*Season 2, Week 25* Analysis Thread - Page 4

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Posted: 8 years ago
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@malikakas

Di, my thoughts exactly! Frankly, at this point I want Dev be hospitalized for everyone to understand what he might have gone through ALONE!
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: malikakas


Exactly how I feel! I don't have any issues with Dev apologizing either but I feel like we are going back to the old dynamic where Dev is responsible for the emotions of everyone around him without anyone having any responsibility towards him. But this time instead of it being Ishwari who guilt trips him, its Sona.

Even I dont have problem with Dev apologies ..Its fine ..if emotionally he feels he has hurt someone knowingly unknowingly then its okay to say sorry..its not gonna make him less in any way..yes This time places have been swapped its Sonakshi now..what I am sad about is..Let Dev put his opinion too during their conversation..He need not agree to her instantly or not agree to her at all..and its okay and normal.. he said absolutely nothing ..just straight agreed to what she explained him..let him place his feeling out in front of him and now I can see what u r saying ..He never kept his point of view during his conversations with Ishwari..Now it happening with Sonakshi (atleast today that happened)..It was like he was waiting for Sonakshi to push him..Every time this doesnt work..Let him sort out his equation with his mothr in his way..what and how much thier relation has changed and under what circumstances ..Sonakshi has no idea about it at all..how can few words from her make things more then normal between Dev Ishwari..why not let Dev move according to his own feelings emotions

And I'd like to point out the contradiction in Sona's actions and words. She's telling Dev about how hard it must be for a parent to be away from their child and that Dev did wrong to Ishwari. Yet she was the one who allowed Soha to decide to not meet her dad. If Dev should be made to feel wrong, then why did Sona not make Soha realize she was wrong to say 'no' to meeting her father? This is why I don't buy into the magnanimity of the character.

As Ishwari's guilt about spoiling Dev's Sonakshi's relationship makes her react ..Sonakshi's guilt regarding Dev Ishwari's relationship is making her act like so sighh..Her whole sole agenda is to make things better for this family by re bonding them..If this cant be Dev's decision then how it be Soha's ..Right..


Sona spent her entire marriage accusing Dev of being a mama's boy but now that he's developed some distance from his mother, she's making him feel guilty for not continuing that dynamic? I think for anyone that would be confusing. But for someone like Dev, who is already struggling with his sense of self, it would be actually detrimental.

See I feel Sona's problem was not that Dev was close to his mothr ..she never objected that very directly..she did called him mam;s boy and all..but vocally she never showed any jealousy regarding their relationship..She never wanted him to distance himself from Ishwari..that was not her agenda ever..and Now when she sees that how their relationship their bond has suffered over these 7 years..she feels bad and guilty and I personally could understand her concern or sadness..she can see the strained relationship..which once upon a time was a beautiful and deep one..How strongly they were dependent on each other emotionally.. now their is a unseen distance between them..and she is not happy with that..though I have different issues with Soankshi here..will talk about them later sighh


I think somewhere along the way, they need to validate Dev's right to emotions too.
Oh true..thats the thing


No offense My POV

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Supriya ji was excellent in today's episode..I just saw the episode properly and she was beyond good I was moved by her performance ..She reacted so naturally in that sequence..I was teary eyed <3..Such a flawless actor she is <3

Bringing old charm of Ishwari back gradually :)

I could see that old Dev Ishwari essence in today's scene..Reminded me of old gold days <3

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Posted: 8 years ago
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In a bit of a rush but didn't want to run away without sharing my thoughts. The writers are struggling to add meat to the body of the character of S2 Sona. Today I again felt guilt is playing a huge role in the way Dev and sona are acting. Ishwari has actually moved on. She has acknowledged she made mistakes and is looking into the future. Which is actually quite interesting. Because she didn't just wrong dev and sonakshi. She wronged her other kids too. However, in her mind, that will all fall in place once the head of the family, Dev's head is in the right place. For that, she needs dev and sona to bond.
However, Dev and sona themselves are still fixing things. I agree @malika that Dev still looks like a puppet and only the puppet master has changed. However, this is where I feel the writers get this close to adding that much needed detail in Sonakshi and then they fail. She isn't fixing mistakes. She is facilitating the perfection in Dev's ecosystem. I got frustrated when that dining table talk finished so quickly. We all knew where this was going. It's visible clearly that Dev loves eating with ishwari. He has even done in in s2. But he doesn't do it often. Both him and ishwari think it's because he is upset. The fact is, that was his defence mechanism. And that's what sonakshi is trying to say. Because she has let her guard down and started realising how much she missed. She is saying to dev, Hun, let it go...

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Posted: 8 years ago
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I guess CVs going overboard with Dev's guilt is to garner sympathy for Dev coz many had criticized him for being rude and somewhat ruthless in S2. You can't feel guilty for too long. Slowly he may see that many of the past events were beyond his control and start accepting thus. He will learn to love but be less dependant on anyone else for his own happiness
The reunion cannot be completely sugar coated . I believe there will be some events which may cause some disturbances (vicky nikki or something else). this may be the turning point . I hope there is no more breakup patchup sequence and sonakshi too stops being soo preachy and more practical


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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Samanalyse

@Malika: I am glad you raised these points because it's something I've been thinking about. I am really happy with this Devakshi as well, especially the fact that they are both very much in character but allowing those old traits to complement one another instead of pitting them against each other, which is what happened when they were married. The lack of support from their families made each of them go further into their own default modes -- Dev wanted to crawl into a shell where it was only him and Sona, and Sona wanted to appease everyone who was unhappy -- and they lost the ability to meet halfway and help each other with their respective weaknesses. That is what I feel has changed.

Sona in fix-it mode is the Sona that Dev fell in love with. He likes that she meddles in his life, and in his family's to make things better, and the fact that he could trust her with his mother was a huge step towards love for Dev, initially. She made him aware of what he was missing with his mother and sisters in S1, and it made him want to have those relationships with them. As he said in his first confession, she makes him want to be a better person. That's the lens through which I am viewing this track now. As Dev himself said, he didn't realise until he met Riya how much he had missed her. So deep down, he does feel the void his sisters left and that would remain a secret regret of his all of his life. What Sona did was make him aware of that gap so that he would feel the impetus to fill it. And as I said in a recent post, she knew this was important because she just went through it with him herself. He would never have sought her out if she hadn't come to Delhi, but when she did, she found out how much he had missed her, and remembered what an amazing thing it was to be loved by him.

What is different about fix-it Sona now, though, is that she is an enabler and not a micromanager. She preps Dev for situations that she knows are going to be difficult for him, and convinces him that it's not worth missing a potential life's worth of happiness just to avoid a difficult confrontation. She's there on the sidelines, ready to swoop in if things get out of hand (as she did when Dev was at Nikki's) but she is not trying to do things on her own anymore. Once the meeting with Nikki failed miserably, she didn't make him feel incapable because he messed up once, but sent him to Riya's house on his own with the message that she believed in him. Once he came back and told her what happened, she told him how special and strong he was for doing something that was so hard for him. Even today, she reiterated that whatever was to be done about Nikki's situation, they would do it together.

Basically, she is passing on her strength to him. We all complain that she doesn't feel guilty enough, and I think that is because she is so proactive in her decision-making (paanch minute and all). She makes bold decisions with the information she has on hand, and she doesn't look back. The remarriage track was an example of how that could go terribly wrong in the extreme and at that time, Dev had to share his strength of owning his feelings with her. But the flipside is that Sona sees Dev's guilt/regret and instead of letting him be, tries to push him towards solutions. Dev said he hadn't given up on his sisters, he was just scared they had given up on him. The longer he waited to make a move, the harder it would be to eventually reunite and the greater his guilt would be if something were to happen to one of them and he wasn't there to help.

In short, Sona's fix-it mode is working for me this time around because she isn't rushing into things like a bull in a china shop, without talking to Dev first. This time, she is measuring each step carefully and doing her best not to rush Dev into something he isn't ready for, but at the same time helping him identify the gaps that he can feel but not see.


Sam, I definitely think we've improved a fair bit. But I still feel we have a lot further to go with Sona. An example would be her calling up Riya before discussing the situation with Dev first. That was a situation where Dev calling first would've made just as much sense if not more. I still feel like she's handling things on her own and then just telling Dev how she wants him to act. Instead of it being an equal discussion of Dev's emotions. Sona may understand Dev without words but I feel the discussion is important.


Dev told Sona that she makes him want to be a better man. And I think that is something we should all feel in our relationships. But wanting to be better shouldn't make you feel like you are not good enough just as you are. And to me the way the relationship is written, that's how I feel Dev has ended up feeling and I feel like Sonakshi's behavior contributes to that. For one, we don't actually see that Dev makes Sonakshi want to be a better person too. She may tell Dev he is special but its very generic and if she's also expecting him to always be the one to apologize how is he actually going to feel that? Her words and actions aren't truly matching up in my view. But we are definitely miles better than where we were so I am willing see where they go. 😊


The thing is Sona and Dev are different people with very different life experiences. So while for her it may make sense to apologize and smooth over things with her brother but Dev's relationships with his sisters are far more complicated. A big part of his sisters' resentment has nothing to do with is actions but with their perception of Ishwari's favoritism. They were okay with it as long as Dev took on the role of a father figure. But once Dev abandoned that role, their resentment for Ishwari's favoritism kicked in. However as much as Dev tried to fulfill that role of a father, he was but a child himself. In making sure he fulfilled his sister's needs, he lost something of himself (something that doesn't happen to a normal father). I think his sisters needed to realize that far more than Dev needed to realize his sister's pain with his behavior.


Comparatively, when Neha was struggling with her own marital unhappiness it was difficult for her to watch Devaskshi's happiness. If Dev, Riya and Nikki don't hold that against Neha, why are Dev's struggles being held against him? If Riya understood how much Dev hurt Ishwari, why did Riya proceed to do the same thing to Ishwari? Sonakshi can make Dev accept the guilt and smooth things over, but ultimately its just a bandaid solution for her guilt while the real issues aren't addressed.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@mallikakas... beautiful analysis and i guess most of us would feel the way you mentioned about Dev's hurt and Sona's nature of fixing things
Here i would like to say a common thing about human behavior as i see it. It is we and our behaviour that sets other's expectations from us ,be it family friend or any other role.
Someone who always informs his family about where he goes and what he does will be expected to keep doing this whereas someone who doesn't won't be expected to.
No one expects vicky would take care of them or be sensitive to their needs but the same is expected out of Dev. This is bcoz it is his basic nature to be concerned about his family and take care of them and i think he is very happy to do this . It is not some forced thing
Hence when he behaved differently all the people were affected by his behavior
You see this around amidst family too. You will go to a person who you think will help you rather than to a closer family member
This is why they say while bringing up kids too.. make sure they are aware of the pain and struggles of the tasks you do.. (not to overdo it though )else they would never know how difficult it is to say... cook a good meal or keep a clean house to say the least
Dev never allowed anyone to see his struggle

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Posted: 8 years ago
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What an amazing milestone episode. Even though there is no head and tail but still it gave me clarify on certain queries like why only dev should feel sorry? In any relationship we see equal responsibilities and rights for both partners since our KRPKAB is unique, we have special kind of relationships in Dev's life. What ever relationships he holds in his life, all responsibilities belongs to him and all rights belongs to the party. What a unique relationships, completely out of the world. At the end of the episode, I only left with one thought that Why these two got separated when everything was so perfect between masoom maa and bechara pati as per our mahaan FL? If everything was so perfect then why he got so many taunts and went through so much name calling like mumma's boy, spineless, loser, good for nothing, undeserving of love etc.

When I was searching for my own answers, my son came up with his question, Mummy is dev Sona again got married? When I asked him why? He said I am asking just like that since when ever I am seeing dev is either feeling bad or sad or crying so I thought they again got married.🤣 🤣 🤣
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: LiveLife321

What an amazing milestone episode. Even though there is no head and tail but still it gave me clarify on certain queries like why only dev should feel sorry? In any relationship we see equal responsibilities and rights for both partners since our KRPKAB is unique, we have special kind of relationships in Dev's life. What ever relationships he holds in his life, all responsibilities belongs to him and all rights belongs to the party. What a unique relationships, completely out of the world. At the end of the episode, I only left with one thought that Why these two got separated when everything was so perfect between masoom maa and bechara pati as per our mahaan FL? If everything was so perfect then why he got so many taunts and went through so much name calling like mumma's boy, spineless, loser, good for nothing, undeserving of love etc.


When I was searching for my own answers, my son came up with his question, Mummy is dev Sona again got married? When I asked him why? He said I am asking just like that since when ever I am seeing dev is either feeling bad or sad or crying so I thought they again got married.🤣 🤣 🤣


Di I burst out laughing and my mom thought that medicine has made me mad! I love your son, and everything he says is true in Dev's case!
P.S: Happy early 4th of July for anyone, I still have an hour left!
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Silver jubilee thread ..Wow ! Congratulations everyone 👏
I was nt very active hre n cudn read those prev posts which i'm sure 're amazing as usual .

Sona is still in mending relationships but pati patni ka bhi ek relationship hi hai , voh baat yeh ladki kab samchoge ?? I didn get that point of creatives as they r making sona aware of sis relationships, mother relationship even mamiji relationship but no husband relationship. Both dev n sona r behaving like old age couples wer emotional intimacy is more dominant compared to physical (even there too many exceptions as old guys r more young @ heart 😆 ), yeahh that's nt a bad thing either but they can hav that later , nt now .

( In bet , i wud like to express my "enormous happiness" in seeing sona's suffocating attire n riya's more air circulated one , esp in the same frame 🤪though that's nt a big deal, anyways )

I think Cvs r focussing on dev's guilt ride bcoz during the period he got separated from sona, he obviously fell into a phase wer anger, frustration, solitude, helplessness et al negative forces prevalent n he lead a life which satisfied him in every possible way. ( I still believe in Dev's words to Sona... mein tumhara dha , hu aur rehunga ) He detached himself from his family physically n even emotionally . So now he got his Sona bak , indeed his family bak , he's bak to his old self , a very emotional Dev Dixit .Also shaheer in excellent in expressing those emotions .

Ishwari's job hunting n joining in Laksh's company sounded a bit odd as Ishwari cud easily do some job related to wat she knew well like cooking or stitching. Even she can produce her own brand of besan ka halwa 😲😆 This outside job may b jst for Ish- Laksh encounter . But I liked the idea of Ish job as an ideal mind is often a devil's workshop but contradicting fact is GKB is supposed to b busy looking after IN , still her mind is always a devil's workshop 😛

Maa -beta milan . Sona's fixing one by one ..good, great ..jst perfect ! That's wat Dev told to Sona in season 1 .."u make me want to b a better person". ( But sona dear, apna khayal bhi rakha karo.. Havn't seen a proper scene wer both Dev n Sona playing with Soha let alone their NIGHT bedroom romance )The scene turned really nice with the usual top class performance of Supriya ji. She's such a charming personality. Wat I liked most bout the scene was Ishwari giving equal importance to both Dev n Sona by feeding them both . She indeed turned as Sona's mother , more than a MIL.

Looking forward to the rest of the episodes 😃

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