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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Danseuse

Since it was clarified that he lived in a hotel instead of Dixit mansion, it's difficult for me to conclude that Sonakshi is now again choosing to fall in love with Dev, though in complete denial mode, without having this very important conversation with him. Neither Ishwari nor Bijoy have spoken about this side of Dev's character, so I have to presume that they never chose to find out or Vicky has been silent about it. If Suhana did not exist, then it's likely that Sonakshi may have never turned back. She saw a part of Dev in Suhana and felt obliged to let him know of her existence. It took her seven years to make that confident stride though (post the initial fiasco) which is also acceptable. But, why isn't she concerned even once that Suhana, who is very mature than her age, can meet any of her fathers ex-girl friends? How does Dev plan to tackle that?


Rekha, I have to admit I am a little bit confused about what you are trying to say. I don't think Sonakshi is choosing to fall in love with Dev again, but rather she has always been in love with him and her active choice is not to act on it at this point. I totally agree that the conversation about his girlfriends over the past seven years is due, but I only see it as been necessary and apt once Sona admits to him that she loves him, but shares her doubts about re-entering a relationship.

As for Soha, would it really be a big deal for her to meet Dev's ex-es? Like you said, she is mature for her age and (grudgingly) understands that her parents are single. Moreover, she knows that Dev had no idea of her existence in those seven years. I don't think a Dev who (unfairly) took full responsibility for the fact that he didn't know about Soha would have too much of a problem taking ownership and explaining the fact that he had girlfriends when he thought that Sona was never coming back.

I guess I am confused about why you feel this issue compromises the script at this stage in the story?
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: grace4317

Couldn't control myself seeing the insensitiveness of a father to his daughter's emotions. Hence, log ged in. 😡

Is it that he is oblivious to Sona's feelings, but doesn't want Sona to get hurt again and that is why he is acting dumb.


Here's how I understand it. Bijoy sees Dev as a drug that Sona is addicted to, a habit that appears to give her strength and make her feel good temporarily, but that actually weakens her gradually from the inside. He has been trying to get her to quit for years, but she keeps going back for that one last hit. The rest of his family are enabling her to continue this dangerous habit, saying it's what makes her happy and Bijoy is the only one who wants to really save her. When he heard about Ishwari's plan to get Dev remarried, he saw it as someone cutting off Sona's access to this dangerous drug. Sure, withdrawal is extremely painful, but on the other side is de-addction and independence and that is a worthy goal to suffer this pain for. This is how Bijoy sees the situation.

From our perspective (and Asha's now), Dev is more like an anti-anxiety medication for Sona, and she is able to live a much more fulfilling life when she is taking it. Bijoy is like one of those people who stigmatises that dependence, and continually says it's all in her head, and she should be able to overcome her anxiety on her own. He is more focused on the side-effects (which are definitely there) than on the positive effect of the medication, and wants her to avoid medication entirely simply for fear of those side-effects. And he has his reasons.

The first time Sona took this pill, she depended on it completely, the side-effects were very intense and she went off of all medication for seven years. She kind of learned to live with her anxiety but never overcame it. This time, she started with smaller doses on a trial basis, supplemented by her own internal efforts, and the side-effects were toned down quite a bit. Asha is thrilled that the medicine is helping Sona this time, but Bijoy is not happy that she is back on it. He thinks she is better off fighting her demons on her own, even if that means her anxiety is more intense on a day to day basis and she lives a limited life. The medicine is really helping Sona, but she is terrified of being dependent on anything outside of herself.
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Posted: 8 years ago
@'Sam
Amazing explanations .

I agree with your comment on Rekha's post. Sonakshi doesn't need to question Dev regarding his past till she decides to rekindle her relationship with him. Only then she could expect his explanation. That is why she did not even bring Sruthi's issue also though she happened to see her enter his hotel suit. I am sure when the situation demands CVs will clear this through Dev.

I also feel Soha is mature enough to understand whatever happened in seven years in their lives is more of a personal matter. Both of them can live life in their own way during separation. Soha is smart enough to understand the complexities of their relationship. I don't think she will be effected in any way.

You said the fact. Sonakshi need not fall in love again. She is already in love with Dev.


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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Samanalyse



To Sona, he is saying, "I am giving you full responsibility for my future and putting my life in your hands. Think hard about why you are doing this. Is it really for my good, or are you abusing our friendship and my trust in you to enable your facade and avoid your true feelings? If it's the former, your conscience is clear and you'll find me a good partner, but if it's the latter, think about the fact that you are playing with my life just to sidestep your inconvenient and scary feelings."

Ishwari is right in one sense -- Sona does respond well to challenges -- but unlike her son, she hasn't had a chance to see just how tired and broken Sona is right now. This is the first vital angle Ishwari is missing.


[DIV]She suddenly became conscious of the complexity of their relationship, felt that she was taking advantage of Dev's love for her when she couldnt be his life-partner (please note, this never bothered her in Jatin's case, even though he also expressed a desire for more than friendship), and understood that Dev's mother wanted more for him. In classic Sona fashion, she immediately began to clean up the "mess" in an attempt to make everything simple and neat again.




Sam, amazing posts. But they do make me wonder and raise doubts. The above words are what is bringing up these questions in my thoughts. It is true that Sonakshi does well when challenged, but is it true in her personal life too. From my perspective when it comes to her inner most feelings and desires her first choice is to run away from them when they are challenged. Like not revealing that she loves Dev when he did not know that her loved her. I am referring to Natasha track. Why did Sonakshi refrain from ever revealing that she loves him. Why did she fear rejection. I mean why did she not take it as a "challenge" and face the consequences.

It is true that Ishwari has put her ina sticky situation where she has to confront the consequences of her decisions. But if Ishwari had not intervened, would Sonakshi ever move from her comfort zone, the bubble that Dev had created for her. Why does she not want to venture out of her comfort zone. Why rearrange everything in a way where she stays in her comfort zone while the others around her have to do what is uncomfortable for them in order for her to maintain her status quo.

If she feels that she doesn't have any right, then how is she taking such a huge right on his life and making this decision for him. She did say "tumhe shaadi karni hi padegi". How did she say that so authoritatively if she feels that she has no right over him. Is she not taking advantage of Dev's trust in her. By trying to be "selfless", is she not being "selfish". Also is she not creating a bigger "mess" in trying to clean up the "mess" she thinks she has made. Is keeping her facade as important as what she is doing now.

Thank you for the responses. It is my curiosity that usually gets me to overdrive. 😃
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Posted: 8 years ago
@ Shaavi

I also felt " Tumhe Shaadi Karni hi padegi a little too much. Like you said some time ago Sonakshi has similarities with Iswari. It is so easy to say Iswari manipulates the situations to suit her convenience. What is Sona doing? Mallika questioned the same.

If Sonakshi wishes to clean up the mess fine. But she should learn to think about others' convenience first. Like you said if Iswari did not interfere I doubt Sonakshi would ever have come out in the open and admit herself.

I wish Sonakshi should have thought twice before pressurising Dev. How would she have felt if Dev did so with her?


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Posted: 8 years ago
Here I do have a question ,sona would definitely come out of the bubble if Dev could have regained her trust, but on serious note what did Dev do in order to gain sona's trust ...Dev is very good at words but not in actions that is what sona feels right now remember hospital scene when bijoy was admitted..., why didn't Dev take a stand for sonakshi when kalpana was accusing her it is Ishwari who took the stand not Dev right...sona was kicked out of his life twice solely for his mother...now even the proposal of remarriage also came from his mother in wed epi sona asked Dev not to be selfish think about aunty ji ...which he always does so she reminded him...he said that her place can never be given to any one but did he say I am willing to wait to be filled by you ...no.,but Dev has changed but if he show it actions sona would willingly run into his arms ...its my POV not to offense anyone
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: sweetyidiot

Here I do have a question ,sona would definitely come out of the bubble if Dev could have regained her trust, but on serious note what did Dev do in order to gain sona's trust ...Dev is very good at words but not in actions that is what sona feels right now remember hospital scene when bijoy was admitted..., why didn't Dev take a stand for sonakshi when kalpana was accusing her it is Ishwari who took the stand not Dev right...sona was kicked out of his life twice solely for his mother...now even the proposal of remarriage also came from his mother in wed epi sona asked Dev not to be selfish think about aunty ji ...which he always does so she reminded him...he said that her place can never be given to any one but did he say I am willing to wait to be filled by you ...no.,but Dev has changed but if he show it actions sona would willingly run into his arms ...its my POV not to offense anyone


That has been Sonakshi's gripe with Dev that he is unable to take a stand for her infront of Ishwari. She only wants him to support her love and her in front of Ishwari, hence she has trust issues with respect to Dev. This is also Bijoy's fear which is why he has become insensitive and over protective.
And frankly speaking, Dev has not been able to do so. Hence she fears of facing similar conditions again. She knows Dev's love for her but it is not sufficient when it comes to Ishwari's insecurities.

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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: bashingHater2


That has been Sonakshi's gripe with Dev that he is unable to take a stand for her infront of Ishwari. She only wants him to support her love and her in front of Ishwari, hence she has trust issues with respect to Dev. This is also Bijoy's fear which is why he has become insensitive and over protective.
And frankly speaking, Dev has not been able to do so. Hence she fears of facing similar conditions again. She knows Dev's love for her but it is not sufficient when it comes to Ishwari's insecurities.

Yes exactly this is the issue,she is scared damn scared she is not ready for another heart break...she need assurance not by words but actions...I feel Dev needs to take the the charge to bring back his lady love this time Ishwari persistent efforts should backfire ...I so wish Dev gain her trust...she will be readily fighting with the world for their love
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Posted: 8 years ago
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And frankly speaking, Dev has not been able to do so. Hence she fears of facing similar conditions again. She knows Dev's love for her but it is not sufficient when it comes to Ishwari's insecurities.


@ BH2

What insecurities you are talking about? As per my understanding genuinely Iswari changed she asked forgiveness before Sonakshi,before Asha. She may not hesitate to do so before Bijoy even. Frankly speaking I fail to understand what Dev and Iswari has to do to appease Sona and Bijoy.



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Posted: 8 years ago

@Shaavi: Thanks, and since the idea of the posts is to raise questions and doubts, I am happy to respond as best I can. 😊 I think Sona does well with short-term challenges (much like the Khatri issue), as long as the goal is clear before her. She kind of recedes into her shell when it comes to taking risks where the outcome is unknown, and as we know, she tends to make sense of all of this by writing herself into stories where she is the hero. When she takes a challenge, she sees herself as the underdog, destined to victory and when she chooses not to, sees herself as a martyr who used her strength for sacrifice.


That is what was so special to me about the benaam ristha that Dev and Sona had, from the time she found him at the farmhouse until Ishwari brought this request before her. For once in her life, she wasn't trying to write a story around her and Dev's interactions; she was just living in the moment. Dev made that possible by playing it cool, and being grateful for whatever Sona chose to give at that moment. That space did wonders for their intimacy. With this demand that she get Dev to agree for marriage, Ishwari and Asha both foisted a narrative each on Sona, and she chose to go with the safer option, because she doesn't have the strength to fight for her relationship with Dev yet.


Therefore, she is remarking the boundaries and exercising her haq as a friend -- in telling Dev that he simply must get married -- instead of her haq as his undefined love interest. It reminded me a lot of a scene from Friends where Rachel is pregnant with her and Ross' baby but they aren't together. She gets jealous when a woman flirts with Ross and tells him she doesn't want him dating. When he agrees immediately, she responds, "but I am being so unreasonable." Ross tells her that she is allowed to be. That is where Dev is now. According to him, Sona is allowed to be unreasonable, just as long as she is honest about it, but she is cornering herself into this either/or conundrum.


@Sweety: Dev has regained her trust in every way that she has allowed. She trusts him completely as Soha's father, and now as a friend. Otherwise, she wouldn't have come straight to him when Ishwari made her request and she was disturbed by the idea. The truth, though, is that although Sona loves Dev and enjoys being with him, she is still uncomfortable with the idea of remarriage and commitment. The proposal came from Ishwari *because* Dev is trying not to pressure her into something she isn't ready for, and is doing what he can to regain her trust from within the boundaries she has set. To expect Dev to keep pursuing her romantically when she has categorically refused him is to put him in a damned if you do/damned if you don't position.


And it's not like she doesn't know how he feels. He told her that he only considered remarriage when his mother suggested marrying her, he told his mother, point blank in front of Sona that he was not ready to get married, and he told her that he didn't want to give her place to anyone else. In fact, this is what she is running away from, so more such assertions from Dev would only cause her to react the way she did now. The way I see it, Dev didn't say yes to remarriage... he said yes to Sona's demand for his remarriage. He flipped her own game on her: you say you are helping my mother and convincing me to get married for my happiness? Well, I am going to get married, but only for your happiness. To me, that's what it signified when he turned that corny dosti dialogue on her: I'll do what you say, but I'm taking control of how the narrative is framed, because I am not just a character in your story. I have a story of my own.


@All: These new segments are so damn exciting! It reminded me of a sequence from one of my favourite films, Kuch Naa Kaho, when Aishwarya is supposed to find a bride for Abhisek but they end up helping an estranged couple and falling in love themselves. 😆

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