too much naina not enough rakun!

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hey guys,
as much as this weeks episodes were so much better then the last few weeks its still not the same as before- the build up to the wedding we had rahul and kk in all scenes and u could really feel the emotion between them especially whn tanu was unconscience!
the last few episodes have been a showcase 4 naina oberoi even this weeks she told kk the truth! i wanted kk 2 find out by her self that rahul is innocent! also the whole monologue thing-y in the car and her office didn't need it- less time 4 rahul and kk!
also there was no emotion from kk whn she read the text naina left; that she knew kk was her sis and she wanted her and rahul to b 2gether! u'd think that all thats happened is cause kk did it 4 naina ekta would spend at least 5 mins on it!
also every1 4gotten that RAHUL IS INNOCENT and naina real murderer is still at large! rahul knew b4 and u'd think he'd try 2 find out, even whn kk knew rahul is innocent u'd think she'd want to find her sis murderer some love they had 4 her!
anyway lets c wht unfolds i just hope that it picks up with more rekun scenes and less naina 1s but i dont think so and i bet u naina falls 4 rahul 2!

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Posted: 17 years ago
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i dont want less naina scenes. i want more naina scenes. ekta bring it on babay 😃 there are always dozens of scenes focusiing on senior citizens' lectures, like bebe, moms,dads etc then why not naina? i say the more the merrier. they had to showcase naina coz its a new character. the other characters have been hanging for 80 episodes so there wasnt need to re-showcase those characters hence the showcasing naina. i am loving the way naina's character is devoloping and each and every scene was neccessary for the current/future plot. and i always knew kk would have to rely on a third person. she didnt have that strong of a trust on him. if it wasnt for naina, she would continued hating rahul.

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Posted: 17 years ago
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no me also wnt rakun scenes
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Posted: 17 years ago
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that is so true there's too much of naina with her basket ball n much less of rahul....n kk..i want more scenes 2 lol
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: farina_m

that is so true there's too much of naina with her basket ball n much less of rahul....n kk..i want more scenes 2 lol



sweetheart i havent even seen a glimpse of any basket or ball or baskeball in this entire week or did i miss something 😕 and there was an only 2 minute scene of naina on saturday, not last sat (6thsept). its only the last episode where there was a focus on the growth and changes in naina's character, the makers have to develop her character coz its a new one. and almost all the episodes for the past 2 weeks focused heavily on rahul (not that iam complaining. i like it) if the writers totally ignore some aspects and choose only to focus on certain things then it can only dampen the story. thats why we have twists and turns and shocks every now and then in ekta soaps.
Edited by soulfry - 17 years ago
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Posted: 17 years ago
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I agree with everyone else. The story and show's heart is Rahul and Kakun, and they've been neglected ever since Naina's murder. It's fine that Ekta wanted a new character on the show - even though I didn't think it nessecary, what with all the other characters that could've been developed - but there's no need to focus so much on Sanjeeda's character. This isn't about her. I absolutely love Sanjeeda's acting, she's so talented. But her character doesn't need all that screen-space, because it's not important to the fans. We don't watch the show for Naina's lawyer-skills. We watch it for Rahul and Kakun. They are the heart and soul of this serial.
I also think that a lot of details have been neglected, details that were important in many ways. For instance I find it strange that there are rarely any Devi-Kakun scenes - considering that Kakun is the only daughter, bloodrelated, that Devi has left, she should be overprotective, not distant from Kakun. And also I find it strange that Kakun hasn't shown more compassion for her mother's pain, and been there for her. Not to forget how Kakun should be grieving a little more about Naina, since she was ready to sacrifice her own life for Naina's happiness - I don't see the grief of her loss now that her sister's been killed.
And by the way; when Kakun found out that Rahul wasn't the killer, shouldn't she have wondered then who was? Shouldn't she have been furious or terrified about the fact that Naina's killer was still on the loose? And what about Rahul? Shouldn't he have thought about that by taking the blame on himself for Naina's murder, he was letting her real killer walk free?
No one knows that Aman is the real killer - except Kakun, and I even think that's some weird dream Aman's having.
No one knows that Kakun is Naina's real sister, Devi's real daughter.
No one knows - except from Devi - that Rahul is the one who betrayed Kakun in Kolkatta, and that she was right all along.
We don't know who Kakun's real father is, either. I'm curious about that one, too.
There are so many holes that needs to be filled. I really hope that Ekta's not going to stop this serial soon, because it's really getting interesting. Even though I'm thinking it'll stop before October.
Back to my point; I'm missing the spark and chemistry between Rahul and Kakun - the spark and chemistry which was there before she got married and he became all self-sacrificing-ish. Which is far from logical.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: Elysia

I also think that a lot of details have been neglected, details that were important in many ways. For instance I find it strange that there are rarely any Devi-Kakun scenes - considering that Kakun is the only daughter, bloodrelated, that Devi has left, she should be overprotective, not distant from Kakun. And also I find it strange that Kakun hasn't shown more compassion for her mother's pain, and been there for her. Not to forget how Kakun should be grieving a little more about Naina, since she was ready to sacrifice her own life for Naina's happiness - I don't see the grief of her loss now that her sister's been killed.
And by the way; when Kakun found out that Rahul wasn't the killer, shouldn't she have wondered then who was? Shouldn't she have been furious or terrified about the fact that Naina's killer was still on the loose? And what about Rahul? Shouldn't he have thought about that by taking the blame on himself for Naina's murder, he was letting her real killer walk free?
No one knows that Aman is the real killer - except Kakun, and I even think that's some weird dream Aman's having.
No one knows that Kakun is Naina's real sister, Devi's real daughter.

No one knows - except from Devi - that Rahul is the one who betrayed Kakun in Kolkatta, and that she was right all along.
We don't know who Kakun's real father is, either. I'm curious about that one, too.
There are so many holes that needs to be filled. I really hope that Ekta's not going to stop this serial soon, because it's really getting interesting. Even though I'm thinking it'll stop before October.
Back to my point; I'm missing the spark and chemistry between Rahul and Kakun - the spark and chemistry which was there before she got married and he became all self-sacrificing-ish. Which is far from logical.



welcome to the forum elysia 😊 good to have you here.
dear i agree with the above points but then again its BT (balaji telefilms) its ekta kapoor. expecting logic from any of her show is bigger than asking for a moon. when did ekta ever, ever ever concentrated on tying up loose ends? well never

now coming to kakun-rahul's current positition- lets remember the fact that its only WE/US/U/ME-the viewers who are aware of aman's villanious side, nobody else is still aware of his other side.
only we know Aman is the bad guy not kk or rahul or the punj family. it'll be bizarre to expect rahul to have an intimate moment with her NOW when she is aman's wife, ekta wouldn't glorify extra-marital affair. for rahul.. kakun is his brother's lawfully wedded wife, his sister-in-law. he will not behave in the same fashion or manner in which he used to with her before. it would be like promoting adultery or bigamy or things like that until and unless aman's reality comes out in the open (with a aman-kk divorce) it would be quite strange to expect either rahul or kakun to be all lovey-dovey with each other. thats why both of them are keeping a safe distance hence the lack of chemistry. they themselves would feel guilty doing anything close to romance. rahul would feel like he is cheating his brother.

now moving to devi-kk. well devi very recently went through the pain of losing her child, the daughter whom she loved for more than 20 years, the daughter who grew up in front of her eyes, devi was emotionally and mentally a lot more attached to naina than kakun. yes kk is her own blood but lets not forget devi is totally shattered by naina's sudden death to bond with kakun, who by the way is now a bahu of the punj family (devi currently hates the family for obvious reasons) on the other hand we saw devi feeling an unusual, strong and deep connection with naina oberoi, she may not be her biological daughter but she just couldnt help but find traces of her lost daughter in her. she reminded her of her own naina and that is why she was shown craving to meet naina even when she had no solid reasons for meeting. coz at those moments, she was missing naina plus the lawyer naina was the only source of some happiness, positivity she received at that time. i personally loved the whole naina.o-devi interactions. that was a beautiful nameless bond though it lasted for a short time 👏


Originally posted by: Elysia



I agree with everyone else. The story and show's heart is Rahul and Kakun, and they've been neglected ever since Naina's murder. It's fine that Ekta wanted a new character on the show - even though I didn't think it nessecary, what with all the other characters that could've been developed - but there's no need to focus so much on Sanjeeda's character. This isn't about her. I absolutely love Sanjeeda's acting, she's so talented. But her character doesn't need all that screen-space, because it's not important to the fans. We don't watch the show for Naina's lawyer-skills. We watch it for Rahul and Kakun. They are the heart and soul of this serial.



does this everyone equals to everyone? then i dont fall in this category though i watch this show and is a part of the audience as much as everyone else is was and will be.

i dont think either rahul or kakun have been neglected post naina's murder. but it depends on 'neglect' in which sense... they surely have not been neglected in terms of screen-presence. but if u mean in terms of 'rahul-kakun' love track then YES. and i've given my reasons above already.

now coming to the highlighted part in bold (its regd sanjeeda) i think its very necessary to give substantial focus to naina (sanjeeda)'s character not saying to give her all the screen-time but substantial YES coz that character needs to develop, its a new entry. we know rahul, kakun, aman etc inside out but we dont know much abt naina. and i agree with you on sanjeeda's acting. i love her acting too and i admire her for always pushing the envelope rather than playing safe, she is a talented performer and that is another reason i dont want her talent to get wasted
at any cost. it should be utilized now that she has entered. why would an actress of her caliber play an extra? i am sure ekta will not pay a heavy sum to a background artist. 😉 and my dear where did she get too much screen presence? i can go on posting the exact screen time she got till date and it is definitely not more than most of the characters. and from a producer's point of view its safer to donate screen time to someone like sanjeeda than say a preeti bhabhi or bebe (whose bhashans are boring and who by the way gets loads of screen footage) the only bit of the entire post of urs which to some extent provoked me to write a reply is this part '--> it's not important to the fans'

now who are these fans? fans can be categorized into many categories. fans who watch the show(not getting too worked up abt any issues just for the sake of watching) then we have fans of the actors, who are watching only for their favourite actors/actress and is not too bothered about the story and there are some who like a particular jodi/couple and wants to see them together to watch the romantic scenes and stuff. this is how all ekta shows basically all indian shows fans are categorized. now for kdmh, the show, each and every fan (i'd rather use the word viewer) viewer is important. for the makers each and every single viewer should be important. infact the makers try hard to increase the viewership the makers try to add more fans to their list. and by adding sanjeeda to the show, they directly attracted her fans to the show. now they got a new set of people who watches the show along with the loyal kdmh fans (who were there before) now this is a profit for ekta and team. now to make sure these new viewers dont quit watching (if they see sanjeeda is not playing anything worthy they will) so they are also focusing on her but not ignoring any other zones. the creative team will not ruin themselves by ignoring any major characters or actors coz they cant afford to 😊 now if u ask any sanjeeda fans, the screen-space, the importance of the character is very important. no fan would like his or her favourite to play extra or get no importance. i am sure as a fan (if u are of anyone) you will know it. so dear its extremely important. forget fans sometimes even a neutral person feel bad if a good actor gets wasted. iam sure fans would no way say its not important. it varies from person to person. not everyone got the same taste. what might not be important to 5 people can be very important to one person.

now this naina oberoi character for sure is hell of an important character.. why? well she is the person who leaked the whole truth. she is the one who injected the whole reality of rahul (he loving her, he is innocent) thing inside kakun's brain. kk didnt have faith in her love (she is justified and might have her own reasons but thats another topic) naina is the one who is instrumental in saving rahul. if she presented the tape in court rahul would have been behind bars all his life and his evil brother aman would have went to a honeymoon trip with wifey kakun leaving rahul to stay in jail all his life. naina's contribution to the entire plot is quite a lot now. its important ...it sure is. many people adore sanjeeda for them it is important, for the story of kdmh, the character is important.(lets not forget naina's contribution, if naina wasnt there then kk would have still went on with her slapping/taunting rahul marathon) and for the story naina is important.

i can understand the fear of a possible triangle building inside rahul-kakun ki jodi fans but that just cannot be helped. trust me i was the first one who was against triangles. (i am always against love triangles in any show not just kdmh) and how many love triangles can we digest? but then again that is the world BT and k-maiyya for you. even saintly, ideal lovers and husbands like mihir virani,om agarwal, karan etc married more than once some years ago. that didnt affect kyunki saas or kahaani's ratings and money still used to flow in BT office, starplus still remained the no.1 channel, loyal fans still stuck to the show. that is ekta's hit formula and she uses that in all her shows. love it, hate it but cannot ignore it.
Edited by soulfry - 17 years ago
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[quote]welcome to the forum elysia 😊 good to have you here.[/quote]
Thank you so much :) It's an awsome forum.
Now that I've read your reply and thought about it, I think that you're right about several things. I'd like to point out what I think that you're right about, and what I disagree about, if you don't mind :)
[quote]it'll be bizarre to expect rahul to have an intimate moment with her NOW when she is aman's wife, ekta wouldn't glorify extra-marital affair. for rahul.. kakun is his brother's lawfully wedded wife, his sister-in-law. he will not behave in the same fashion or manner in which he used to with her before. it would be like promoting adultery or bigamy or things like that until and unless aman's reality comes out in the open (with a aman-kk divorce) it would be quite strange to expect either rahul or kakun to be all lovey-dovey with each other. thats why both of them are keeping a safe distance hence the lack of chemistry. they themselves would feel guilty doing anything close to romance. rahul would feel like he is cheating his brother.
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Yes, it would be really bizarre, because naturally it's not viewed as a positive thing to romance with your own brother's wife - or anyone else's wife for that matter. But there's no need to show intimate scenes between Rahul and Kakun, because their glances say a lot - and I know that since they're trying to keep a distance to each other, there won't be any scenes between them. But that doesn't diminish the fact that they were madly in love, and you can't just turn off such feelings like a switch. I'm missing the more natural way of distancing each other than this sudden mountain between them. I don't know if I'm making any sense here, but it's how I feel about their relationship at the moment.
As for the promoting adultery etc. I don't quite follow you, because what do we call it when Rahul - married to Kakun in the earlier episodes - was having a relationship to Naina?
[quote]now moving to devi-kk. well devi very recently went through the pain of losing her child, the daughter whom she loved for more than 20 years, the daughter who grew up in front of her eyes, devi was emotionally and mentally a lot more attached to naina than kakun. yes kk is her own blood but lets not forget devi is totally shattered by naina's sudden death to bond with kakun, who by the way is now a bahu of the punj family (devi currently hates the family for obvious reasons) on the other hand we saw devi feeling an unusual, strong and deep connection with naina oberoi, she may not be her biological daughter but she just couldnt help but find traces of her lost daughter in her. she reminded her of her own naina and that is why she was shown craving to meet naina even when she had no solid reasons for meeting. coz at those moments, she was missing naina plus the lawyer naina was the only source of some happiness, positivity she received at that time. i personally loved the whole naina.o-devi interactions. that was a beautiful nameless bond though it lasted for a short time [/quote]
I agree about her attachment to both Nainas. But I simply don't find her reaction toward Kakun normal. Devi just refound her daughter. Then she lost Naina. It would be natural of her to be afraid of losing Kakun, too, no matter how strong their bond is or isn't. She was the one to speak about how there was no difference between Naina and Kakun, that they were both her daughters, and that she wouldn't see one daughter unhappy at the cost of another. She does love Kakun, and therefore she should be afraid of losing her, which should make her somewhat overprotective. Not in the full sense of the word, but she should've shown some concern for her. We saw a little part of it in last week's episode, which was nice.
[quote]does this everyone equals to everyone? then i dont fall in this category though i watch this show and is a part of the audience as much as everyone else is was and will be. [/quote]
I apologize that I didn't make myself clearer. I meant everyone else who'd posted in this thread, of course. I can't know if the entire world thinks the same. Heh.
[quote]now who are these fans? fans can be categorized into many categories. fans who watch the show(not getting too worked up abt any issues just for the sake of watching) then we have fans of the actors, who are watching only for their favourite actors/actress and is not too bothered about the story and there are some who like a particular jodi/couple and wants to see them together to watch the romantic scenes and stuff. this is how all ekta shows basically all indian shows fans are categorized. now for kdmh, the show, each and every fan (i'd rather use the word viewer) viewer is important. for the makers each and every single viewer should be important. infact the makers try hard to increase the viewership the makers try to add more fans to their list. and by adding sanjeeda to the show, they directly attracted her fans to the show. now they got a new set of people who watches the show along with the loyal kdmh fans (who were there before) now this is a profit for ekta and team. now to make sure these new viewers dont quit watching (if they see sanjeeda is not playing anything worthy they will) so they are also focusing on her but not ignoring any other zones. the creative team will not ruin themselves by ignoring any major characters or actors coz they cant afford to 😊 now if u ask any sanjeeda fans, the screen-space, the importance of the character is very important. no fan would like his or her favourite to play extra or get no importance. i am sure as a fan (if u are of anyone) you will know it. so dear its extremely important. forget fans sometimes even a neutral person feel bad if a good actor gets wasted. iam sure fans would no way say its not important. it varies from person to person. not everyone got the same taste. what might not be important to 5 people can be very important to one person.[/quote]
You have made an important point there. And I agree with you.
But as for Sanjeeda's character, I can't agree. Yes, she did tell Kakun the truth. She did make sure that Rahul was released from the prison. But all this could've happened without the addition of her character. Things could've happened differently, but this is how Ekta wanted it to happen. I simply don't see why there's been added a new character, when there's a lot that can be done with the ones that are already existing on the show. Personally I think it's already too much with all the blackmailing Preeti has been doing - it took maybe ten minutes of the show, ten precious minutes in which I would've liked to have seen a conversation between Rahul and Kakun. I'm a die-hard fan of the jodi, so I can't help missing that.
Likewise with the Basket Ball scenes or generally the Naina scenes. I don't find watching her play Basket Ball for four minutes very interesting. Nor do I find her repetitive wondering about why Rahul would want to sacrifice so much for one woman very interesting. I don't think it's off with her character. I think it's off with the timing. Right now there's a lot of distance between Rahul and Kakun, so when I watch an episode, I hope that there will be some kind, any kind of interaction between them. When the focus is taken off either them or Aman or any of those characters that I find interesting, I get a little annoyed. I do think that Naina can become a substantial character, that there's a lot they can do with her and that Sanjeeda will show justice to her character - but the timing to focus on her is just not right for me, because I'm more interested in the conflicts between the brothers and Kakun, and especially the relationship between Devi and Kakun which has been developing beautifully since the bomb-blast episode.
Edited by Elysia - 17 years ago
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hey Elysia ....i so agree wid u no offence to any1..atleast u saw the basket ball scenes (no point of them really - u cud fit in atleast 2 eyelocking sessions between rahul n kk) lol...rahul n kk are still legally married cuz he never signed the divorce papers and his signitures were forged u remember...i think they forgot about that they better not do. and the photograph where he's puttin sindoor on her forehead wonder where thats flown off too. lol...i want more scenes between rahul n kk because there the lead characters, Sanjee's character ddnt need to be introduced to be honest..like u have alredy sed..but now that it has..i dnt really see any point of it...there jus guna make a luv triangle agen n wots the point of that if they wanted to do this they shudnt hav killed the old naina .......hope they dnt do that. cuz rahul luvs kk alot! .....oh sorry welcum to the forum....no offence to anyone jus my opinion feel free to reply..😊
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Originally posted by: Elysia

[quote=soulfry]welcome to the forum elysia 😊 good to have you here.[/quote]

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