

But over the last few weeks I can't bear to watch him anymore. I completely disagree with the majority - luckily my friends and family agree- that mishal is a great actor. He is not.

I don't think this role suits him at all. At first i thought it did, but that was before i realised he is just a one-angled actor.

I am really interested in reading your point-of-view on this! 😃

simple he only shows his face at one angle at the camera, a sort of 45degree slant lol

Before they got him speaking he was fine giving intense looks etc. his silence spoke volumes. And then out came the BLACK OUTFIT and wow he looked brillantly intense, like a proper gangster.

However 😭 after a few days his acting has become repetitive. *the side-ward angle of his face is CONSTANTLY used as though he knows that is his best side, so he constantly places it in front of the camera.

*he even started to look back while his body faced forward, to keep his face more in shadow.

*the hands behind the back pose 🤢 Goodness, its only that pose that seems to make him look commanding and manly, but after seeing it again and again you realise its a tool to make him look scary, but is no longer effective.

From all you've said here, I've realized that you don't dislike Mishal - but you are actually disappointed in the character, Dutta Bhao. And that's totally fine. But I really don't think that the "side-wards-glance" and the "stiff-posture-with-hands-behind-his-back" and "the-turned-away-face" are looks used by Mishal to make Dutta look more scary or effective. THAT is Dutta - and in my opinion,

The postures you refer to may be what dutta IS, but mishal is not able to carry these gestures off in an artless manner. It appears stilted and forced. you can see the effort he puts into acting like this. And when you can see the effort an actor has to exert to play a character that's when the lines between reality and drama become blurred. So all I see is an actor trying his best to play Dutta, but failing to grasp it with ease.

if any other action should have decided to play Dutta too, this just how they'd do it.

perhaps they would have, but a good or better actor would do it in a way which appears effortless, and a natural part of them.

So I guess, what I'm trying to say is - Mishal is doing justice to Dutta's character to the T. But you dislike the character itself - which you have a full right too! 😃😃

I like the character, unless u've decided for me that I don't. There is nothing wrong with the character. A tormented bad guy turned to violence from hurts in past life - it may be a new thing on indian tv, but we've seen plenty of them elsewhere.

I don't have anything against mishal either. I think he is trying really hard. BUT TRYING is not the same as DELIVERING.

Waise, just a quick question. From what I've read so far, it seems like you fell in love with the character in all of 3 days? And that's ALL you considered before deciding if Mishal/Dutta was someone you liked? Wow - that's intense. I usually wait about a month before I make up my mind - AFTER I have learned about the character and the actor portraying it. I just think you jumped into it too quick and probably that's why you got disappointed - BUT to each his own!

now you're criticsing how i make my mind up about a character. Well lets just say it takes only a few episodes or just one to realise whether an actor is good or bad, they can only improve after that if they are given the right scenes, dialogues etc. Dutta or should i say mishal started well BECAUSE he didn't have to speak alot, i think mishal himself knew little about his character so the mystery he first exuded was brillant. he was tough but sensitive.

However soon the nity gritty of his life was displayed, and unfortunatly mishal has not been able to carry it off well.

Take Robert Pattinson for example, he was brillant in Twilight, but the acting did not improve and become nuanced in New Moon, it just remained at the same level.

the worst bit is when he started to talk more and relate his past. the day he turned me off him completely was the 'DUTTA BAAAO' scream by the river. Damn it was so silly. and ever since i find his acting WAY TOO FORCED and unnatural. its difficult to watch without bursting into laughter.😆

I don't know - I don't think it was silly. It was an erupting of the pain/frustration inside him. I know I've yelled in an empty roof top once - just because that's how far beyond bearable the things had gone. Personally, I think it was to show the EXTEND of his pain - not as a gimmick. 😊 And that's probably why to me that act (and all his other acts) seem brilliant - because I guess I can "see" what he wants me to see and feel it.

You can 'see' - he is showing you. That's the point. Dutta shows us how he feels, well tries to, but there is a sense that he doesn't really feel it, just shows it. There is just too much effort there as he tries to make his audience understand his pain.

Lol, but you probably think I'm totally delusional, don't you? 😆

Not delusional, people just see things deifferently. There are millions out there who believe SRK is a great actor, yet others who think he is rubbish. So is one side delusional?

i think they chose wrong the wrong guy, because his voice is not deep enough, he has to walk around with his hands in his pockets to look like he is in control, he is too feminine, with a slight figure and he just looks too much like a romantic hero than a bad dark-torn-complex gangster with a soft core.

Lol! Mishal's modulating his voice - did you hear the "Baaji" yesterday? Come on! That is NOT a high pitched voice! Hear it again and let me know. 😆

He does extract a deeper voice sometimes, but his own voice is not naturally deep, which probably makes it more difficult for him.

And walking with your hands in your pocket is not a way to "show" that you have control - it IS when you have control.

If you have control you don't need gestures to prove that you are. Your whole being/posture looks like someone who is in control. One glance of the eye can reveal deep set power, rather than constant hand movement in a nervous looking way.

I mean you're collected and calm. You know where all of your limbs are - exerting that much control on your body (something the rest of us just let loose) shows how much in "control" everything around Dutta is. Now maybe we can accuse him of being too "controlled" - but definitely can't say that he gives the illusion of being in control. And he is lean and muscular - I am glad he isn't one of those guys with steroid-induced muscles (read Ravi). He's a powerful and strong man - he isn't a "bulked-up" guy though. And I, personally, like that. 😃 But I can see how lack of "aggressiveness" in his daily action could seem "feminine" to you.

He is aggresive, it comes from no where. 😆

Bulked up does not mean power..yes for eg ravi who is a complete buffoon. When i say feminine just looks at his wrists, and his walk- he has to pace himself to look steady and thoughtful. he is like a gentle ballet dancer being forced to play the part of a tormented dormant volcano.

each time they try to reveal his softer side- its unbearable. Its a shame because the rest of the cast are brilliant. I just think this guy has been miscast and he is struggling to play the role. the character is brilliant, but the acting is nauseating. i just wish he were better because i had such expectations after the first week. But after he came home from hospital it all went down hill.

Really? I LOVE to see his "layers" peeled back - it's absolutely enlightening. 😃

If only the layers were that interesting. A guy who has been cheated in love- o where have I heard that before? Must be a truly innovative concept.😆

Jokes aside, the layers were a good initiative on CVs part, but they drag it on too much and overdo the sob story, esp a typical sob story.

Not to upset you or anything, but I really think you judged the show too quickly and had expectations from it too soon. Basically you took the "plunge" too soon and were disappointed.

Of course you're welome to your opinion, but I've been watching the show progress but nothing seems to be improving, like i said, naku, Baiji, dutta's family, naku's family are what keep me entertained. i even admire Mishal for trying so hard, but this time the casting was just not right, he isn't ready for such a complex role, and the strain 'dikhtha hai'.

And after the Dutta character they really and truly miscast Ravi and Supriya. Well that's another story😉

Alas the moon is flawed.

The moon is DEFINITELY flawed - but not for the reasons you suggested. At least I don't think so. He is flawed because he's been hurt - there's a "crack" in his heart and in his line-of-vision as far as love's concerned. He can never see it "whole" again - and that's his flaw. But I honestly LOVE the flaw - it makes him human. 😃

The bottom line is when you can see an actor ACT, that is when the effect is ruined. the acting should be so brilliant that you don't think of them as acting 😊 And that is why I cringe and feel sorry for mishal sometimes, he is being stretched too far and not able to cope. bless him though, cuz the boy does try HARD.

Originally posted by: Anu-Reddy

Ok I've already gone over much of these one someone else's post, but basically I have no problem with the character...just think the acting doesn't do the character justice.

Dutta's gestures- nothing wrong with that either, again its Mishal and the way he carries out these things that i dislike. You can see the effort he puts into his acting (which is a good thing) but not good if the audience can see it lol. Finally just take sharad kelkar, Anas Rashid, Ronit Roy for example, they are multi faceted actors, BUT if they are too mature to compare to Mishal, take newcomer Rohit Purohit from Aise karo na vida. They ARE their characters, the actor cannot be seen through the character. And on big screen famous Dutta types - Ajay Devgan, sunny deol...so there it is. its all i can say

hey moonstruck..i would lyk to tell u 1 thing..u have compared all these actors to mishal...and i conclude that the roles that have been played by sharad kelkar,anas rashid.and ronit roy are not that difficult to be played..their characters and their nature in the soaps has been constant throughout the serial..but when compared to mishal...in LTL mishal has a dual character..one of dutta..and the other of dutta bhao...its lyk he has a split personality..he has to show the aggressive dutta as well as the soft one and this is reeaaalllly very difficult for any actor..to clearly show the transitions from an aggressive person to a softer person..and mishal has done this brilliantly...whereas all the actors u have mentioned have had a very easy role to play...

@ moonstruck: I think every one of us likes and dislikes different actors. For example, you liked Robert Pattinson in Twilight. I hated his acting! I thought it was terrible (not to mention that the book itself is one of the worst pieces of fiction ever published) and forced. I don't understand how he could be considered a good actor with that horrible script and direction.

Compared to him, Mishal is kicking a**. And I have no doubt about that.