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Posted: 8 years ago
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@Minnie: This wasn't really the topic of the thread, but since you have asked, yes, I am a feminist, and the first step is understanding that feminism is a movement that fights for equality of genders and sexes. But the jouney doesn't end there. The next step is thinking about what equality actually means because no ideology has meaning if we cannot apply it to real life situations and embedded ideas. Yes, I do expect more from Sona at this juncture in the story, that expectation has nothing to do with the fact that she is a woman. It has to do with the fact that she has enjoyed certain privileges and advantages that have empowered her greatly to deal with the current circumstances, especially with regards to Soha and I expect her to act accordingly.


If you want to compare Sona and Ishwari, do it on an even playing field. When Sona found herself without a husband, she still had her education, her career, her family, and apparently a ready investor in Jatin. Ishwari had nobody but Mamaji, and the help he could provide was severely limited by RR. So I ask, where is the equality here? Sona, throughout her life, was empowered. She was given the tools to face life as a single person if need be, and she did just that. Ishwari was born into a system that severely disempowered her, that makes women completely dependent on men, and then stigmatises them when they make their way without one. Ishwari is, and has always been, a disempowered person, so her manipulations don't surprise me; that is the only safe form of communication women had in a traditional system. I expect more from Sona because she has been given all the tools of empowerment available to women today. Moreover, Ishwari raised her children alone because she had no other choice. Sona made the choice to parent Soha on her own when she chose not to tell Dev about her existence, and even then had her entire family + Jatin + domestic help.

Now for the Dev side of things, Sona has been a parent for six years. Dev has been a parent for three days. So yes, I expect different levels of maturity from them. I expect Sona to be the one in charge and to take more initiative because she is Soha's primary parent, the one who actually knows her daughter well. I do expect maturity from Dev, and I don't condone his impulsive actions, but I also understand where they are coming from. He is being forced to work for a position that should be his right, a right was taken away from him without his say so. So yes, I do expect Sona to take responsibility for her choice, and if she wants to do what is best for her daughter, show a little empathy when it comes to handling Dev, if not because he deserves it, because it helps him toe the line with Soha. It's a matter of equalising the relationships, and facing the consequences of a decision she made. That is the mark of the empowered woman I would like to see in Sona.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: rock&roll


🤣🤣🤣...Bang on..Yhat is what this seems to be about..And in our 20s and 30s we r watching custody battles of grandmas for grandchildren😆

Kitne faltu baithe hain hum😆😆

The story should be retitled as Ek Dadi ki Dadagiri🤣🤣
I think the background score for this serial should be

Dadi teri Suhana ko Sona le gayi
Baaki jo bacha tha tera beta le gaya😆😆😆

PS:Sorry dear,u started a serious topic,but am currently not in a state of mind to give serious inputs..the episodes are getting outlandishly illogical and funnier by the day...So I hv kept my logic aside totally

Hilarious.. 😆 The title of the show is too good.. Ek Daadi ki dadagiri.. 👏🤣

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Ishwari ke 35 years ke bholebhale bache ke bare mai aisa nahi bolte 🤔 buri baat bahot hi buri baat hai bechara itna chota bacha relationship ko samj nahi sakta thoda time to do bacche ko 😡 usse apni age ke bacho golu - soha ke sth rehnedo tabhi to vo samjega aur apne relationship ko sabhal payega na? abb bache ki jaan loge kya?
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Posted: 8 years ago
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My sincere advise. Do not even try to understand Dev anymore. it is injurious to your health.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@Suvika, @DBRK, @ Luckie2

Yes , even I believe the change in track has something to do with the extension...but my mind is also telling me it is to give more screen space to Supriya ji ( Nothing against her, I have great appreciation for her and have enjoyed various role played by her ) It looks as if Ishwari to the lead now. Or else why would they belittle the ML character to such an extant??

Too much of negativity . Many times I think even EK serial shows the couple working as a team and winning against evil. Here the team is Ishwari and Dev


@Pehchaan.Kaun

You are spot on , when you said "The character of Dev Dixit is beyond my ability to comprehend anymore" . This is one serial /story where I couldnt understand the logic behind a characters behaviour.

@ Sargesh , @ Twin Flames , @Dhank


I agree with you that, he at least had the heart to follow what she said. But you know what , he will not listen to her after sometime. Once he gets Soha to trust him and his mom..they will take her away from Sonakshi...not that he would want to do it ...it will be his mom's way in this case also...and that lil child will be taken away from the love of her mom like the way Dev was taken away from the love of his wife.

CVs of this show has a partial approach to Ishwari and they justify every action of hers by butchering the male lead. I am sure beyond a certain level even viewers wont be able to take it .

@ Coolmeet,
Yes true , now both Dev and Sonakshi's hope to life is their daughter..just like Sonakshi's story Soha is their sun..both Sunflower and gardner needs Sun's warmth for them to be alive.

@rock@roll, @ diyah_us, @Push-pull
Your post cracked me up...I had a hearty laugh. No need to be sorry a lil bit of humor is always good for health. Especially when our blood is boiling looking at Ishwari's antiques. So when we get to hear jokes on her..its always a pleasure...I know sadistic rt ? ...cant help !!

@Chuckleduddy

Yes , agreed . He knows that his mom is the main reason behind his misfortune . He knows Sonakshi did come knocking at his door steps...unlike what his mom kept saying that she didnt turn back even once...here his mom was denying happiness for 7 years of his life...but he seems to be ok about it...

Where as Sonakshi has given all she could for this relationship including giving birth to the love of their life ...that too at a time when she was short of cash , no house to stay and no one to support...

But look at what he is doing to her ...that is why I asked CVs about the logic behind Dev's hatred towards Sonakshi.

@SummerRain7,

Completely agree with your below statement.

"In any case I blame the creatives for not executing this well enough for the audience to be able to empathize with the characters. "

When you read a book/story or watch a movie/serial, the reader /viewer should be able to understand the logic behind the act of every character that is been protrayed . If majority failed to understand then there is an issue in the way they have created the character and that definitly is a failure from a creative POV.

@Samanalyse, @minnie

Sam, You did mention one valid point

Instead, if Sona had something formal like, "I know this is not easy, but thanks for your patience; it will really help Soha in the long run," she would have tapped once again into Dev's sense of higher purpose and his patience would have stretched a little longer

Sam, I liked your poing, the only way to conquer Dev is love and silence...he hates silence from her. We have seen it before when he broke her phone, during the birthday track etc. He always said that he doesnt like when she doesnt talk to him and ignore him. He wants her to react /respond to him...even if it means anger or hatred...there is something that connects with her.

But the problem here is Sonakshi is also on the verge of a breakdown. As @minnie23008 mentioned all of them are going thru a difficult situation..and are confused too..they all want Soha ( SUN ) to themseleves...but in reality we need to understand ...Sun doesnt belong to any one...but every one needs Sun for existance hence they have to share THE SUN !!

NOTE : - Isnt that how human society is made...man is a social animal, but each one of them have their own existence but can they live alone for long ...no...they need each other to survive as they are meant to survive in groups and hence have to share the environment...basics of human existence

Most of us forget above mentioned basic fact . In our day to day life and become possessive and insecure of people we love and care...we would want to have control on them so that they wont leave us and there by destroying their individual freedom and their existence...




Edited by WeRockTheWorld - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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What's wrong if he wants soha to meet her grandmother.
He is not become old dev now by helping her as he also know that her mother also need to meet her granddaughter.
She has done many thing wrong and he also given her punishment by stop loving her or stop giving respect to her and it's biggest punishment for her but it doesn't mean dev will keep her away from every happiness .

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: SummerRain7

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But this still doesn't give him a free pass to act or speak in any manner that he wishes to, completely unmindful and forgetful of the events that led up to their separation and the fact that Sona did make at least one attempt to reach out to him.

I am not arguing for a free pass here. The TM asked why Dev is behaving in the way he is, and I just tried to answer that question to the best of my ability. It's of course then up for discussion, and I really enjoyed your response.

Blue - Now this is where I have an issue. I don't understand why she has to be the understanding one all the time, while he gets to act out as and when he pleases. This is probably one of the biggest grouses that I have with the creatives of most Indian soaps. That the male lead is allowed to express , vent out , break down , be confused , feel helpless , hurt themselves and others and just be human while the female lead has to be near perfect/superwoman material. In fact they alternate between being a complete doomat and a superwoman. There is no middle ground. So every time Sona reacts in anger or reacts without putting much thought into it , as a viewer and a woman I am like 'There ..there ..she is human after all just like him ' .

It's not a question of absolutes. She doesn't have to be the understanding one *all" the time, and I too enjoy her bursts of emotion immensely and wish we could see more of them, but in this particular situation I think she has more of a responsibility because she is Soha's active parent. She knew Dev had no idea that Soha existed (as evidenced by the first episode of S2) but made the choice not to tell him. That extra responsibility comes from that choice. I agree with you for the most part on female leads in serials, but for the most part, Sona has been an exception. The very fact that she hid Soha and it wasn't even Dev who turned her away that day shows that the makers are not afraid to let her be flawed. I have no issues with the actual hiding of Soha; I just want Sona to own that choice, and to accept the consequences, one of which is Dev's justifiable anger.

Green - At this point in time I can only consider these as assumptions. Post leap they haven't shown anything that made me feel like Dev is burdened by any sort of guilt, especially with regards to his broken marriage . This season 2 version of Dev comes across as a rebellious man and his anger and rebellion comes from not getting what he wanted out of life, not out of any sense of guilt or regret . If anything , he feels that he was the only one who was wroned and betrayed , conveniently forgetting the part he himself played in this disaster . Just my POV.

They are inferences and interpretations, but not assumptions. Dev told Golu he made one decision and it turned out to be wrong; he *failed* in the test of life. He also called himself a "nakaam" pati when he was telling Ishwari about Soha. The greatest evidence is his changed attitude with Ishwari; he is able to draw boundaries now. He cares about her happiness, but does not let her make decisions and instead of lying to perserve her feelings, he shares the truth no matter how harsh it is. He is angry at Sona because she didn't stick around patiently to watch all this happen, as he is confident it would have, eventually. He is not going to show that remorse to Sona, just as she won't show him, because he is scared of being rejected again.

In any case I blame the creatives for not executing this well enough for the audience to be able to empathize with the characters. Showing that Dev has turned into a casanova , has lost faith it relationships and does not see eye to eye with his mother is not enough . Showing that Sona has become a successful businesswoman who does not believe in wasting her time on unnecessary things or people is also not enough. A flash back into their struggles during the last seven years would be interesting to watch ( I still haven't lost my hopes on that ) and as a viewer I am dying to get a sneakpeak into their thought process. When Sona was turned away by Ishwari when she came to IN with Soha what was her state of mind ? Did she breakdown or was she consumed by rage ? How did she decide that she was not going to make anymore attempts to reach out to Dev . In the same manner I would love to know what was Dev babu's state of mind once he sobered up after that fateful night. Did he make an attempt to find out what happened with the Bose family especially since he believed that he was the one who signed the necessary papers to get them thrown out. If not out if any undying love for his wife , at least out of basic humanity. Until these things are revealed it would be difficult to understand or empathize with Dev. When it comes to Sonakshi I may not be able to connect with her all the time but I can still cheer for her like I cheer for my favourtive super heroes.

These are million-dollar questions we all have at this point! 😉

Blame it on Indian TV for making the male leads CRAPPY REAL while the female leads are near perfect and unreal. I may have deviated from the main topic and ranted ..sorry about that .
I am totally with you on desi soaps in general, but this one did a good job in S1. Sona was very real and flawed and beautiful. S2, there has been a lot fewer glimpses into her inner world, but hopefully they are taking us there gradually.

Edited by Samanalyse - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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And he says sonakshi never understood him and apparently her bad luck! I say it's good luck that she moved out from his life and mad house
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I haven't watched the episode yet but just by reading the update my heart dropped to my stomach. In just three days it seems like Dev and Ishwari are obsessed with Soha, I dare to say this that I absolutely support Bijoy here. This mother-son duo can easily spoil Soha's innocent childhood. I've no doubt that the moment Soha is with Dixits, she would start hearing all the worst things about Sona and Bose's family which are mostly interpretations of Dixit's convenience.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: --Amulya--

I haven't watched the episode yet but just by reading the update my heart dropped to my stomach. In just three days it seems like Dev and Ishwari are obsessed with Soha, I dare to say this that I absolutely support Bijoy here. This mother-son duo can easily spoil Soha's innocent childhood. I've no doubt that the moment Soha is with Dixits, she would start hearing all the worst things about Sona and Bose's family which are mostly interpretations of Dixit's convenience.

yes absolutely! Soha said today "mamma ne bola aapke saath time spend karo" and still he blames sona! and threatened to snatch Soha! *I choose to ignore Ishwari*

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