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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Shaavi



As Dev said, it takes courage to get back on the same horse after falling off from his back.


Apt words to describe Sona's condition...And with the new instagram stories circulating in the forum, I think Sona has finally shown the courage...only thing to know, is whether it happened before or after the engagement.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Shaavi

After that explosive episode, didn't know what to write. But after the videos posted by Meher and the discussion there, wanted to share my thoughts. It is more my thoughts regarding the future story and what I think the CVs trying to show. So here it goes.

Right now there are a couple of dates that we are thinking that the CVs are trying to match and June 14th was Dev's love confession day to Sonakshi. But there are a couple of other dates to consider too. They are September 12, 13 and 20. On September 12 was the maha episode of Sonakshi's engagement resulting in Dev falling down drunk. 13th is when Sonakshi brings him home and he confesses that he cannot live without her but is also not able to break away from his responsibilities which is seen and heard by Ishwari. It is also on that date that Dev confronts Ishwari regarding her insecurities, the game of Dev kiska zyada hai. 20th is when Sonakshi says yes to marrying Dev and he takes her to that place where he does the actual proposal and asks her to be Mrs. Aubhodro.

All these makes me think that on June 9, Sonakshi will realize that she has not moved on and that she is not ready to see Dev with anyone else. On June 13 we will see a "talli" Sona and maybe also on June 12th similar to September 12. The location in that video maybe the accident location as Grace suggested in reply to that video in the link. She might kind of meet with another accident there and Dev brings her to Bose house. Where similar to Ishwari witnessing Dev's confession to Sonakshi, Bijoy might see and hear Sonakshi's confession. On June 14th it will most probably be Sonakshi confessing all her hidden feelings and suppressed anger not to Dev, but to Bijoy. Pointing to his role and in turn her role in the breakup or maybe to Dev where she releases all her pent up feelings.

Also I feel that we will probably see Dev and Sonakshi's wedding on June 20th and this time it will be in temple. In the episode with the prenup, Dev calls Sonakshi to office and says that he wants to marry her then and there. She replies that they cannot do that and they would have to go to temple for that. In the episode after the marriage one, Dev says that the wedding ceremony was for people and they didn't really talk to each other or kind of enjoyed it. I think this is the message from CVs. That a wedding should not be for people, it should be for the family. What I mean is the marriage in wedding hall or 5 star hotels or any such location is more for a show than about the bride and groom themselves. But a marriage in temple is simple. It is about them and their lives and that too in front of God. One doesn't lie in front of god. One tends to be honest and themselves there. It is kind of god's decree. I mean you don't decide who your blood relatives are. When 2 people marry the relationship is forged by they themselves. God might have decided that these 2 are soulmates, but it is upto us to find each other and accept each other. And promising to cherish, honor and respect that relationship in front of god feels kind of right(just something that I feel. Not saying that other methods are not right, but talking about old times kind of.).

CVs are being very smart and giving a good message to the society. This is just my pov and not really intended to hurt anyone.


Oh...wow Shaavi...really commendable post. Reading your post brought all my frustrations & disappointments to rest...Especially the bolded part...Thank you dear for this.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: grace4317

@Shaavi & @Lakshmi...thank you for the reply on my frustrated post.

To be clear, the characters had to do nothing with my post. My query was, why they had to take this third angle route to get Sona voice out her feelings. I felt like trying to get it done with the gun on her head. Instead, they could have taken a more subtle route, which would have more similarity with real life. Especially, since Dev knows Sona loves him and giving them time to heal would have been the most apt route to take. But I understand, it maybe the channel's call for this OTT drama to increase the TRP. Hence rest my case here.



Grace, I think it is to do with the way Sonakshi's character is written. I season 1, even though she lived Dev didn't risk telling him for fear of rejection. Here too she was pushed to the extent where she almost lost Dev. I am referring to Dev and Natasha engagement. If Dev had not broken that, Sonakshi wouldn't have done anything to stop it. She would have just cried to herself and slowly healed herself via Saurabh and Elena. She would never have revealed Dev that she loved him. It was Dev who took the risk, canceled his engagement even though he was not sure of Sonakshi's feelings at that time. It is like the saying "It is better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all". What I am saying is here Dev accepted his love and the risk involved. The possibility of Sonakshi not loving back. But he took a leap of faith and followed his heart.

By hiding her love, Sonakshi didn't really accept it. She didn't trust it enough to believe in it. By fearing rejection she followed her brain. For her, her fear of rejection and failure made her not take any risk thereby making her not follow her dreams. Not all dreams become reality, but that doesn't mean we should stop dreaming or trying to make them come true. If one is not able to make one of those their dream come true, it is no big deal. You make your other dream come true. Give it your best shot and try your hardest without overthinking consequences. The quote from Gita is very apt here, "karmanye vaadikaraste maa phaleshu kadachan". Do your duty, leave the fruits of your labor to me. By not pursuing her dreams in the fear of consequences, Sonakshi gave up living in a way. She didn't trust herself nor god in a way.

This time around she knows how much Dev loves her and wants her in his life. Yet she is fearful of taking a risk, that leap of faith and trust God. Who knows what happens tomorrow. Why constantly think if that happens or this happens and not live with what we have now. I know she went through a lot the last time she married Dev. But at that time too she was overthinking. She just kept thinking about tomorrow, that if I did this or did not do this then this will happen, that will happen. She forgot to live or cherish what she had and tried to control a consequence that may or may not have happened. Similarly now too she is thinking about what Dev, Ishwari, Bijoy etc and what they want and what their reaction is going to be if she accepts her dream vs not accept her love, what she wants in life. She is now in the same place as she was during Natasha track. History repeating and life giving her a second chance to take a chance, to try, to trust herself and God.

She now has the option to either accept the reality and dare to chase her dreams and try to make them come true or live with what if for the rest of her life. It reminds me of a dialogue from the movie 3 idiots when that other guy tells Kareena, "taxi bahar kadi thi. Thodi himmat kartha tho kya hota(pardon me if the dialogue is not complete or if it is erroneous or the movie is incorrect. I remember this dialogue, but not completely. It might be that other guy who tells this this to Kareena on her wedding day. Multiple times similar words used I guess). It is similar to that. Instead of thinking what others want from her, she is forced to introspect what she wants with her life. Go for it not thinking about how others are going to react. Take the risk.
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Posted: 8 years ago
@Shaavi, I am speechless with your fabulous reply to Grace post. 👏 👏 👏
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: grace4317


Oh...wow Shaavi...really commendable post. Reading your post brought all my frustrations & disappointments to rest...Especially the bolded part...Thank you dear for this.


@Shaavi and grace4317 I would like to add my part that is I agree with the dates provide by the Shaavi that is the marriage of dev and sona will happen on 20 june mostly in temple but according to my prediction it will have the presence of Ishu mata, Mamaji , Bose family expect Bijoy.
Now I am putting my prediction that is dev will cancel the engagement at the last moment after seeing the pain in the sona's eyes and soan will leave the venue and dev will go after her. She will confess her feelings and the fear. But dev have achieved what he want so he will be ok with the current state and they will decide to go slow and dev will come home and tell that he don't want to remarry with the another girl and sona will say no to help Ishu mata and Ishu mata will be ok and Ishu mata and asha will decide to give them time to take the decision but this will shake the GKB and red so they will find the another way to get rid of sona and soha and in s1 they use the Ishu's insecurities and fear now they will use Bijoy and Ishu's theft will be out infront of Bijoy and this will lead to the misuse of the document sign by dev due to Bijoy and In the mean while GKB will cheat Ishu and take her sign on the custody related notice and to control the situation and avoid the custody battle and to stop that according to the lawyers guidance dev and sona will get married as they now are married and biological parents of soha custody battle get avoided and stooped forever and Bijoy's and sona or I will say Bose family sona against Bijoy will happened.
I always have a strong believe that soha's mother and father are more strong then the individual and sona so to problem soha will make them strong to get married without the permission of their parents. And if this is on the urgent basis then first they will have the register marriage with the two witness and then the marriage in the presence of family mention above. This is my Prediction.
@Shaavi see this time our dates while predicting get matched.😊🤗
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Shaavi



Grace, I think it is to do with the way Sonakshi's character is written. I season 1, even though she lived Dev didn't risk telling him for fear of rejection. Here too she was pushed to the extent where she almost lost Dev. I am referring to Dev and Natasha engagement. If Dev had not broken that, Sonakshi wouldn't have done anything to stop it. She would have just cried to herself and slowly healed herself via Saurabh and Elena. She would never have revealed Dev that she loved him. It was Dev who took the risk, canceled his engagement even though he was not sure of Sonakshi's feelings at that time. It is like the saying "It is better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all". What I am saying is here Dev accepted his love and the risk involved. The possibility of Sonakshi not loving back. But he took a leap of faith and followed his heart.

By hiding her love, Sonakshi didn't really accept it. She didn't trust it enough to believe in it. By fearing rejection she followed her brain. For her, her fear of rejection and failure made her not take any risk thereby making her not follow her dreams. Not all dreams become reality, but that doesn't mean we should stop dreaming or trying to make them come true. If one is not able to make one of those their dream come true, it is no big deal. You make your other dream come true. Give it your best shot and try your hardest without overthinking consequences. The quote from Gita is very apt here, "karmanye vaadikaraste maa phaleshu kadachan". Do your duty, leave the fruits of your labor to me. By not pursuing her dreams in the fear of consequences, Sonakshi gave up living in a way. She didn't trust herself nor god in a way.

This time around she knows how much Dev loves her and wants her in his life. Yet she is fearful of taking a risk, that leap of faith and trust God. Who knows what happens tomorrow. Why constantly think if that happens or this happens and not live with what we have now. I know she went through a lot the last time she married Dev. But at that time too she was overthinking. She just kept thinking about tomorrow, that if I did this or did not do this then this will happen, that will happen. She forgot to live or cherish what she had and tried to control a consequence that may or may not have happened. Similarly now too she is thinking about what Dev, Ishwari, Bijoy etc and what they want and what their reaction is going to be if she accepts her dream vs not accept her love, what she wants in life. She is now in the same place as she was during Natasha track. History repeating and life giving her a second chance to take a chance, to try, to trust herself and God.

She now has the option to either accept the reality and dare to chase her dreams and try to make them come true or live with what if for the rest of her life. It reminds me of a dialogue from the movie 3 idiots when that other guy tells Kareena, "taxi bahar kadi thi. Thodi himmat kartha tho kya hota(pardon me if the dialogue is not complete or if it is erroneous or the movie is incorrect. I remember this dialogue, but not completely. It might be that other guy who tells this this to Kareena on her wedding day. Multiple times similar words used I guess). It is similar to that. Instead of thinking what others want from her, she is forced to introspect what she wants with her life. Go for it not thinking about how others are going to react. Take the risk.


Thanks Shaavi for this elaborate post...But, my question is, Sona being a person who prefers to take a path of minimum risk, won't it be against her character, if Sona takes that leap of faith. And when we say, we need to accept a person whom we love with their flaws, why would we want Sona to take that leap of faith. I would rather want her to open up to Dev about everything regarding her, starting from what all Dev had asked her after his confession till all about her 7year struggle; but at the same time would like to see how Dev's love & care heals her up.

And I think, Dev has already started that process. That is what I have posted in this thread of mine (https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/kuch-rang-pyar-ke-aise-bhi/4857917/gently-taking-care-of-sona)in the main forum.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Now that my mind is out of the gutter (for a very short window of time... so DQ, type and type fast), I thought I shall build up on some posts here. Mind you, others and I have said before most of what I am saying. I still felt its worth repeating what I think is Sona's thought process

Originally posted by: Samanalyse

THIS is what it all comes down to in the end. A major part of why Sona couldn't trust their love was because she never trusted herself as an individual. Their love was never something she claimed but something she accepted, so she doesn't feel the same innate right over it that Dev does. It something he "gave" her when he confessed, and then "toook away" when he broke up with her at the hospital. It also explains her reaction to the controversial "get out," and why she couldn't just go up to their room instead of leaving IN altogether, and her inseurities about Ishwari. She saw Ishwari as having the power to determine whether or not Dev could bestow Sona's fairytale on her and she wanted to make sure that both Dev and Ishwari saw her as worthy of it. She doesn't see the relationship as something she gave Dev in equal measure.

Originally posted by: Shaavi

When Dev confessed his love for Sonakshi, she couldn't trust herself that this was really happening. For her it was like she was living somebody else's dream and one from which she would eventually wake up. When Dev told that they have to separate, it was like a rude awakening for her. BD took over. she came home looking for his support, that he would say it was ok, but Bijoy did nothing of that sort. Instead he told her that she is strong and she shouldn't cry over something as trivial as that. This is something that Bijoy has given her to understand since her young age when he made her the head of the family against Asha's advice. He told her that dreams or that idea of romance is for vulnerable people and who follow their dreams make mistakes and get hurt. If one follows the practical path, then they wouldn't fail. I think this is where Saurabh comes in. Even though he made mistakes and lost, he did not give up. But then Sonakshi saw that Saurabh failed and her father criticized him and did not consider him as good enough. She wanted to be the "perfect daughter" of "perfect father", to maintain his respect.

That is what she has done all this time. Be BD. Now that she is seeing her dream slip away is making her fight within herself, her heart and mind is at war. While her inner self is saying what is wrong in loving someone, her brain is saying I have let you do what you wanted to do and see where that took you. it only hurt you. As Sam said she is like a pendulum, but not someone who swings from Bijoy to Dev, but one who swings between her heart and mind, unable to decide between selecting what her heart and mind wants. she is at an impasse. What she always looked for was Bijoy giving advice where he would tell her it was ok to make mistakes and ask her to learn from it. But what she got was Bijoy telling her not to make mistakes and anytime she did do mistake, to take away his support and tell her she needs to be strong and rise above them.

@malikakas, @Shaavi & @Samanalyse All of this is amazing and the very core of Sonakshi's character. She was groomed to be brave when faced with a rejection, which she found very difficult to do. She wanted to cry her heart out whenever she was rejected but Bijoy would not let that happen. Because bottling up all that rejection is such hard work, that she would rather not face it. I would like to point out that; here Bijoy's intention was well placed. He just failed to balance it with Asha's more "grieve the rejection" approach. What is also very interesting is that Asha and Bijoy used to role-reverse when rejections happened on Project Find-Sona-a-Groom. Which is because Bijoy used to find the matching making process disempowering for Sona (which is a separate debate...) This, however, is the reason why Bijoy is still very much against the devakshi milan. He has not realised how good Dev can be for Sona's happiness quotient. She can live for 23hours 55 minutes of her day and deal with the sh-called taunts from mami/neha/ishwari etc. if she gets that 5 minute of soulmate-quality love from Dev (and I am not referring to his bedroom tactics here. I mean his genuine "I make you feel special" love). 😳 Especially now, when both Dev & Sona realise they did not take care of their marriage as they should have.

It's not so much about being perfect. It is more about "feeling" that everything around her is perfect. This is why she is a Miss-fix-it. She wants to make things better and better.

Originally posted by: Shaavi

In the beginning of the series, both Ishwari and Bijoy did not really ask their kids to prove their loyalty to them. They did listen to their kids and did not restrict them in what they did.

When Sonakshi fell in love with Dev it was because he had kind of shown himself to be "prince charming", who was brave, chivalrous, honest, noble etc, in short everything a fairy tale prince is. But with the way she is being BD and Sonakshi, where the former is her mind(brain) and later is her heart, she chose to listen to her mind. She read fairy tales, believed them in her heart, but does not believe it in her mind. What I mean is the way she looked at it as fairy tales do not exist. That they are just fun to read, but is not true. This is how Bijoy has given her to understand. He has always told her that she was "strong", but in herself she doesn't have the "courage". She did not have a separate identity of her own, just like Dev.

If Natasha had not come in at the time she entered, she might have gained that courage. But her entry changed that. Natasha was someone who met the requirements of a princess from Sonakshi's view. So she imagined rejection from Dev and assumed that only a person like Natasha can have that place in Dev's life. This was also supported by Ishwari who did not directly disapprove her. In fact Ishwari praised Natasha and told that she was suitable for Dev in every way. This made Sonakshi even more withdrawn into her shell.

@Latha. Here is where I said Nisha is similar to Natasha. I was going by the written spoilers in TV Serial Updates or youtube. She is told to be a family girl, someone similar to Natasha who wanted to be homemaker, knew cooking and pretty much those skills that is considered as the ones the girls are supposed to have(I am just mentioning the norms of society, not intended to hurt anyone. It is like generally speaking). That is how Nisha is described as. Sonakshi through Nisha is confronting herself and breaking out of the image that Bijoy has created of her. It is very similar to what Dev did and told Ishwari in the beginning of post leap. She no longer wants to be what Bijoy wants her to be, but still hasn't gather the "courage" to be herself. And that is what Dev is pushing her towards. To own herself.

Originally posted by: Samanalyse

The one exception, when Sona saw herself as an equal architect of the relationship, was their first night at the resort. Then, she didn't know how Dev would react to her surprise, but she boldly went through with it, and he was thrilled. That, like you so aptly said, is what we need to see more of and on a larger scale. As Dev said, in order to get your fairytale, you have to have courage. We often pan fairytales as bearers of unreachable fantasy, but if we look closer they all preach that courage. Cinderella needed courage in the face of humiliation to make it to the ball, Rapunzel had to take a chance on the prince and let down her long hair when she could have argued that her tower was perfectly safe and adequate, and Beauty had the courage to become the Beast's prisoner in her father's stead. All of these characters go against expectation and stake a claim in their happily ever after.

It really reminds me of the writers' little blurb at the beginning of the show; that for Dev, his mother was god and for Sona her love was god. How true that became! She treated her love like a devotee treats god, rather than how a creator views their creation. That is what needs to change.

Building up on Sam's metaphor of Sona working in an AC office versus in the field... Sona, as much as, loves the drama (and while we are at it, so does Saurabh) she does not handle drama with that finesse. I mean, would we say Sona handled the drama a la IN1.0 well? She often made a proper mess and she was usually only successful when one of the Dixits was her ally (which is something she should have learnt with the resort date! She needed to get someone in IN in confidence when she planned that b'day date with Dev). IN in general and Ishwari in particular were quite difficult to deal with (for example, in just one meeting, I can already see the Nisha made two rookie mistakes she refused food when Ishwari offered it (and Ishwari 1.0 would go all ho ho about this) and did not touch anyone's feet... Things Natasha was so perceptive of. IMHO, Nisha isnt there where Natasha was)

So, coming back to Sona... The issue is, she does not deal with drama too well either. She used to dilly-dally about the prospective grooms back then... this is why Bijoy feels the need to intervene. His methods are wrong... but he knows his daughter is a pendulum and very open to manipulations. He knows that the lines between a mountain and a molehill are very blurr in this relationship and all he "got" (recall what Sam said, He holds that Dev "took away" sona), is "Bose" Nutrition and Suhana "Bose" . It got very bad before it got better for his family

Originally posted by: sweetyidiot

I have a doubt ,sona moulds herself for whatever other say...like if asha asked to forgive Dev ( after first breakup) she gave in

then again asha asked her to fight for her self respect( after the eviction) she gave in

Baba Bose asked her to be strong ...she gave in

Ex sasu ma asked to be a match maker... She gave in

Then why not she give in to Dev ...when he is trying it so hard it was very clear in his eyes... he had been dropping hints since yesterday's epi and today that fairytale dailouge he literally should how frustrated he was with her so called cool behavior... Seriously sona why can't you give in


Originally posted by: Samanalyse

In short, don't overthink this; we'll take it one step at a time at whatever pace you want, and along the way, we can take as many breaks as you need. Just don't let go of my hand because you are afraid I'll let yours go first. This whole ladki-dekhna rigmarole is to simulate urgency for Sona and drag her into the present moment where she isn't preoccupied with a million thoughts about the past and the future and can give in to her present.

@sweetyidiot The answer to your question (as per the story) is in what Sam said above. Devakshi had finally started to settle in rhythm of sorts as suhana's parents in a benaam rishta. However, Ishwari, Asha and Bijoy threw them in the deep end.

This is where I see a huge red flag and I think so does Sona (by proxy... I'll explain). Dev believes he knows where things went wrong (he even said it to Nisha y'day) and does not allow anyone to manipulate him. He is in full control of the situation or so he thinks.

Sona, on the other hand, has allowed all 3 seniors to manipulate her in an attempt to shut up her own feelings. Its not a case of her owning her feelings only. The issue she has is that, she does not feel they can do justice to their marriage. Dev may not have asked her to marry him. He has certainly asked her to come back in his life. She isnt sure Dev and sona can take care of this rishta even now.

Imagine, if these two were to marry and anyone of these people suddenly become insecure like Ish 1.0... what happens then? One scandal a la slapgate1.0 and this marriage is doomed yet again taking Suhana with it... louder her feelings speak to her, louder she yells "I hate you" back to Dev.

Its very clever that Dev has Suhana as his ally now. The one person who both Dev & Sona are worried about hurting in this process. He has started controlling the damage started by Ishwari⭐️

Oh for Eff's sake.. I was out of the G for too long... I'll go back to ogling Devakshi

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Posted: 8 years ago
Grace

You are right when you said Sona should not be forced to act against her ch But I have a sincere doubt Why can't she Why can't she disclose her heart before Dev and tell him every truth? Why can't she tell him that definitely he is her love and she has no second thought about it Having said so she can tell him she can't marry him again as she doesn't want to take any risk' Dev would have understood her point and appreciated her.

Sonakshi should have told Iswari that she can try but she can not force Dev, Then Sonakshi would have left the option to Dev himself whether to move ahead or not'

Here Dev also is pressurised to enact the drama against his will If Sona did not force him Dev would have been saved from this tension ' Soha also is facing the heat. She is not an adult How could she withstand the pressure of seeing her father date another girl before her eyes?

Grace the reason for this hopeless situation is lack of transperancy .Both of them are suffering now
Sona can be true to her ch by not taking risk if she had given importance to her other ch traits also like frankness transperancy etc that Bijoy Bose boasts as Bose family traits though they are not so in reality

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Posted: 8 years ago
DQ, loved ur take on Sona and Devakshi. 👏
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@DQ: What a wonderful summary of, and response to, the discussions that have happened so far! Say what you will about this track, you can't deny that it's got our grey cells working, the ones both in and out of the gutter. 😉

@All: At the risk of being repetitive, here's a new way I thought of to frame the current events in the show. I think, in the end, this whole remarriage drama comes down to the question of 'haq'.

Just as Sona's main issue with the relationship is that Dev failed to integrate his relationships and acknowledge that that required work, Dev's main issue with the relationship is that Sona never claimed her right over him and their love.

She said to him, we can't sustain a relationship because there is too much bitterness between our families. Dev recognised that he was at the root of much of this bitterness thanks to his unwilligness/inability to commit to the practical responsibilities of this relationship, and the dinner was an important step in his mission to show her how much he has changed. When he heard Ishwari hadn't taken the medicine when Sona gave it, he didn't avoid or deny the awkwardness, but talked about it candidly with Sona and then Asha, who noted how much he had changed. He noted the tension and did something about it, showing Sona a glimpse of the responsibility he was now willing and able to take, and how well he could carry it out.

With this remarriage drama, Dev is addressing his main issue with the relationship, and saying to Sona, we can't be together (in any named or unnamed sense) if you can't claim your haq over me when an external party challenges our relationship. He made a lot of mistakes in their first innings because he knew she wouldn't claim that haq, Isn't that why he hid the infertility and went with the fake pregnancy lie? Even in Shimla, he was shocked to find that she thought he was being "mahaan" by saying it didn't matter if they had kids or not. The way he saw it, she had more right over him than any unborn children. He wants her to claim that haq, not for what she can give him, but because *she* loves him. Pyar haq deta hai, Sonakshi.

So far, the writers have shown beautifully how these two fell into old patterns. Dev had no issues claiming his rights when he thought that Sona was hiding an affair with Jatin. Sona had no trouble nibhaofying the extended family portion of their relationship with the Khatri saga. Sona is saying, no, you can't just assert your right over me; it has to be okay with everyone who is important to us. Dev is saying, you can't give so much importance to everyone else; when they challenge our equation, assert your rights over me first and foremost. The dinner, followed by this remarriage saga are dramatised ways of showing how Dev, and then Sona, meet each other half way.

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