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Posted: 10 years ago
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Pheres infront of fire mangalsutra sindoor n kanyadan are the important rituals of marriage which have not happened so their marriage did not happen. Marriage starts from phera so it was not done.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: vivkriti

Pheres infront of fire mangalsutra sindoor n kanyadan are the important rituals of marriage which have not happened so their marriage did not happen. Marriage starts from phera so it was not done.




oh thank you miths! this was what i really needed to know. marriage starts from phera. so everything before...what does it mean? is it as MMM said, to clear omens only??
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Mina, marriage starts from the engagement phase :) the families exchange promises, langa patrikas, they cite the family genealogy on both sides and it is a binding promise. Then come the ceremonies in both the bride's and groom's homes - the turmeric, the ritual baths, the mehendi all building up to the actual marriage. Then the official "seeing" of the bride and groom and exchange of gifts, the girl's side gifting the groom and the groom's family giving shagun or gifts to the girl. Then Ganesh puja and the different rituals amongst different Indian cultures, all leading to the main event. The puja to Agni then the pheras, each phera signifying a promise the couple makes to each other bequeathing a lifetime of friendship and caring and love to each other. The mangalsutra is the final mark that binds the two. Amongst South Indians, the groom places the toe ring on his new bride. Other parts of India, the maang is filled with sindoor. The saptapati or seven steps are taken and symbolize what the couple will mean to each other going forth. Then comes the kanyadhaan, giving away of the girl, and then grihapravesh, the girl entering her new home.
As you can see, Suresh and Pragya were not married in any sense, fully or partially. Your either you are born or not born reminded me of what my friend said in another context yesterday "one cannot be half pregnant." Similarly one cannot be half married.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: soapwatcher1

Mina, marriage starts from the engagement phase :) the families exchange promises, langa patrikas, they cite the family genealogy on both sides and it is a binding promise. Then come the ceremonies in both the bride's and groom's homes - the turmeric, the ritual baths, the mehendi all building up to the actual marriage. Then the official "seeing" of the bride and groom and exchange of gifts, the girl's side gifting the groom and the groom's family giving shagun or gifts to the girl. Then Ganesh puja and the different rituals amongst different Indian cultures, all leading to the main event. The puja to Agni then the pheras, each phera signifying a promise the couple makes to each other bequeathing a lifetime of friendship and caring and love to each other. The mangalsutra is the final mark that binds the two. Amongst South Indians, the groom places the toe ring on his new bride. Other parts of India, the maang is filled with sindoor. The saptapati or seven steps are taken and symbolize what the couple will mean to each other going forth. Then comes the kanyadhaan, giving away of the girl, and then grihapravesh, the girl entering her new home.
As you can see, Suresh and Pragya were not married in any sense, fully or partially. Your either you are born or not born reminded me of what my friend said in another context yesterday "one cannot be half pregnant." Similarly one cannot be half married.


You explained that beautifully soapwatcher! 👏 So at what point would you consider someone married? After the last step - the kanyadaan? Or after sindoor/toering/mangalsutra/pheras etc? I think at any point between the pheras and the final kanyadaan the "act of getting married" has "partially happened" but you're right that someone cannot be partially married. But I don't even consider the Sugya marriage even "partially done" with the act of getting married. This is different from the wedding, which encompasses the entire set of rituals, I think.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Thank you for the review Jahnvi! Really appreciate the way you have laid it out. But if we begin with a binding promise, what are the implications for that promise being broken? And I guess it doesn't matter at what stage it's broken - breaking it signals that the marriage never began. Does that make sense?
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: -mina-




oh thank you miths! this was what i really needed to know. marriage starts from phera. so everything before...what does it mean? is it as MMM said, to clear omens only??

Ya . Real ritual of marriage starts from phera
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Posted: 10 years ago
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The same scenario happened in Punar Vivah serial but the hero ran away from the mandap while doing round 4 or 5. So, marriage ritual considered incomplete!!!! Looks like such scenes do happen often in serial world!!!!!!

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