*Season 2, Week 14* Analysis Thread - Page 22

Originally posted by: Shaavi

He Grace, you are not at fault here. Sorry, I just got carried away, that's all. Don't worry about it. Take it easy. 😊

Originally posted by: Snehavinaya

I have a small doubt- preleap they showed Dev as a person who never dated anyone-
His first love was sona . I don't think they showed much physical attraction pre marriage during courtship period- that was deliberate, I suppose.
They connected through soul. That is my inference.
Post marriage- of course, they were shown to have a good sexual life.
Still I felt that they never went overboard with anything.
To put it short- a very decent couple of Telly industry.
Post leap what changed ?
Dev having flings with random girls?
For a person who had enormous opportunities before also-
Never once was showed indecent.
Even with Natasha, he was very cordial.
Basically he didn't even know how to flirt.

Post leap , such a drastic change in his moral values- very hard to digest,
Especially for a person like dev.
He is not even shown like he was interested in girls before.
But with sona he was crossing the limits ( not the bad way)
even before they fell in love.
That means he has that kind of commitment/ connection only with her.
Then , altogether how anybody can change like that ?
Please someone explain this-
Or Dev changed drastically after sona left because for him he couldn't find solace in anything.
But resorting to meaningless flings/ one night stands is not dev style.
That is not his nature.
Me, being from a conservative background couldn't accept this .
Maybe later cvs will clarify this doubt.
Our great thinkers of the thread can throw some light on this character change.
Waiting for your response,

Originally posted by: Shaavi

Thanks Areeba. Your post is very insightful and it is a pleasure to read it. I totally agree with most of what you have said except for the above part. Here I beg to disagree. I understand that she cannot disclose it to Dev as it has something to do with the matriarch and is waiting to let her know first. But is it necessary to let Jatin know about it, discuss to great lengths about it as he is in no way related to that above said "matriarch". He might be Sonakshi's friend, but that doesn't make it right for her to discuss the private affairs of Ishwari with a person who has never even seen her in real. All he knows about Ishwari at this time is what Sonakshi has told him. What information can Jatin give regarding Khatri or his relationship with anyone in IN. Nothing. How would she feel if Dev went to Bunty or the police friend shown earlier and spies on somebody who is annoying her family member without telling her. It is a matter of privacy. If she had kept it to herself and was acting only by herself, I would have agreed with you. But there is no need for her to discuss this matter in such detail with Jatin. He is no one to Ishwari or Dev.

Jatin's intentions might be good, but it does not make what she is doing with Jatin right. Sorry, somehow I am not able to accept this. Lets agree to disagree on this point.😊

Originally posted by: dlavanya

@ Lakshmi @ grace
arey CVs sona ka dress change kana bhool gaye... warna same day soha thik bhi hogayi... ? Dev changed 3-4 shirts... also soha got cured in 2 days !

Lavanya...but, unfortunately it's only 2days...in the first scene of yesterday's episode Dev himself has confirmed when talking to Mamaji, teasing Sona. now, don't ask about the logic of Soha getting cured in 2days...i myself am 😕 with it.

How many times sona meets jatin is not a direct measurement of how much sona loves soha.. or if she is a good mother or not. Jathin is he business partner. they could be discussing some business too ..khatri had not enter scene by then.

As far as I have understood, Lakshmi was discussing about the kitchen scene, na? and khatri's entry was the previous day, right?

But anyways ..in todays episode... Sona bahar gayi... so why did Dev Dixit (ideal father) decide to following/stalking her instead of being at home incase his daughter needs something while her mother is outside roaming around with her best fiend ?. is it that important for him to know if sona is having an affair or meeting Jatin than staying home incase soha needs him ? sochne waali baat hai...

Agree with you here. And we all know, along with the concern he has for Soha being alone, he is getting disturbed thinking about the relation between Sona & Jatin. Let's imagine Dev had married Natasha and for some reason, they get separated for 7 years. What would have been Dev's situation? One thing I am sure, we could have seen Dev atleast in the old attire itself 😆. He would have moved on for sure enlarging his business and concentrating on it, becoming a stringer version of Aubodhro; but I am not sure whether he would have married again. Ok, imagine now Natasha makes a re-entry like Sona with their kid and this kind of situation happens between them. I am sure, Dev would not have done any jassosi on Natasha and would be least bothered evenif he sees Natasha with anyone. He would for sure be concerned for their kid; but for that, he would have hired a full-time nurse to take care of her, till she gets fine. This would have been the Aubodhro Dev's behaviour with any girl, if he hadn't fallen in love. So, ye sab kiska galathi hai? Love ka...jisne Dev ko paagal bana diya...😭 This time I really want Dev to come out of this emotional trap he has set for himself and be the lighter version of Aubodhro he was before & mind his own business.

How long did sona and Dev date and stayed together -- 6 months ?
Sona had known jatin since childhood and he has been a big support duing the last 7 yrs for her and her family - given that Dev and sona are divorced and Dev says he hates her and has moved on ... willing to show 100s of messages from his ex gf that they cant live with out him... why should sona give more importance to Dev and ignore Jatin ? atleast she is not playing any game indicating to Jatin that she and him can be together in future... they are pretty clear on what their relationship is. Dev did not refrain from openly flirting with random women even after he got to know about soha (summer camp episodes)

If Sona wants to move on with Jatin, she can. But I would request the CVs to change Dev back to the old Aubodhro; don't want to watch another Dev ki deewanagi...😊

last but not the least. i really dont appreciate sona's "I am bahu" , or trying to be ishwari's saviour and hiding the truth from dev etc - i think CVs ingeneral messed up the sequence etc in this week's episodes. hopefully the episodes will start to make sense from next week once the cast is back to shoot

Originally posted by: JShukla

this is a lovely thought ..👍🏼👏

Thanks!

However, Sona banked a lot on Dev's love for her and thought Dev would do what she wants for her without her explicitly asking for it. And this is where I agree our internalized misogyny comes to play. We have this sub-conscious belief that a woman demanding and using her privilege is perhaps not as desirable. And I do not blame Sona here. However I really appreciate how you bring forth these very path breaking views in such a simple form.

Not sure if you recall, but I had a longish discussion with Payalj some days back on feminism when I narrated the story of my MIL. Now she is a feminist and a totally open minded woman even with a very basic minimum education and having lived a tough underprivileged life in village.

She'd visit my husband every year once and this year is no exception except that this time I am part of their household(we got married less than 1 year ago).

Mind you , though financially independent small scale entrepreneur, she is someone who stayed in strict purdah all this while

My husband has been very surprised by how she is adapting all the nuances of a city bred woman.😆.. borrowing and flaunting my jeans, capris, visiting our society gym, calling a cab and going around the town by herself while we are away at office.

I got to know how much she craved for such things but never had the courage to ask her own son for them. Even with me it took a lot of cajoling from my side to understand that she has some tiny little fantasies that she wants fulfilled ...

My husband is a totally open minded person but even for him it was ajolt that his 'traditional' mother is not so traditional and may want to break free from some habits thurst upon her...

nothing related to serial, but I guess Sonakshi's or even Ishwari;s thought process is that a demanding woman may not get the love and respect that a sacrificing one would garner.

That said, I don't think Dev would have agreed to set up seperate house with Sona even if she demanded it before marriage. I feel this demand from Sona would have ultimately killed off his love for Sona.😕

Yes, I remember your discussion with Payal and salute your MIL for the way she dealt with her unfavourable circumstances, and you, for opening her, and your husband, up to the idea that she might want something more. I completely agree that women demanding things for themselves is not seen in a good light -- look at Neha (I will come to that in the next section)!

Sona did depend a lot on Dev's love, and from what I have heard from my married friends, that is a common rookie mistake. She genuinely felt like opening up about her doubts regarding Ishwari would make her the villain and she didn't feel safe taking that risk (especially given the circumstances of their marriage after the first break up). That's why, even when she had Dev's attention, she didn't broach the issue head on. That day when Ishwari sent her home after the Neha fiasco, Dev followed her, and Bijoy kicked them out, Dev really made an effort to get her to communicate what the problem was. When she told him she felt like she didn't belong in his house, his reaction was, "okay, I am listening; how do we work on this?"

And instead of telling him the crux of the problem: that Ishwari didn't respect their privacy as a couple (the whole safe key thing) but expected her to respect the privacy of their family where it came to Neha, she asked to get a jhoola and for Dev to do chores. Dev didn't understand head or tail of how this would make Sona feel more at home, but he did it, or made an effort, because he respected her feelings and wanted her to be happy. The issue became that Dev fell in love with Sona for not needing him to decode her but then after marriage, because she was trying to fit into this patriarchal model, she ended up asking just that of him. It was confusing for both of them.

As for living separately, that was not at all necessary in order to achieve equality (which can take many forms). Since Dev not being able to leave his mother was not only a gender question, what would have helped their marriage immensely was having a conversation about exactly why it was important for them to live in IN, and accepting that this wasn't a given.

Neha wanted privileges for having sacrificed her childhood. But she sacrificed childhood for Dixits and wanted privileges at Ranveer's place. And this is where Neha's ordinariness makes itself glaringly visible. She had a rich brother who was ready to get her taught the required money making and other skills. She never tried using the available tools to get the independence and luxuries she desired. And from what I understand she is still dependent on her rich merchant navy husband to 'provide' for her.

Neha didn't want "privilege," she wanted her fair share of the family's success. She wanted to be taken seriously as an adult who had contributed just as much as Dev or Ishwari had, but she never got that validation in IN. That is why she constantly demanded things, because if she didn't, the duo would be more than happy to push her inconvenient truth out of their minds. And I understand her sense of injustice. While she was slogging away on the domestic side, Dev got an education and began a super-successful career, and now that he is successful, she was *allowed* to start from scratch on her own academic aspirations and "earn" her independence?

Dev's struggle was real, no doubt, but what he expected from Neha was double the struggle: now that I finished my journey, which you worked equally hard to support, you can start yours. Where is her compensation for all the years of childcare she provided? If Neha had not stepped up, or had not been around, Ishwari would have had to leave the smaller kids in a creche and that would have cost money. Where is the acknowledgment of all that Neha saved with her blood, sweat and tears? It raises an important point of how we dismiss domestic labour because it is not monetised. What Neha wanted was for someone to acknowledge what she had done and congratulate her for it, not pity or dismiss her. She thought Ranveer had understood that, which is why she agreed to marry him without her previous conditions, but much like Sona, she counted too much on his love being paramount to Ranveer.

Then we have a Riya who never demanded a better position or may be was denied a higher position coz she was too hesitant as a woman?

Good point. The comparison between Riya and Vicky is really apt. Riya was content to earn her place at the company while Vicky demanded, and felt entitled to a high position right off the bat. Who knows? If Riya had "leaned in" more, she might be Dev's proxy instead of Vicky and wouldn't that be so much better for everyone? 😆

Sam- Even I am not an advocate of patriarchy model. But isn't it borne out of 'men as providers ' rule. Until we make it mandatory for all men/women to earn their own living I don't think we can tear down this model.

Word. The tricky thing about that is that women have to give up certain privileges that are built into patriarchy -- like having a guy pay for dinner when you go out, or having a husband deal with paperwork or car repairs. Because it is so embedded, it can't happen all of a sudden, but has to unfold over generations, with women (and men) actually wanting things to change. Seeing thoughtful content like this on a mainstream GEC helps me stay optimistic for gradual change. 😊

Originally posted by: Aishu13

Garden Por Una Cabeza
Hi everyone!
I felt something since post leap, I will say now, don't think of it in a creepy context.
I felt Golu symbolizes the wife Dev wanted. If you think about it the understanding, support, and thought he brings is unmatchable even by Sona (please don't get mad). His feeling of what Dev was feeling was evident, causing him to be an unmatchable support. He is the one who brings the child, parent and many aspects of Dev not seen by people. That is what I feel Dev wanted post marriage.

Originally posted by: Snehavinaya

I have a small doubt- preleap they showed Dev as a person who never dated anyone-
His first love was sona . I don't think they showed much physical attraction pre marriage during courtship period- that was deliberate, I suppose.
They connected through soul. That is my inference.
Post marriage- of course, they were shown to have a good sexual life.
Still I felt that they never went overboard with anything.
To put it short- a very decent couple of Telly industry.
Post leap what changed ?
Dev having flings with random girls?
For a person who had enormous opportunities before also-
Never once was showed indecent.
Even with Natasha, he was very cordial.
Basically he didn't even know how to flirt.

Post leap , such a drastic change in his moral values- very hard to digest,
Especially for a person like dev.
He is not even shown like he was interested in girls before.
But with sona he was crossing the limits ( not the bad way)
even before they fell in love.
That means he has that kind of commitment/ connection only with her.
Then , altogether how anybody can change like that ?
Please someone explain this-
Or Dev changed drastically after sona left because for him he couldn't find solace in anything.
But resorting to meaningless flings/ one night stands is not dev style.
That is not his nature.
Me, being from a conservative background couldn't accept this .
Maybe later cvs will clarify this doubt.
Our great thinkers of the thread can throw some light on this character change.
Waiting for your response,

Originally posted by: sjain

Ok I will talk about few things from Khatri Sonakshi scene from today's episode purely looking at what happened..Sonakshi decided to bribe Khatri which was very interesting and smart though her logic was in business one has to pay price of everything..But here Khatri actually demanded money from Ishwari to keep his mouth shut..and offering him money was precise way to get in terms with him and her guts were too much as if she has faced such situation in past..strong independent Sonakshi's glimpses were seen their..But this Khatri guy had absolutely fantastic dialogs today..He was actually scary and dialog writers gave him some crisp cold lines..and this actor playing did fab job their my most fav line " woh bhi kabhi himmat nahi haari jawani mein widhwa ho gayi, uske chaar chotey chotey bacche the, ek muthhi mrin apna pallu pakad kar badan dhakti thi aur doosri muthhi mein apni himmat aur khuddari"..This line was so powerful it stir something inside me..well done writers..It defined Ishwari and I am still not guessing what that "Jurm" thing is ..coz I Simply dont want to LOL let it come

Okay I have to rant a bit more sorry DQ for this if it break rule but i have to get it out..I hate the kind of bitterness people have for Ishwari and how they are making fun of her past and struggles ..making her couple with Khatri..Everything is not funny people ..I feel like shouting For god sake grow up and be mature so childish god..calling him her premi..lover.. their adhuri love story..Its just so frustrating..I Am sorry for this But i had no place to vomitofy this and it was angering me alot

My POV No offence