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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: deepsel

<font size="2" color="#ff0000">Uff finally I managed to ditch my family and steal an hour on Sunday noon to read the previous thread and this😆because I need privacy and calm mind to grasp on the wonderful views inside here😊.</font>

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<font size="2" color="#ff0000">First things first Congratulations to all beautiful souls here for the new thread and new week of exciting discussions🤗Thank you Sam and DQ !!</font>
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<font size="2" color="#ff0000">So many interesting views but I have to make a special mention of "Payal's" garden analogy wrt Sonakshi side of reasoning in previous thread..thoroughly enjoyed reading it !!👏</font>
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<font size="2" color="#ff0000">I always love reading about Ishwari because she was my first favorite character when this serial started and Sam I loved your post on her in first page👍🏼.My anger aside for butchering her character, I did ponder over that dialog " Golu brought back that little happiness in Dev's life and I didn't want Sona to spoil it again by coming back" . Oddly enough I felt some genuinity in her reasoning that instance because all she saw in Dev- Sona relationship is hurt for Dev (I know its majorly because of her but mother's eye sees only what it want to see especially with insecure eyes like Ishwari's ) . According to Ishwari, Dev started lying , hiding, compromising pain (jhula), loosing patience, questioning her thoughts (vrat) all because of Sona since nothing of this sort happened in Dev's life before. According to her he was living a peaceful life as a giver to this family willingly and she filled the gap of his happiness wherever required with her cooking and mamta. She did wanted Sona to stay thick and skin like Elena for Dev if she claims to love him more than his mother, so when Sona left her theory proved true that no one can make Dev happy like her! However leaving Sona left a deep void in her son which she couldn't fill and Golu came. Ishwari got a lifeline to get her son back to older ways slowly and steadily and didn't want to rock that steadying boat with allowing Sona inside. And constant blaming on Sona for not looking back is her way of keeping that sailing in check. I am not trying to justify Ishwari's actions here but merely trying to understand how genuine that dialog was !!😳</font>
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<font size="2" color="#ff0000">Now coming to the most important debate in last thread.."Was Dev celibate ?"😆(Super likes to all who discussed about this🤣)</font>
<font size="2" color="#ff0000">I will say Dev is definitely not celibate but red chilly didn't enter any other honey pot either🤣. So thats make him alive and human for modern thinkers and faithful for conservative audience as well😆</font>
<font size="2" color="#ff0000">So yes I don't think Devakshi are divorced😎(Nowadays am used to eating humble pies, so bring it on CVs😉😆)</font>

Well it is not really about Dev being celibate but about the way he reacted about Jatin.Now anybody could easily assume Jatin being Sona's bf at first instance the way Dev reacted to angrily and started breaking things seemed weird to me.The guy can't bear any one touching Sona or taking his place in her life toh intna overacting kyu karte ho Sona ke samne.The way he talked about betrayal and moving on to Ishwari seemed as if he is still pinning for Sona and also taunted Sona on moving on.Our doubts will get cleared in coming episodes till that time lets keep guessing it's more fun 😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Amazing posts @Shaavi and everyone 👏 @Deeps ..you manage to crack us up anytime:)))

Such interesting reads regarding all the characters... really amazing :)


I think whenever the pre-nup issue comes up to Sonakshi ..Ishwari will tell the truth that she was the one who tricked Dev to sign it.. and Sonakshi will believe her! Just like Ishwari spoke the truth regarding not allowing Sonakshi to enter and sending her back
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@Deepa ...red chillies and honey pot ...[=))]
ohhh i m still rofling [=))]
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@Shaavi n Deepa awesum analysis on ishwari ...
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Posted: 8 years ago
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In YouTube KRPKAB Set India where the episodes are available, 3 of the episodes are blocked and not available(in U.S. not sure in India). The ones that are blocked are --

1) It is the episode where Dev and Sonakshi meet for coffee date near Sonakshi's house. Here he says that he broke his promise to her regarding not eating oily food, but is not able to feel really bad as the halwa tasted good. Sonakshi says it's ok. Then Dev tells her that he tried to gift Ranveer a flat. They both argue with Sonakshi saying it was wrong of Dev as it was a matter of pride and self respect, while Dev says it is love. Sonakshi asks him to put himself in Ranveer's place and see while Dev asks her to put herself in his place and see. Dev then leaves. The following day both are restless but neither one is ready to start the conversation and each want the other person to begin. Finally when Dev is about to start for office, Sonakshi calls out to him and tells that she tried to see his pov but was not able to and Dev says that he was not able to either. He then asks her what they should do as he loves her and did not want to fight with her. Sonakshi tells him it was ok and they could agree to disagree and move on with their relationship.

2) This is the episode where Sonakshi sits for mudikhayi ritual, is given a diamond necklace by Ishwari and is taunted by others. Where Dev speaks on Sonakshi's behalf saying that she was the leading nutritionist. Was smart and beautiful but also respected elders. He also says that he considered himself lucky that Sonakshi had chosen her. After the ritual, maami remarks that Sonakshi might have lost her senses on receiving the diamond necklace. Sonakshi replies that it was true that she did not dream of diamonds because she was too busy studying, becoming independent, taking her own decisions and fulfilling her parents dream. She never thought that she would have to sit in front of people and they would come and point out her shortcomings. Daadi bua asks how much she earns to which Sonakshi replies that she earns enough to fulfill the needs of her family without having to beg from others and also where she does not have to call herself GKB.

3) The episode just before Dev gets shirtless 😆 . In this episode Dev tells her that from that moment onwards they would try to be happy with each other. Sonakshi says that she was sorry that she got angry but was happy that Dev was with her, they were together and even Ishwari did want good for them. She also says she will wear the dress if he wants her to. Dev says that he would like it if she looked 'hot' on their honeymoon. After their dressing up and meeting for dinner, Dev remarks that she was looking "hot". They have their nok jok where Dev tells everything he did during their breakup as she did. When Sonakshi remarks that it was Dev who did that and not her, he says that he was talking about Mrs. Dixit while she was Ms. Bose. Sonakshi says she does not want to play that game anymore and wants to be Mrs. Dixit always. Later due to the dinner menu being selected by Ishwari, Sonakshi leaves from there and burns her fingers in the fire. Dev comes and gives her his coat and says that Ishwari had talked to the doctor and arranged all this so he couldn't say anything. They argue where he calls it their vacation she says it was not so but a mission to make baby. She continues that she did not have any identity of her own but whatever it was, it was the baby and that she was just the carrier. Sonakshi tells Dev that he was always looking for temporary solutions, was not talking to Ishwari, was trying to keep everyone happy even though it was only for a few minutes. Dev retorts that what was wrong with trying to keep everyone happy and that he wanted both his mom and wife happy. He also says they were alone there and that it doesn't matter to him if she gets pregnant or not, that she cannot become the mother of his children.

Sonakshi leaves from there and the fire burns out by the falling snow. In their room, Sonakshi fights with Dev saying that everyone was always pointing her "lacking" all the time, that she had started to hate herself and all Dev was doing was trying to be "mahaan'. She also continues saying that she couldn't even give home a baby and asks if she should spend her life saying sorry to him.

I feel the POV portrayed in these episodes are what are going to play a pivotal role in the upcoming story line. If in the first one they argued regarding gifts and their price. While for Dev money was just a means to an end. For him when it came to family there was no ego. It was just what he could give in the relationship. But for Sonakshi it was kind of like pointing out the difference in the financial status, like saying you are not equal to us.

In the episode with the mu dikhayi, it was about self sufficiency and also Dev saying that he considers himself lucky because Sonakshi had chosen him. He put her above him in front of everyone. Here Sonakshi said that she thought no one would point out her deficiencies. In other words she did not think that her lacking would matter or would be mentioned.

The episode in Shimla was the interesting one. Here she said that he should stop being mahaan. But from what was seen during their marriage she was the one who did things making her mahaan, like a saint. Dev had actually lied regarding a lot of things and Sonakshi had forgiven that while he had done no such thing I.e. Sonakshi had not lied or done any for which Dev had to forgive her.

In this season I feel like I am watching murder mystery series rather than family drama series 😆 . It seems that the clues are very deliberate in regards to pointing to the hero being the culprit. It is just too easy and there are plenty available that the hero is the wrong one. But only when the clues are sifted and untangled the real villain is exposed and the innocence of hero is proved. I somehow think this is what will happen with Dev 😃 😉 .
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@Shaavi, I also want to know the 'real' culprit 😆 . The most maligned character is Dev and can't help but feel for the guy. Like he said aeons ago 😆 he's a complicated man and we sure would love to see how his brain works. Yes, season 2 is kinda open-ended threads hanging out left to the viewer's discretion whether to make something beautiful or tangle up 😆 . I'm scared for Dev today maybe he'll get bashed again? So waiting for Dev's bond with Soha, couldn't care two hoots about Ishwari. Gosh! This lady thinks her granddaughter was dropped by a stork? 😡
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Now coming to the most important debate in last thread.."Was Dev celibate ?"😆 (Super likes to all who discussed about this 🤣)
I will say Dev is definitely not celibate but red chilly didn't enter any other honey pot either🤣. So thats make him alive and human for modern thinkers and faithful for conservative audience as well 😆


Deepa I need to peep into this superb encyclopedia you have...mummy is asking me what you cracked you up so much...🤣 ☺️

Yeah you are right the conservative in me cannot accept that other honey pots have been explored...
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: deepsel

I always love reading about Ishwari because she was my first favorite character when this serial started and Sam I loved your post on her in first page👍🏼. My anger aside for butchering her character, I did ponder over that dialog " Golu brought back that little happiness in Dev's life and I didn't want Sona to spoil it again by coming back" . Oddly enough I felt some genuinity in her reasoning that instance because all she saw in Dev- Sona relationship is hurt for Dev (I know its majorly because of her but mother's eye sees only what it want to see especially with insecure eyes like Ishwari's ) . According to Ishwari, Dev started lying , hiding, compromising pain (jhula), loosing patience, questioning her thoughts (vrat) all because of Sona since nothing of this sort happened in Dev's life before. According to her he was living a peaceful life as a giver to this family willingly and she filled the gap of his happiness wherever required with her cooking and mamta. She did wanted Sona to stay thick and skin like Elena for Dev if she claims to love him more than his mother, so when Sona left her theory proved true that no one can make Dev happy like her! However leaving Sona left a deep void in her son which she couldn't fill and Golu came. Ishwari got a lifeline to get her son back to older ways slowly and steadily and didn't want to rock that steadying boat with allowing Sona inside. And constant blaming on Sona for not looking back is her way of keeping that sailing in check. I am not trying to justify Ishwari's actions here but merely trying to understand how genuine that dialog was !!😳So many interesting views but I have to make a special mention of "Payal's" garden analogy wrt Sonakshi side of reasoning in previous thread..thoroughly enjoyed reading it !!👏



Hi Deeps...as i have mentioned in Chitra's thread 'Roses for the lovely ladies' you were one of those whose impartial & unbiased posts that pulled me into joining IF, and that too sirf KRPKAB ke liye.

Now adding up to ur portrayal of Ishwari I would like to add the following point and what made me to think from her point of view is my personal experiences, as my hubby, his brother and MIL had passed through somewhat similar situations as Ishwari & Dev. In the midst of all the distractions & misfortunes my FIL passed away and it was because of her prayer, perseverance and patience only that both her sons are what they are today. And in all her struggles, it was my hubby (being the elder child) who supported her both physically & emotionally. All these I came to know only after our marriage; but one thing my hubby had cleared on the first telecon we had before our marriage, is that my hubby & his brother are like the two eyes of my MIL and they would want it to be like that forever. Till date I have ensured that their relation is maintained as it was before our marriage. .

Now coming back to Ishwari & Dev, the first 3 episodes of season 1 is enough to understand the depth of the relation between them. Rewatching it made me understand why inspite of all these betrayals Dev can't leave Ishwari for good. In one instance when Ishwari doesn't take care of her injured hand, Dev warns her that if she continues so, he will inflict himself with double the pain. Secondly, during the housewarming session when some of his friends praises him as the most successful person present there, Dev immediately corrects them and taking his mother's hands says that the only kamyaabi person there is his mother. And in return, he asks Ishwari to say a few sentences. To which she voices out how she sold everything except a cup which had Dev's name inscribed on it and how she always used to polish it to keep his name shining. Same way, she always wanted Dev's name to shine everywhere. Here, I really felt bad for Neha, as both mother & son didn't even think of giving any credits to the hardships she had to bear. No wonder why Ishwari found it difficult to accept Sona between them. Coming to the most important part, in another instance, Ishwari tells him to forget the past, to which Dev replies 'Zakhm kitne gehre/purane ho jaye vo dost ban jaye'. But later with Sona's help this Zakhm starts getting healed. And that is when Ishwari starts holding onto their past to get back her Dev. If we trace back, the exact incident that triggered Ishwari's insecurity and making her feel that she was losing her haq on her son was when she came to know that Dev sat for the pooja on Sona's insistence. The fact that, something which she couldn't achieve in the past 20yrs, a girl who just have 2-3 months relation with Dev could achieve, was really unbearable to her and that was the moment I believe she started seeing Sona as an outsider & competitor. In addition to that what was more shocking to her was that against her belief, Dev hided this relation from her!!!. Till now, Ishwari doesn't know it is Dev who first proposed to Sona. For her, the way she had understood Sona (based on the mobile phone matter, calling him dumb & all), Sona is bold enough to propose Dev. And Dev being weak-minded had fallen in her trap. That's what Ishwari still has in her mind. Her comments during the recent Jatin issue clearly portrays this belief of hers. Adding upto it, more than their lovey-dovey moments, Ishwari has mostly witnessed Dev-Sona's fights & arguments. And evenif she wants to believe they love each other, her insecurity doesn't allow her as she knows the power of true love between a husband & wife or 2 lovers (reference is the episode where she narrates to RR that evenif they were together only for 10yrs those were the most beautiful moments in her life when she had her kid's father with her. And that eventhough they were poor, their love made their life beautiful. The same she repeats to Neha in one of the episodes before marriage). So, Ishwari herself may not be fully aware of the mixed emotions taking place in her. But one thing is sure that she's highly insecure and that's why she manipulates the situations (consciously or subconsciously) to keep Sona away from Dev. Though I could understand andaccept Ishwari's actions to some level I couldn't digest when she tried to increase the distance between Dev-Sona whenever they fighted. First was when they had a fight on fasting issue, she comes & emotionally manipulates Sona to go to her mayka. But, luckily Dev spolied her plans. Second was when they fighted on Vicky issue, she cancels the candle light dinner idea of Sona and sends her to the bedroom. She knew Dev would get irritated with Sona for the same. If it were not for the infertility reports getting revealed, this fight would have extended. Third was during Ranveer's job issue, Neha has a talk with Sona at the dining table. Here, after hearing that conversation, Ishwari immediately asks Sona whether she's not going for Bhaidooj and if she wanted she could stay there for more days to which Sona agrees. But, there also Dev spoiled her plan. And finally, twisting her words on that fateful day when she saw Dev-Sona fighting tooth and nail, where she succeded in getting Sona from Dev's life. When the fact is that she is doing all this due to her insecurity, she might be teaching her mind to believe that it's all for Dev's bhalai. And which mother would not want to see her son happy. And that's why she doesn't have even a slight remorse of guilt till now.

Having said about Ishwari, I can't stop without mentioning about Bijoy Baba. I had always hoped if Bijoy had tried atleast for once to understand Dev (as a person who lost his father when he was 8yrs old) and start giving him that care & love he missed, how the story would have progressed. But no... a person who couldn't understand his son, how come can i expect it from him. I am sure if instead of Saurabh, if Sona was the one who had started the undergarment business, he would given his full support, because she was his pride and whatever she did was correct. This is were I am waiting for Ronita's entry to see how Baba's dynamics will change. If we remember, both the breakups happened after the Boses' visit to IN and in both cases it was Baba's impulsive actions & conclusions that led to it. In the first case his apprehensions was still reasonable. But, in the second case, I expected the Boses to act according to their class & the educational background they had. As a person who had gone through a similar situation i can for sure say the impact of behaving cool would have a unimaginable result in Dev-Sona's lives. Once my parents were insulted by my MIL for having used my hubby's airport trip for collecting my brother's marksheets, as she was angry that her son couldn't have the breakfast prepared by her. Inspite of my hubby again & again telling her that he had no problem with it and to keep quiet, she kept on rambling...So instead of getting heated up, what i did was, i just eyed my mom to leave immediately with my father. Otw, they were supposed to leave only after having lunch with us. Why i did so is bcos, I understood that it's not bcos she hated my parents she behaved so; rather her love for her child made her react in this manner, though it might seem irrational to most of us. By behaving so, my parents thus scored a brownie point in my hubby's eyes and recently i was surprised to hear my hubby advising one of his cousins that, when a girl marries she leaves her whole family & comes to you and this should always be remembered by the husbands. This is were Bijoy Baba & Sona lost it in the slap incident. Instead of shouting at Ishwari after Dev had clarified the matters, if Bijoy & Asha had left quietly without uttering a word, that would have increased their class & position in Dev's eyes and he would have rushed out to them to ask for forgiveness, after cooling down Ishwari and thus the slap could have been avoided. My father, is one step ahead of Bijoy Baba in being protective of his kids and every time I go to stay with them I end up fighting with him for not allowing me to go to the town on my own; How much ever he is tired he will accompany me for shopping. Finally I give into his zidd. But when it comes to matters that relate to my husband and his family I strictly warn him not to poke his nose into unwanted matters, how much ever i feel he is right due to his concern. Bcos, mera pathidev Dev se kam nahin hein aisa mamle mein. He even has the history of slapping his father's brother for badmouthing his mother...😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Landed and looks around bewildered😛
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While watching Friday's episode, I suddenly got this doubt. When asha asked Sona to speak with Soha, Sona said she wants to speak with Dev first to know what he told Soha before talking to Soha. How come Sona forgot her purpose of the meet when she met Dev? Looks like, it's the after effects of playing hide and seek, truth and dare games with Dev. Sona dear, I think you also need to eat badam daily just like Dev.

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