Aman-Kakun's Relationship

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Warning: Maybe not for Naina Oberoi-fans.
I promised, I swore, and I took an oath that I would not watch episode 88 in order to maintain my personal KDMH-strike. However, the much talk about the Rahul-Kakun chemistry awoke my curiosity, which had me clicking on the forbidden link. Yes, I know. Bad, horrible Elysia. And did I regret that I plucked an apple from the forbidden tree? Yes and no. In my review, I have put Aman and Kakun's relationship as the main focus of yesterday's episode - though, there were some Rahul and Kakun scenes - I still found the Aman-Kakun scenes the most essential and thought-provoking.
Aman is an important character as he used to be Kakun's rock, and now he's her enemy. The change from good to bad happened rapidly, as we all remember. But after watching episode 88, I feel that the writers or Ekta - whoever stands for characterization - are just as confused about Aman as we are. Let me explain:
In this episode, we were informed that Aman has had problems with alcohol to the point where the doctors diagnosed that more alcohol would kill him (in Aman we have our very own Devdas, obsessed with Kakun, alcoholic and apparently also suicidal). I like that the writers are finally digging into Aman's character, and removing some layers in order to explain why, perhaps, he did what he did. I think that we're supposed to begin to understand his mind - however, it leaves me a little clueless. Aman behaved aggressively with his lovely wife Kakun following the night he told her the truth. He grabbed her 99 percent of the time, pressured her sexually, threatened and blackmailed her. Then he changed again, becoming desperate for Kakun's love and confused about the continuing loneliness he felt. This should have made him more aggressive, which it sorta did. He started drinking again and had a car-accident. All this was fine, until he showed the sudden concern for Kakun's well-being. I understand it if he's playing mind games with her, if he's trying to manipulate her into believing that he "just" has some mental problems, the reason for doing what he did. But if the writers are turning him into a victim, poor alcoholic man, who just needs a little love and care to redeem his earlier deeds, then I am not buying it.
Let's not forget that he has coldly murdered two women, both who cared for him. Let's not forget that ever since Kakun found out about him, he has made it harder for her to love him by physically hurting her and verbally abusing her. This cannot be excused just by turning him into a love-seeking alcoholic, who needs Kakun to feel better about himself. The writers need to continue his non-concern for Kakun, and his ego-centered actions in order to keep his development within human sense. It's not logic that a man, who has changed this radically from good to bad, suddenly turns back into a caring, concerned husband. No, he must have some selfish thought behind every single thing he does, because that's what the writers chose to make of him in the first place. Now they must stick to it.
I find the last scene between Aman and Kakun very annoying. The reason is simple; Kakun's treatment of him. She is treating him like a human, even though she calls him an animal. If my sister had been killed, and I was married to the beast, then I would furious to the point, which I could not bring him breakfast, to the point, which I could not think of anything else but punishing him for what he had done. If I was married to murderer of my sister, I would not bring him breakfast, I would not advise him not to drink, I would not tell him to be careful, I would not tell him that I felt bad about what had happened to him. No way. For my part, the man could drink his brains out, drive a thousand miles an hour, or hang himself from the ceiling.
The fact that Kakun's even trying to be wife to him is insulting to Devi and Naina, and it's making me sick. What sacrifice is she yapping about? What kind of sacrificial lamb are the writers making her? She's not making any right sacrifice. There are two kinds of sacrifices in the world; the right one and the wrong one. Kakun's making the wrong sacrifice as she's letting Naina's killer walk free, as she's putting other people's lives in danger using the lame excuse that she wants to protect Rahul and his family. If she's supposed to make the right sacrifice, then she would do everything in her power to put Aman behind hard iron-bars. That would be sacrifice. Because she would be giving up being the daughter-in-law of the Punj House, she would choking the life out of her own marriage in order to bring justice to someone else.
Regardless. Now to Rahul and Kakun. I actually find his coolness toward her just fine. The colder he is with her, the more it's going to kill him when he finds out that she's married to her sister's murderer. The more force there's going to be in the final blow. And I'm really, I repeat, really anticipating that whenever he finds out about Aman - he's going to be burning with fury. He's going to become an arsonist. That's what I'm expecting of his reaction - that it's going to be powerful and awe-inspiring.
I liked the look he gave Kakun in the last scene, because for a split-second the old chemistry was back - and then it vanished again. However, that moment was enough for me to hold on. The rest of their scenes gave me nothing but annoyance and killed my already zero-leveled hope. I'm still missing how every time he was in the same room as her, he used to be so aware of her. Always watching her, always wanting her - that's missing. And it was really important.
Naina Oberoi had little screen-space in this episode, which was fine with me. It kept me from skipping, and it fit her character well, in my opinion. I didn't miss her or anything. If there had been a moment between Rahul and Naina, then it would have overshadowed the little chemistry between Rahul and Kakun. I had hoped that there would be a deeper revealing expression on Rahul's face, when Kakun hugged him, because I couldn't read his face. Was it hard for him to have her this close? Was he annoyed with her? Was he in pain? What was he feeling? Aamir needs to make it clearer in such scenes, because since their chemistry is missing - it's hard to figure out what the character feels for Kakun in situations like this.
I hope that things will move a little faster now, because the episode, overall, was slowpaced. The story-line going with Sid and Preeti is interesting, though, and also Gayo being suspicious about Rahul and Kakun is sensible, in my opinion. It's time that she started noticing that they love each other, considering that she is Rahul's mother and knows his heart. I'm still waiting for more people to find out about Aman, because if the episodes drag like this - well, I don't think there'll be any point in watching them, then. (For me, that is.)
Addition: I'm beginning to get quite sick and tired of repeating to the writers that they should give Devi more screen-space, especially scenes between her and Kakun. It's time that she's brought back full force, and that she realizes something's wrong with Kakun. Devi is and always has been an important character and she should be given justice to. She's not only a great character, but also an incredible actress. So, bring her back and give her importance justice - and for God's sake, she's Kakun's mother, so make her realize that her daughter's not living happily ever after in La La Land. Sheesh.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Thanks Elysia, still not sure whether im going to watch the 87-88 episode, think ill wait till the end of next week and depending on the response, especially urs, i may watch all 4 together.

However even without watching i do think ur right abt Aman-KK relationship; no matter how nice a person KK is suppose to be she cannot forget that Aman is the destroyer of all her happiness.

1st- he ended KK realationship with her sis even before she could have one. Neither of them could make up or seek forgiveness, especially NainaB and SHE WANTED TOO.

2nd- he took a daughter away from her mother deliberately without any thought or care to who he was going to hurt. it wasnt out of love for KK but out wanting and getting his own way. Putting his ego first.

3rd- he KNEW that KK and Rahul loved each other, that KK was sacrificing her love for her sis. That Rahul found this out, that if it wasnt for him they would be together.

4th- he BETRAYED KK trust; her trust in him, in their friendship, in her belief that their r ppl who help out for no mutlub.

5th- he knowingly allowed Rahul, his own bro that the blame for a crime he didnt commit. Breaking all bonds of blood not only with bro but with his parents and Dadi.

6th- he knowingly tried to make it out that Rahul was insensitive and callous so that KK would come closer to him.

7th- in telling KK he showed no remorse, (i dont know abt the 88 episode as i havent watched it) he showed no pity or concern to wht she was feeling going through.

8th- he has BLACKMAILED her into staying married to him.

If it was just 1 or 2 of the above, maybe just maybe she could show a little sympathy but not for all the above!

If we r not to have a Rakun relationship at least lets have revenge! Lets see a real battle between Aman-KK; sweet and nice in front of everyone but getting even to ie whn she faked the ankle injury!

But at the moment from wht ive seen and know read shes becoming wishy-washy! Thats not fair to KDMH or the fans if we cant have ROMANCE THEN LETS HAVE WAR!
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Posted: 16 years ago
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I am left speechless everytime u make a thread on this forum of KDMH Elysia. Brilliant mind and thunder-striking word choice👏
Yes I agree with u mostly.
Though Aman is everything that u have said, in KK and his scenes sometimes I see the glance of the old Aman. Yes he has killed 2 women which makes him a beast, but the goodness in him is still there. He is human who has both shares of evil and goodness in him. I shouldn't empathize him, but the goodness in him in the past scenes make it hard to forget and I feel that the old Aman is still there. I have a feeling that he will eventually open up to the truth to everyone as he cannot bare to see and feel hw disappointed KK is with him.
Rahul and KK scenes....well in their scenes mostly I see Rahul as he doesn't have any more feelings for KK and is moving on with his life. Yes he runs into her in the house but cares for her like a human does for another. He's bak to acting the way he did when KK first entered the house with a stay order as his wife. In the scene this Sat when he was putting ice on her hand...he wiped away her tears...that gave me the lil hope to hold on to that he and KK will unite someday.
Rahul and Naina...high chances that their scene will go to their wedding day. Yes Aamir Ali and Sanjeeda are real-life couples, but they don't share chemistry as yet bwt each other's characters. He shares more chemistry with Abigail on screen.
Devi is definitely talented and must comeback soon. I want her to know the truth about Aman so she cud help KK to expose him.
Gayu seeing Rahul and KK often together alone has given her the reason y she thinks Aman has turned to alcohol and will now go to any limits to get Rahul away frm her and bring KK and Aman together. We will be seeing more of Gayu's distaste in KK in coming episodes for sure and will command Rahul to get married!
Preeti and Sid....well now Sid is certain of Preeti's intentions...Im not sure wat game will he play. He can divorce her but for the unborn child he will have to think another way.
This show is going out of proportion! Ekta is surely continuing this drama as it has been a hit for the money and will drag this as long as she can. Aamir and Sanjeeda who will be hosting NB4, not sure if they'll be able to devote their time and talent to both shows and outside peforming for special events as their demand is HIGH!
It hurts to see this drama every Friday/Saturdays...but I can't help it! Just have to see how this mess clears up or....gets distorted even more. To keep the viewers watching...Ekta brings more Rahul and KK scenes..which r the secret ingredients and has worked on me for sure.
I wonder hw Aamir acts on sets now that Sanjeeda is part of the show...has he disconnected with Abigail? I think so on both screen and off screen.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Very well put and I agree with you. I apologize if this offends anyone but Aman cannot be redeemed. He is a cold blooded MURDERER, a CRIMINAL and a heartless brother and son. I can never forgive a person who take another person's life. Aman did not care for his family, his brother, Bhasin family, Kaakun; but only cared for his own self. He does not love Kaakun, if he loved her then he would not have treated her in such ruthless way. He just wants to own her, he wants to control her feelings. Her love for Rahul even after the marriage annoys him; that is precisely the reason for his anger and disappointment. There is no remorse from his side, no guilt for the murders he commited. He is more proud of his past actions than feeling remorse 🤢

I want to see Devi fighting for her daughter. She should do something to give justice; If she thinks Rahul is the killer then she should try to search for clues against him. She should DO something.
I like Naina and Rahul's relation. They started out as strangers, they made no difference in their each other's lives, they were two people who were already dumped with many other things in their life to notice each other or fall for each other in one glance. He was just a person whom she loathed like her other cases. Slowly that lead to a new found admiration and trust; admiration from her side and trust from his side. Rahul not only lost her childhood friend he lost his willpower, his love and the trust of Kaakun. The only person he dared to trust during the gloomy time was Naina. Naina on another side learned to admire Rahul's selfless love & his want to sacrifice his own life for it. Slowly it lead to understanding and comfort. They understood each other without having a romantic relation with each other. Both found their comfort zone around each other; they find it easy to be their own selves around each other. It all lead to a new friendship; friendship which is one of most purest relationship of the world, the relation I loved in KDMH before was Aman and Kaakun's friendship and it saddened me when they showed that it was just a farce. I hope Ekta gives better treatment to Friendship in future and stop making a joke of it every time. Rahul and Naina's foundation is not love the initial ingredients are not love and passion it is understanding, comfort, friendship and trust which I find very, very likeable.
I hope directors dont make marriage, love and friendship a joke any more. Rahul should marry Naina only if he thinks he can do justice to the relationship. I am in no mood to watch another joke being made out of the sacred institution of marriage. If he thinks he should get married to make his family happy then IT WILL BE WRONG. It is better if he continue being her friend only. If he agrees then I will be forced to believe that he has no respect for the institution of marriage at all.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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elysia the minute i saw the title topic 'aman-kk relationship' i got all ready to share my comments but dear your warning in bold letters on the top is giving me second thoughts. am i allowed to post comments here? maybe i should spill out my thoughts on aman-kk relationship in another thread later with u guys.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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your amzing elysia you crack me up
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Posted: 16 years ago
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First, thank you for all the incredible replies. If I had known that people had so much to say and vent about Aman and Kakun - I would definitely have made this thread earlier. Heh. And, soulfry, you don't have to ask permission for posting anything in this thread. The reason that I have written the warning is because I don't know how easily, how little or much it takes to hurt or insult a Naina Oberoi-fan, and I don't want to take any chances. Therefore I have put up the warning. But feel free to reply in this thread, hun.
shasha, you're completely right about all the things Aman has done to Kakun. I also understand your worry about watching the episodes. I would not have watched it myself, if it hadn't been for the much talked about Rahul-Kakun scenes, and another reason for watching it was because I wanted to be able to express my opinion about the course of the show in case any of the writers should happen to pop by. Heh. I also think that they should heat up under the Aman-Kakun war, because it's definitely worth watching. Mridul and Abigail have incredible chemistry on-screen, as friends and as enemies. It's amazing to watch them when they fight, very entertaining. Heh.

I am left speechless everytime u make a thread on this forum of KDMH Elysia. Brilliant mind and thunder-striking word choice

Thank you, nac587, and now you're embarressing me 😳

Though Aman is everything that u have said, in KK and his scenes sometimes I see the glance of the old Aman. Yes he has killed 2 women which makes him a beast, but the goodness in him is still there. He is human who has both shares of evil and goodness in him. I shouldn't empathize him, but the goodness in him in the past scenes make it hard to forget and I feel that the old Aman is still there. I have a feeling that he will eventually open up to the truth to everyone as he cannot bare to see and feel hw disappointed KK is with him.

True. In the 88th episode, the last scene between him and Kakun, it was very clear that Aman still exists in him somewhere, deep down. He comes up in glimpses, but the problem is that one person can have split personalities, but it's not possible to be Aman-good and Aman-bad at once, because there's a huge dark hole between the two. Aman-good was caring, loving and giving - but Aman as bad is careless, selfish and cruel. A man, who has no respect for women, how can he ever care for one? If he truly felt remorse, if he truly wanted to give Kakun her happiness back, he would turn himself in. He would apologize for killing her sister, no matter how lame that might sound. But he hasn't even tried to apologize, regardless of whether she will forgive or not. The problem with Aman's character is that he's a gray zone. We don't know what he is, who he is. All we know is that he killed two women, and while he did so, he acted like a psychopatic lunatic. (Which is the same thing. But whatever.) And that he is now seeming less psycho for God knows (or rather the writers know) what reason. It makes no sense!

Rahul and KK scenes....well in their scenes mostly I see Rahul as he doesn't have any more feelings for KK and is moving on with his life. Yes he runs into her in the house but cares for her like a human does for another. He's bak to acting the way he did when KK first entered the house with a stay order as his wife.

Precisely. Rahul now reminds me of the way he was around Kakun, when he was still in love with Naina Basin. That's the worst part for me about every episode that comes up.

I hope directors dont make marriage, love and friendship a joke any more.

Mita, you're so right. With all the marriages and divorces and outside marriage affairs - it's just been too much.

your amzing elysia you crack me up

Oh man. Is that a compliment? 😉
Now, I know that I write a whole lot of crap, but I just have a little more to say, so please, don't fall asleep yet, guys 😛
I have something to say about Gayo's character. We all know that Aman is her favorite son, the closest to her heart, which is really interesting, because how is she going to feel when she finds out that her little favorite warrior has murdered two women in the past? Her perfect image of her perfect son is going to shatter into little tiny pieces. I really hope that the writers do not forget that Gayo's reaction is one of the most important reactions to Aman's final show-down.
I wonder if the reason Gayo is so concerned about bringing Kakun closer to Aman is because she senses that something is wrong with Aman. Maybe she knows, deep down, that he has changed, but her mother-heart is suppressing the thought and pulling other things into the front, such as Rahul's relationship with Kakun being the reason for Aman's depression. I don't know. It's a thought. However, I think that it would be really impactful (impactful? Is that even a word?) if Gayo was the one to put Aman in prison. Imagine the betrayal Aman would feel, imagine how hard and heart-breaking it would be for Gayo that in order to bring Naina Basin justice, she would have to turn against her own son.
Man, I can just imagine the scene when she has him arrested. The pain and agony on her face, when he looks at her, confused, then understanding what's going on, and then the heart-shattering painful smile on his face, when she tells him that she did it to save him.
Okay, I know. I need to get a hobby 😆
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Posted: 16 years ago
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But can Gayo do it is the question? When Rahul was caught as NainaO murderer she insisted that he was innocent, ok we know he was innocent but the evidence including Rahul confession meant that he was guilty.

I know that there is mother intuition but why didnt the rest have doubts?

I agree with you the best would be for her to find out, you can imagine the disbelief, confusion, pain, betrayal that'll she'll feel especially as he is the son she is closest too.

Also remember when at the engagement and he came late he said he had learned from his mother the respect due to women so how could she think he would stand kk up etc etc

The conflict comes does she hide what he did and in doing so her life, kk life, Devi life etc are forever destroyed or does she prove that when she told Devi that NainaO was like a daughter to her and forgets that Aman is her son but in fact her 'daughter' killer?

Still havent watched the episodes though i am VERY TEMPTED but as Rahul seems to have turned cold once again to kk after all that she has done once again, even after saying that she doesnt have to speak but he understands- i hate it that HE DOESNT!
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Posted: 16 years ago
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I can imagine that Gayo will remain silent at first. If I understand her character by now, she will watch Aman and look for signs, proof to support her suspicions. When she is sure, she will continue to remain silent in order to search for a solution, which can help her evade turning her son in. But she has too good a heart to do anything that will mean injustice to anyone. Even when Kakun lived in the house by force during earlier episodes, and her husband was planning something that she felt was wrong - she has a conscious and has already been the brain of the elders, in my opinion.
But you're right. The question is whether she is going to act? Otherwise, her knowing about Aman is just pointless. However, I don't think anyone should dwell too much on earlier spoken dialogues, because the writers don't seem to find them very important. Either they have forgotten about those gazillion promises coming from Rahul - or they merely don't care much about their worth.
I know exactly how you feel about Rahul. Every time I watch an episode, every Rahul-Kakun scene makes me weep inside. Because it's so painful to watch them like this. Kakun trying to seek comfort from Rahul, and Rahul distancing himself from her. I wish Kakun paid him back double. He would writhe like a snake in pain if she ever gave him the cold shoulder. Kakun, pull yourself together!
And please, writers, don't you think it's time for Kakun to care just a little about her mother + dead sister? If you're not going to show her acting to bring Naina justice - then at least show Kakun mourning over her death once in a while. Maybe staring at Naina's picture, or talking to it? Anything, sheesh. Her sister is dead, and she's serving breakfast to the killer. Nicely done.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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I take back that Kakun isn't thinking about putting Aman in prison for what he has done. But before taking it back completely, I hope that today's episode isn't a teaser as to what the next episodes are going to be about, because that means Kakun will forget about her mission again. And we just got back on track
Aman: YOU WILL DIE, do you hear me? (not die literally, but in the sense of a life in prison, that's as well as death, I wager).

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