implications of a partially solemnized marriage?

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Posted: 10 years ago
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hello all

so help me out

pragya and suresh were almost married

they didn't finish

but they did complete some of the ritual/stages

possible implications of this?

edit to clarify: i'm asking in real life/cultural terms. on the show it will mean nothing because it didn't happen. i imagine in life it's mostly the same. but still?

disclaimer: mostly i'm asking because i want to use a line like "but now we're 87% married!" in a future fanfic. and also i want to think unseemly thoughts about how pragya will divide her life between two husbands.

serious and non serious answers both welcome. apologies for any disrespect felt - none intended!
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Lkb79 thumbnail
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I guess that would depend on Abhigya are even really divorced...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Lkb79

I guess that would depend on Abhigya are even really divorced...



either way

i mean you don't play with sacred rituals without consequences

at least not in my story worlds 😛
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Okay so I'm not too sure what works in the serial world and in other cultures so I'm saying this from what I have understood about indian weddings(Gujju ones are slightly different so using that to explain and mine)
Most of the rituals at the beginning are to actually ward of evil, "invite God" to shower their blessings and let the wedding be completed in peace.

The agni(fire) is actually the most significant as they usually say that the fire is the sole witness of being bound in matrimony( Fire being derived from a never ending force i.e. Sun) and that as long as the fire is not extinguished, the wedding is considered sacred for the world, However, as Abhi put the fire out before they had completed the pheras, it might not count.

The pheras themselves have significance (as he sort of mentioned in the corporator episode) in that you are stating how with body, mind and soul you're joining as one. Incomplete pheras(what looked like just one) will then mean that they have not been joined in marriage.

Then there is the actual mangalsutra and Sindoor. Those also have importance in that they are physical aspects binding the two people together, hence why women stop wearing sindoor if their spouse passes away. I'm not too sure but I think someone I know mentioned that it is to signify that your husband is alive(red like blood flowing through him) and till he is alive, he will always protect you(that's why it is on the head) {This might not be true. just mentioning what I have heard}


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Posted: 10 years ago
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Well, the phere is when the vows are taken but since Sugya haven't taken any yet...I wouldn't really think that there would be any implications. At least in my mind. PLus all the super important stuff like phere, saptapadi, mangalsutra, sindoor, kanyadaan haven't happened. Sorry to disappoint in terms of the Pragya and her 1.87 husbands scenario!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: -mina-



either way

i mean you don't play with sacred rituals without consequences

at least not in my story worlds 😛



@bold - True. However, signing on divorce papers is entirely a legal matter and the wedding rituals very "religious"(for lack of a better word)

It boils down to the fact that were those rituals taken lightly by both of them. For pragya she was finding it hard to let go, even after the divorce, showing that she would rather have committed suicide than getting re-married. Abhi to a certain extent redeemed himself by not letting them get completely married. I'm very much a believer that marriage is the bonding of two souls and if you're married, you should stay married.

Sorry, It's not much of an insight.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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awesome!! thank you so much mini me.

i guess because the final, outward-show rituals like sindoor and mangal sutra were not completed, it really obviously has no force. and the dramatics of ending the fire mid-pheras too symbolizes a definitive disruption.

so i suppose from a sacramental point of view marriage is a fundamental state. you can't be almost married the way you can't be almost dead or almost born...

i should stop myself before i get too...much.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: -mina-



either way

i mean you don't play with sacred rituals without consequences

at least not in my story worlds 😛



CONSEQUENCES?!!! For one's actions?? Those exist? Now you're just getting crazy. 😆
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Posted: 10 years ago
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thank you rani! ooh very helpful to have the names of the rest of the rituals!!

i was thinking about suresh. this was supposed to be his real wedding. pragya's been through the almost several times but she actually made it through once so this really is much less important for her than for him.

uhhh i don't know if i can explain what i mean. just...it was or should have been pretty damn real to him, na?

pragya was lost in her traumatized denial, and her acceptance of the idea never came from the same place as suresh - i thought he was more into it than her ultimately.

oh yeah the part where abhi literally has to force their hands together. is their no provision against that kind of thing?
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: -mina-

awesome!! thank you so much mini me.

i guess because the final, outward-show rituals like sindoor and mangal sutra were not completed, it really obviously has no force. and the dramatics of ending the fire mid-pheras too symbolizes a definitive disruption.

so i suppose from a sacramental point of view marriage is a fundamental state. you can't be almost married the way you can't be almost dead or almost born...

i should stop myself before i get too...much.


Yes I think you can put it that way. It is either you're married or not. There cannot be a half marriage.

@bold - It was definitely as disruption. The fire going out is actually a bad omen (in all cultures that use it not too sure so can't say) in that the Gods are not pleased with the wedding/destiny does not want the wedding to happen (Yes I believe in a greater force up there) They also say once the fire has gone out, you cannot actually re-start the same fire. The havan kund(the fire pit) and sometimes infact the whole mandap has to be done up again(in gujju they do a pooja for the mandap so that all needs to be done again)

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