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thedramaqueen

@thedramaqueen

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Posted: 8 years ago

#181

Thanks Sam, Chits and everyone who liked the post!

Sam! - brilliant. Simply brilliant.. Your post(esp the bit about unborn children) just made me realise that Suhana is such a super haq exerciser and no wonder gets things done by papa and mumma!

Edited by thedramaqueen - 8 years ago

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Deepa

@deepsel

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Posted: 8 years ago

#182

It's not so much about being perfect. It is more about "feeling" that everything around her is perfect. This is why she is a Miss-fix-it. She wants to make things better and better.

DQ, 🤗 I am really tired and exhausted to write wrt to "being perfect" and "self respect" ever again just like the way I was tired of "spineless" in past. Thank you for being my mind voice here and giving me that much needed solace. I am going to be a mute spectator and savor the views inside this thread till this track gets me out of frustration coz don't want to spoil the fun for people enjoying it. Just hope makers keep throwing me the lollipops like yesterday so am kept distracted and not to think anything serious about 😆

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thedramaqueen

@thedramaqueen

Voyager

Posted: 8 years ago

#183

Originally posted by: deepsel

It's not so much about being perfect. It is more about "feeling" that everything around her is perfect. This is why she is a Miss-fix-it. She wants to make things better and better.

DQ, 🤗 I am really tired and exhausted to write wrt to "being perfect" and "self respect" ever again just like the way I was tired of "spineless" in past. Thank you for being my mind voice here and giving me that much needed solace. I am going to be a mute spectator and savor the views inside this thread till this track gets me out of frustration coz don't want to spoil the fun for people enjoying it. Just hope makers keep throwing me the lollipops like yesterday so am kept distracted and not to think anything serious about 😆

Arey Deepa! I am damming myself for not learning to tie the tie like a pro.. I missed so many romancing opportunities because of that... 😡

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cscs

@cscs

Sparkler

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Posted: 8 years ago

#184

Sam 👏

U guys are making me speechless with your write ups.

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Shaavi

@Shaavi

Voyager

Posted: 8 years ago

#185

Originally posted by: grace4317

Thanks Shaavi for this elaborate post...But, my question is, Sona being a person who prefers to take a path of minimum risk, won't it be against her character, if Sona takes that leap of faith. And when we say, we need to accept a person whom we love with their flaws, why would we want Sona to take that leap of faith. I would rather want her to open up to Dev about everything regarding her, starting from what all Dev had asked her after his confession till all about her 7year struggle; but at the same time would like to see how Dev's love & care heals her up.

@bold pink. In the episode where his secretary asks if she could contact Sona's mother to know more about her personality to add to her marriage profile, Dev says tell me what you need to know. When she says what should I write as her nature, he starts first off saying that Sonakshi is "ziddi, ladne ki expert, interfering, rude, kisi cheez ke peeche padthi hai tho pad hi jaati hai". But when his secretary says should I write this, he says no and then says write that she is smart, intelligent, passionate, independent and one who needs a "saathi" and not a "sahara". Here Dev knew all of her and accepted the weaknesses as well as her strengths. He loved her as a whole. For him her fear of darkness is not something he felt she needed to be berated for. For him it was ok to have fears.

But Bijoy is the opposite. he told Sonakshi that there is nothing to be scared of when it is dark. That she is strong and should not say that she is afraid of it. That saying I am afraid of dark is vulnerability and he constantly told her that she needs to be invulnerable and practical and rise above such petty things.

Like I mentioned in previous posts, Sonakshi took Natasha as the model for the person who can be with Dev. But Dev didn't think that way. For him he didn't need someone like Natasha in his life. He wanted Sonakshi with all her way she was. But the way Sonakshi saw was different. When Dev confessed he loved her, she thought that he loved only those part of her that resembled Natasha. Something that Neil had said in front of Dev and Sona during that track. The whole of Neil track was to project herself as somebody she wasn't to Dev and Natasha. Something which Dev questioned. He asked her what was the need of all that drama and in that time he says why are you lying, why this big drama. What's the need. That is exactly what happened. After Dev said that he loved her, she started to partly project herself as a different person, someone who is understanding is able to solve all of Dev's problems. She thought if she wasn't that, she would get rejected.

After the breakup in the hospital she completely changed herself to what Bijoy wanted her to be. Saying if I was that, I wouldn't be hurt. But that didn't work either. When she got married and came to know that Ishwari had not approved her, she once again tried to be somebody else. She tried to be Natasha in front of Ishwari, Sonakshi that Dev had seen during their courtship and BD in front of Bijoy. Dev did tell her many times that it was not needed. But Sonakshi didn't hear him. She kept following her mind(brain) and not the heart.

Here Dev is not asking her to take the risk of anything. He is not asking her to marry him. All he is asking is "be yourself". The Sonakshi I met when I first offered you the job or the one who saved the box which his mother wanted her to throw or talk to Neha when she was upset about Dev inviting Ranveer home or all those times before accident, before Natasha came into his life. He is asking her to be happy to be "Sonakshi". He doesn't mind being in the "benaam rishta", but is asking her not to make him a stranger. Telling her you don't want that. He is asking her to accept herself and want her to tell others "this is who I am. Love me as this. If not that is ok too". He wants her to love herself, all of herself that is all.

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timbarucha83

@timbarucha83

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Posted: 8 years ago

#186

Originally posted by: Samanalyse
@DQ: What a wonderful summary of, and response to, the discussions that have happened so far! Say what you will about this track, you can't deny that it's got our grey cells working, the ones both in and out of the gutter. 😉

@All: At the risk of being repetitive, here's a new way I thought of to frame the current events in the show. I think, in the end, this whole remarriage drama comes down to the question of 'haq'.

Just as Sona's main issue with the relationship is that Dev failed to integrate his relationships and acknowledge that that required work, Dev's main issue with the relationship is that Sona never claimed her right over him and their love.

She said to him, we can't sustain a relationship because there is too much bitterness between our families. Dev recognised that he was at the root of much of this bitterness thanks to his unwilligness/inability to commit to the practical responsibilities of this relationship, and the dinner was an important step in his mission to show her how much he has changed. When he heard Ishwari hadn't taken the medicine when Sona gave it, he didn't avoid or deny the awkwardness, but talked about it candidly with Sona and then Asha, who noted how much he had changed. He noted the tension and did something about it, showing Sona a glimpse of the responsibility he was now willing and able to take, and how well he could carry it out.

With this remarriage drama, Dev is addressing his main issue with the relationship, and saying to Sona, we can't be together (in any named or unnamed sense) if you can't claim your haq over me when an external party challenges our relationship. He made a lot of mistakes in their first innings because he knew she wouldn't claim that haq, Isn't that why he hid the infertility and went with the fake pregnancy lie? Even in Shimla, he was shocked to find that she thought he was being "mahaan" by saying it didn't matter if they had kids or not. The way he saw it, she had more right over him than any unborn children. He wants her to claim that haq, not for what she can give him, but because *she* loves him. Pyar haq deta hai, Sonakshi.

So far, the writers have shown beautifully how these two fell into old patterns. Dev had no issues claiming his rights when he thought that Sona was hiding an affair with Jatin. Sona had no trouble nibhaofying the extended family portion of their relationship with the Khatri saga. Sona is saying, no, you can't just assert your right over me; it has to be okay with everyone who is important to us. Dev is saying, you can't give so much importance to everyone else; when they challenge our equation, assert your rights over me first and foremost. The dinner, followed by this remarriage saga are dramatised ways of showing how Dev, and then Sona, meet each other half way.

Completly agree with you dev want that sona should show the haq on him.by doing this if she says that she loves him but not ready for the remarrige at this point she is having an fear he will be more then happy .he want she sholud share what she feels.he is ready to give the support this time but he required to come forword but at the same time I feel dev should take the correct decision where to stop the game.I presonaly want sona express it or not he is able to see the pain on sona's eyeies he should stop the engement that I think he will do . As per the sona's character she will not do any tamasha but when the pain will be unberable she will go from the venu and dev will follow her.

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cscs

@cscs

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Posted: 8 years ago

#187

@Shaavi

This is absolutely brilliant and spot on. This is what Dev want right now. Be yourself, don't try to be strong when you don't feel like. N say whatever is in your heart. Even with Suhana, when he didn't know she was his daughter, he said that itna strong banne ki zarorat nahi hai, when she fell down in school. This is what Dev is, accepting people as they are. He know Sonakshi is faking it all and want her to be real and atleast true to herself.

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Shaavi

@Shaavi

Voyager

Posted: 8 years ago

#188

Originally posted by: Samanalyse
So far, the writers have shown beautifully how these two fell into old patterns. Dev had no issues claiming his rights when he thought that Sona was hiding an affair with Jatin. Sona had no trouble nibhaofying the extended family portion of their relationship with the Khatri saga. Sona is saying, no, you can't just assert your right over me; it has to be okay with everyone who is important to us. Dev is saying, you can't give so much importance to everyone else; when they challenge our equation, assert your rights over me first and foremost. The dinner, followed by this remarriage saga are dramatised ways of showing how Dev, and then Sona, meet each other half way.

Sam, the above paragraph reminds me of this dialogue from Jane Eyre by Charlotte Bronte. It is like this --

"You come out at last, he said. "Well, I have been waiting for you long, and listening: yet not one movement have I heard, nor one sob: five minutes more of that death-like hush, and I should have forced the lock like a burglar. So you shun me?you shut yourself up and grieve alone! I would rather you had come and upbraided me with vehemence. You are passionate. I expected a scene of some kind. I was prepared for the hot rain of tears; only I wanted them to be shed on my breast: now a senseless floor has received them, or your drenched handkerchief. But I err: you have not wept at all! I see a white cheek and a faded eye, but no trace of tears. I suppose, then, your heart has been weeping blood?

"Well, Jane! not a word of reproach? Nothing bitternothing poignant? Nothing to cut a feeling or sting a passion? You sit quietly where I have placed you, and regard me with a weary, passive look.

In this story she is an orphan who goes to work for a rich guy as a governess for his adopted daughter. Both fall in love with each other and on the wedding day, she comes to know that he has a wife living but since she was mentally disabled person, he had decided to marry her. She feels hurt and closes herself off in her room. When she comes out, he says the above words. Jane Eyre is a good read and I really enjoyed reading it. 😃 .

This is the kind of thing that Dev expected from Sonakshi at any of those times like when he cut the birthday cake without her or the infertility issue or anytime. He wanted to be "tumhara Dev" to Sona. 😃

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thedramaqueen

@thedramaqueen

Voyager

Posted: 8 years ago

#189

Originally posted by: Shaavi

Sam, the above paragraph reminds me of this dialogue from Jane Eyre by Charlotte Bronte. It is like this --
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This is the kind of thing that Dev expected from Sonakshi at any of those times like when he cut the birthday cake without her or the infertility issue or anytime. He wanted to be "tumhara Dev" to Sona. 😃

Sam & Shaavi

This where the haq got confusing. Dev 1.0 used to give haq to people left, right and centre. His cluelessness paired with Sonakshi's innate desire to keep everyone of his family members happy meant they were doomed every.single.time.

Lets take some examples:

1. SR attempt number 2 - the night she was asked to sleep with Riya and Nikki. I think Sona showed some haq and told Nikki she will join them in a bit. That night, I wished Dev gatecrashed his sisters' room and played video "games". I am sure the sisters would have eventually gotten the clue. But Dev 1.0 was never that clued in. He didnt exercise his haq

2. SR attempt number 3 - Dev sends the mysterious gift. Devakshi fall in the Ishwari trap (😕). Dev has to go to Rishikesh or somewhere random.. Dev asks Sona to accompany him. She doesnt go because "ma needs help or something"... She didnt exercise her haq. Had she walked out with Dev that night for a long drive, who knows Ishwari would have managed to stop her or not..

This cycle continued infinitely in their very short marriage (and I am not keeping scores.. just giving examples) . Sonakshi is right.. Back then no one was ready for that marriage. Right now, the pain of 7 years has laid the foundation for them both to say (I quote @Sam) "when they challenge our equation, assert your rights over me first and foremost" . They need to learn from the best - their daughter (and foster son!)

Beautiful excerpt Shaavi and thanks for the recommendation.

Edited by thedramaqueen - 8 years ago

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cscs

@cscs

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Posted: 8 years ago

#190

Today's epi was high on emotional quotient.

Sona is on verge of breaking down as Dev, Ishwari, and even Asha are trying to break the wall and she is not getting support from anyone. Nisha being Mrs. Dev Dixit shook her up badly. She always wanted to remain Mrs. Dixit and even after breakup she kept calling her the same. Her baba's strong chant is not making her feel "strong" anymore and she blurted it out what was inside her. Yes it was important but i guess something was off with it. N as usual Bijoy didn't get anything and it was expected form him.

Dev is also getting scared now. He is hurt himself and seeing Sona like this, struggling to hide her feelings, keeping a facade kill him inside. He knows Sona gets affected, but she is still keeping her mask intact. he can't see her like this and thus after gajra incident he pulled her closer. He want her to just say that she is affected and don't wanna see him moving on. That was the moment when he wanted to confront her about it, but as soon as Nisha entered he got back to his usual plan and started discussing about his engagement.

Precap clearly shows that he knows that she is deeply hurt and past 7 years are responsible for it.

Next two episodes will be very difficult to handle. Can't see them like this.

N that Gajra scene toh. 😭 Y do i feel that the girl Nisha is staged by Dev only. 😕