*Season 2, Week 25* Analysis Thread

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timbarucha83

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Posted: 8 years ago

#71

@ Grace Yes it is true that our thread activity is reduced. even last week I was able to put only one post due to my work schedule. But I am not having any problem with the track because I enjoying the makers story . I don't want that story should proceed according my expect ion.I do my guess work but still if correct I am happy if not still I am happy. When we want that story or character should behave according to our logic or expect ion and it doesn't we get dis pointed. as @LiveLife321 has said every one have his or her set of opinion according to their life journey.My funda is many times we are not able to control what happened in our own life and control or change the things related to our loves ones. so in the same way this is the writers story so it will not move according to our wish. By viewing it we can learn some thing and can analyses it. My suggestion if you don't mind is to you that consider this as the writers story and don't expect you will get your connect with the serial and story back I hope I am not hurting you by giving the suggestion. 😊😊🤗

And for writing the posts every one you should write what they feel without hesitation and to write the post or not it is and always individual decision so when I feel I should write I generally put my thoughts in the form of post.

By the way I like Yesterday's episode especially dev and sona while reliving the moment. I hope one day maker will show that phase when sona will be again pregnant with their second child and my gut felling is saying that this is going to happen I don't know when but it is going be. .

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thedramaqueen

@thedramaqueen

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Posted: 8 years ago

#72

Thanks for your post Grace.

There are two things I would like to talk about.

I absolutely love the current tracks. I said this before too... the makers are totally speaking my love language. The only shikayat I have right now is that they are failing to add that tiny miny extra meat to Sona's character both dialogues and dresses wise.
The males on the show. This show has always had the men strongly guided by women. They may not be glorified (I do not exactly know what that means... I have not seen a stronger male character on a love story based TV show in a long time, than Dev!)... However, they play a crucial role in the way the story flows.

a. I will start with my all-time favourite. Dada.. I mean, on TV, have we seen a man with better EQ than him? He adds an amazing gravity to the Boses' dynamics. Shows how, when allowed (in a largely patriarchal home) to blossom, men can be sensitive and sensible all the same😊

b. Vicky Prime example of product of bad parenting. Dev could have actually handled Vicky just fine.. Had mamaji not made a dog's dinner of all his attempts. The constant comparison to Dev is what gets Vicky down. Makers have again used Vicky very cleverly to show how a not so perfect marriage can still be made to work and how he still loves Elena. Vicky needs some guidance and no one is better placed than Dev to do it. The workout scenes where the cousins bond add that special colour and depth to the story.

c. Bijoy Pendulum ka baap... Such a strong character. Boses are back to mocking him... i.e. all is well in the Boses' world. Once he was assured that his daughter is happy, he stepped back. The point is not whether we agree with what he did/does or not. The point is, he adds to the story i.e. as a male he isn't just there in the story for the sake of it.

d. Mamaji permanent bhad wasi If there is a villain in KRPKAB, its him. He did not communicate with his wife. He mocked his son. Even now, after Dev & Sona don't care, he mocks his wife and son and technically keeps the story going.

There are numerous such examples in the show.

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Enlightened21

@Enlightened21

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Posted: 8 years ago

#73

@Lakshmi & Latha...I am glad that there are other forumites who feel the same as I felt in this regard. Infact, I had left an important character...Jatin. He was again used for Sona's support. After that he also is gaayab. I don't know what the problem are the makers having with the male characters. Anyway, after seeing the latest IF video, I hope that atleast they are using Lakshya in a positive way to connect Nikki back with her family. Hoepe he doesn't have any hidden motives behind that.

@Timba...I would like to make it clear that I have never said that the story should go in the way I felt. If you have read many of my earlier posts till 2weeks back, you would have seen me defending each character or even the makers to some extent. And moreover, I am not sure whether you felt that I am expecting romance between Devakshi. If that was the problem I would have been happy with the correcting the zip scene, yesterday's pregnancy reliving moments etc etc...So, that's not the problem. It's something else. As I said, after showing a highly emotional separation between Dev-Sona & exciting confession by Sona, followed by their reunion, everything is back to normal like the separation never happened, except for the initial hesitation from Dev. I even tried watching the episodes from Sona's first breakdown after Elena asks her that what did Dev get back in return of love and tells her that Sona was angry with herself because she couldn't love Dev...This was to see if I had missed something from Sona's part, as to why she is very cool and emotionless. It helped me to understand that as soon as Sona finds that she lacked somewhere, she without any delay starts working on it. Like as soon as she hears from Asha that trust between the partners is very important in a relation, we then see her repeating it to Dev that she trusts him; but how much it was true was questioned when she hided from Dev how she was trying to trace Khatri's house. Again even after the confession, she was seen telling Asha that she is still doubtful whether she has taken the correct step to which Asha replies love should be our strength. And, next day onwards, she is shown to be totally cool & fine. When it is shown that Dev never needed a third party's confirmation or advice to believe in his love, Sona was always shown as she needed a third party affirmation on her decisions regarding her love. And then from next day onwards, when it is shown that Dev is a weak-willed person and needs to be sent on a guilt trip, while Sona is the strong-willed person who makes every wrong right, I find it difficult to digest. If they had shown a balance between the two, this would have been more beautiful. Hope you got my point.

@DQ...I agree with all your points. And all these characters we see in daily life. But, that doesn't mean that all these characters will be there in one single family. Also, in S1 also all these characters were there with this weak points...But, because the story was weaved properly and there was a balance between every character, we never felt this injustice so visible. There was no need to make Bijoy play that joker role, in Monday's episode. Also, if needed, in S1, they could have shown Mamaji making an attempt to try to convince Ishwari atleast once; but he failed...So, what I meant is that, with such small attempts they could have shown atleast some male characters in the positive way. Now, they are on the way to show Bijoy turning jealous on Asha's fame. What was the need for that? Baba being the person who supported Asha in everything from the beginning, and being shown as the one who took the initiative to get Asha's novel published, why can't they continue showing Baba in a positive way. If Asha & Ishwari can be shown using their free time fruitfully, then it has to be applicable for Bijoy too. I started watching the show as it promised to show something hatke from other serials. If they have to follow other serials by glorifying the female characters, then where comes the difference? Also, I being a person who prefer a man who doesn't sideline his manliness & individuality for anyone's sake, i can't accept what all they are showing with Dev & Bijoy. Because Dev & Bijoy has the capability to be the other way round.

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thedramaqueen

@thedramaqueen

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Posted: 8 years ago

#74

That is the whole point though Grace.. isn't it.. The families are the way they are because of the way the people are. If they start trying to balance (and again I don't fully understand what does balancing mean) wont the characterisation get all wrong?

It is mamaji's core character to be a mute spectator. He just wants his son to become another Dev Dixit but does not want to do anything about it. He just wants his sister to be happy. That is the core characteristic and all of this contributes to the storyline.

Wasn't Bijoy always the family clown only to step in when he felt things were going out of hand? He has always struggled to do anything and that is again so common for men after their retirement.

I would argue, that they have kept the core characterisation in place, yet moved the story along fluidly.

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mehraan

@mehraan

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Posted: 8 years ago

#75

Originally posted by: grace4317
Suyash...I don't think the lack of activity in this thread has anything to do with what your previous posts. Even the forum activity has reduced a lot. Months before it used to be 30 pages in a week in our forum and this thread used to exceed 50 pages. But, now, if you see hardly 10-12 pages are made in the forum per week and number of pages in this thread also has drastically reduced.
Earlier, if it was due to the negativity in the forum that kept the members away from posting, now the current track is to blamed for it. On one side some are keeping silent because they are not happy with the track while some other are just sitting back and watching whether it is still worth spending so much of time on analysing & dissecting the episodes & characters. I belong to both this category.

The biggest blow given by the makers is that, they made the separation highly emotional & heartbreaking, while the reunion is been shown as emotionless & ice-cold. Almost 6months they kept us on our toes with Devakshi's tashan that now, except for Ishwari's nayi safar, nothing seems interesting in the show. Why I find current Devakshi scenes not interesting, is because this phase of Sona & Dev we have seen already during their courtship/marriage days. Dev as usual confused and Sona guiding him to do the right thing, we have already seen it. (Making him sit for hawan, guiding Neha to chose the dress given by Ranveer, sorting out Riya-Aryan issue are some examples...So even after 7years of separation, seeing them following the same pattern is rather turning to be boring.

Seeing me down, some from the forum tried to lift my spirits by PMing me on how the track is proceeding towards Sona recognizing her faults. I am happy if the track proceeds like that. But, tbh, I have now lost the faith in the makers. Lots of inconsistencies is making my belief strong that, they are about to wind up the show with a happily ever after ending. So, that restricts me from wasting time on this analysis & dissection. That's it.

P.S. Moreover, I have observed that the show has done total injustice to all the male characters. Dev, who was once a strong-willed person is now being shown as someone who can't even think & act on his own. To glorify Sona, made him into the most flawed character of the show. Bijoy, who was once the most fierce person (that still had a justification as it was for protecting his daughter) is being made into a joker in the last 2 episodes. Mamaji was always shown as Ishwari's puppet and mocked by his wife & son. Saurabh from the beginning was shown as a good for nothing guy; even now when he is a partner, never once it was shown that he went to the office. Then comes Vicky; even his partner in crime, RR, is shown to have a good heart over him. Ayan was shown to have an affair with his own cousin. They didn't even leave the side characters - Ayan's father, Ronita's father & Nisha's father- all here the mothers were the dominant characters. Even Khatri & the police officer were clean bowled by Sona's smartness. Ranveer, the only person who had the guts to be the man he was had to sacrifice his marriage. Bacha hua hai Kapil, Laksh & Neha's husband. What have the writers in store for them, we have to wait & see.

And surprisingly, there is one lady character, who is not over-glorified, but has stood by her husband all times supporting & guiding him, even after knowing that he is not a strong person. Ronita...I hope the makers will now not try to touch their bond to over-glorify Ronita...😕

Grace👏👏

Well pointed out...Tis is the exact reason i hve lost nterest in the show...The phase of separation was heartwrenching but the reunion n the redemption of the important characters with inconsistent writing n fast paced ruined my connection with the show!!

I dont want to go into details but ur post exactly pinpoints my frustration!

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Enlightened21

@Enlightened21

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Posted: 8 years ago

#76

Originally posted by: thedramaqueen
That is the whole point though Grace.. isn't it.. The families are the way they are because of the way the people are. If they start trying to balance (and again I don't fully understand what does balancing mean) wont the characterisation get all wrong?

It is mamaji's core character to be a mute spectator. He just wants his son to become another Dev Dixit but does not want to do anything about it. He just wants his sister to be happy. That is the core characteristic and all of this contributes to the storyline.

Wasn't Bijoy always the family clown only to step in when he felt things were going out of hand? He has always struggled to do anything and that is again so common for men after their retirement.

I would argue, that they have kept the core characterisation in place, yet moved the story along fluidly.

DQ, my complaint is not with the characterization. My complaint is the way they are not balancing the story telling.

One simple example is, Sona's guilt of hiding Soha for seven years, was washed away in one dialogue by Sona in episode 304 and Ishwari's guilt of what she did with Sona was gayab in just one conversation between the duo in episode 325. Whereas, now Dev is being taken on various guilt trips for the past 8-10 episodes. Also, though I myself have earlier said that if Bijoy was in Dev's place, he would not have survived even for 1 week, that was never meant to devaluate his support he gave to Asha as a partner. So, now by making him jealous of Asha, they are nullifying all the supports he rendered to her till now. This is again where I feel they could have balanced by showing him continue his support for Asha. Agreed about Dada on the emotional part. But, what is the problem showing atleast once he visiting office to have a discussion with Sona or atleast have some business talk with Sona or Jatin at home or over the phone.

And it is this imbalance that is causing viewers like me to make such observations on how all the male characters are shown in poor light, at some point of time. Hope you got what I am trying to convey.

Edited by grace4317 - 8 years ago

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cscs

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Posted: 8 years ago

#77

Yesterday's Devakshi scene is making me more n more connected, the number of times i watch it. It may not be break down emotional but very connecting. Their feelings are portrayed in a very subtle way. N hats off to Shaheer n Erica for performing it wonderfully.

Dev was behaving as an expectant father from the starting even before he told Sona about it. He made her sit, as standing for long is not advisable in pregnancy. He kept the phone away to avoid radiations and asked her to crib and demand according t her mood swings. Suhana may not be inside her womb ATM, but Dev was actually feeling her there only. Even for the coffee he said about not being too strong. He was living the past moments in present. When he came back with coffee, n saw the baby bump, he got emotional. He asked about the month of pregnancy as he never had known how much the belly grows. He actually stammered while saying as if feeling those emotions. When he named maternity ward for Suhana, it was the DEv Dixit, who was philanthropist n cared about society. N yes, it was always hmara bachcha for Dev Dixit. <3

Sona when got chance demanded everything she missed during her pregnancy days. She was asking for cakes, pastries which a nutritionist wouldn't have demanded. N also she got a good chance to scold already confused Dev Dixit. 😆

On superficial level, this scene appears to be very normal n casual, but it had its own depth. Loved the way they keep small detailings intact n present it in a subtle way.

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Enlightened21

@Enlightened21

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Posted: 8 years ago

#78

DQ, I am the one who have to thank you for taking time to reply to my posts and making me feel special. Thank you for it. And, as it is my family time now, I will reply to you tomorrow. 😊

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LiveLife321

@LiveLife321

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Posted: 8 years ago

#79

@Grace, There were so many instances in the recent weeks where i have logged in to IF with a pull to write my thoughts after reading some amazing analysis and fabulous write-ups then i used to logged out immediately with a thought Is this really worth it? But today after your posts, i want to pour my frustration regarding show execution in the recent times.

Two things thats bothering me alot now a days, One is lack of balance and other is lack of connectivity in the execution. Lets talk about the balance, i may differ with you here on your opinion regarding seeing the current track as their courtship period track. Because for me, their courtship period track was one such amazing track where they followed open communication from both ends till Ishwari and bijoy entered in to the couple equation which created the entire mess. Let me elaborate it, in their courtship period they have open communication because there we saw BALANCE in the form of two equals with their own opinions, arguments, understandings and if it doesn't work then agree to disagree gracefully with each other. How beautiful was that period? In Neha-Ranveer case, when Sona rooted for their love then Dev raised his concerns regarding their financial status with his Q Is only love is enough? If only she was not living in her fairy tale world and Ishwari was not eager to make herself guilt free by grabbing the opportunity in the form of ranveer then they would have saved a marriage from becoming in to disaster if not atleast those would have parted their ways with less damage if only they got some more time before their marriage. Even after the entire mess, he till now never pointed fingers at either Ishwari or Neha or Sona for not listening to his warning. Did they ever highlighted those countless great qualities in him instead of highlighting his flaws under microscope?

Do we see any such balance at present in their relationship? All i see is one way communication, one way decision making, one side right opinions where he doesn't have any own thoughts, opinions, will, wishes, emotions even if he has any then i didn't see any consideration or respect for those. Its like Sona decides the future course of action and Dev executes given instructions. She comes up with full page lecture and immediately he obeys what ever she tells, Its like let me do this so that i can save myself from listening to these long lectures. In their current relationship, all strength belongs to Sona and all guilt belongs to Dev.

Coming to connectivity, for me when they moved from Bose house to Dixit house after the 7 days stay it was like i was seeing a different Sona from mirror universe. How rude, arrogant and insensitive she was with Dev at Bose house, the moment she came to IN all i saw was the very patient, understanding DIL. Even if we take their reunion, till today i am not able to understand the trigger for her sudden realization about her love for Dev because when she suddenly ran out of bose house to express her love to Dev then we also saw a Hi5 moment between Soha and Asha saying their plan worked which means something is missing. If they want to edit certain portions then do it properly why this lazy editing? We can go on with such examples which tampered the viewers connect with the show.

Edited by LiveLife321 - 8 years ago

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ltelidevara

@ltelidevara

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Posted: 8 years ago

#80

@ Latha

Thank god you are also feeling the lack of balance in their relationship. I thought I am the only one cribbing about the uneven,and imbalanced relationship they share It hurts to see how Dev won't even argue his point nowadays. I wonder if he had any zeal as such. When Sonakshi raised the point of Iswari not waiting for him over dinner,he just realised that he is wrong? What happened to his own pain ,due to which he stayed away for seven years.

I know a mother should by all means be treated with respect and compassion. He should not prolong his aloofness towards her,I agree. Having said that he should have taken time to rekindle his equation with his mother. I believe it is not easy even with the mother. But instead of gradual healing ,the makers preferred to achieve it with one solo speech of Sonakshi.

Live in relationship. I know not only Iswari but also Dev would have definitely felt awkward for Nikki's issue. But again the same submission ... Grace. You analysed it properly. Yes. The males are shown weak,indecisive..

I fear after a while Dev will lose his ability to think,act and implement any of his thoughts. He will definitely become one such husband whose mind is tuned towards only one fact...that Sonakshi is always right.

Lakshmi

Edited by ltelidevara - 8 years ago