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Posted: 8 years ago
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Sabita ji, (hope I can address you like that, I am soumya by the way)
This is one of the beautiful write ups on Dev. He has been conditioned from his childhood to be as his mother wants to gain rewards...the more I see him, understand him, I feel like he was like a lab monkey growing up... who got rewarded for the good things(in his mother's eyes)...and got a not so approval look from his mom for bad things( the things Ish didnt approve of/ like)...so he has carefully tuned himself so that he walks only on those spots which he knows his mom was ok with...But with Sona, his inner self comes out...all the hidden things that he always wanted/wished for himself...the dialogues that he spoke to Sona in their early days of courtship...makes more sense now as you have pointed out...I am so looking forward for him to confront himself...the wrongs that he and Ish have done to mess up things so badly for all three of them...

P.S. I personally know a person who is like Dev(not the obsessive kind in him) but who has been conditioned in certain way growing up, that now they no longer think about them self...all they want to do is keep others happy...I dont have any problem in that but I also believe that first we need to help ourselves to help others...it is as simple as this...be happy yourself then you can be/give happiness to others😊

Thanks again, it has been always a pleasure to read your posts😳😊
Edited by sbadam - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Thanks for the reply. I want to address the one in Bold if I may. I have 2 boys ( as most of you know) My older son is so wise beyond his years so mature but when it comes to emotions he is like a child. My younger son on the other hand is very, very strong emotionally the same upbringing but two people turn out differently I often ask myself why is that? and the only logical explanation that I could think of is I was very young when I had him, was quite emotional and reacted emotionally to his every hurt so he learnt that from me..when my younger son was growing up I grew up also and he emulated more things from his father the logical one. So just because one is one way in Business does not mean they are the same personally.


Originally posted by: gaurimisha

Excellent Post!!

I understand Dev. Thats why I do sympathise with him.

The only problem I feel he never applied his high education in his real life, it was limited to his business. He applied Ishwari's formula to his personal life and it broke everything.

He is a complex character. He appears childish in many situations. I am appalled at him, may be I expected way too much from somebody with such business acumen and high level of intelligence.

All said and done, I dont exactly hate him because I still believe he is not evil personified.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Thanks isnt it sad the power we parents possess or any parent possess it is almost scary because you are literally not only bringing forth a child into the world but also nurturing and moulding them and if we mold them based on our insecurities or in our image what do we get someone just like us ..but dont we want them to be better than us?

Originally posted by: Ashsat1

Wow great post, may I add something? I always thought of Dev as an circus elephant. As a child, he was forced to obey. Baby elephants are are tied down with many heavy things and are shown that they cannot escape, so as an adult they don't realize that they can escape if they try, because emotionally they are caught. Before leap, I thought Sona would be the one to show that he can escape. But Dev wrapped in his own misery did not listen, and in a way, a reverse psychology worked on him when Sona left. He began to question his own identity, and became a rebellious elephant, he is still emotionally trapped (as shown in yesterday's epi with him caring for his mom) but he has realized that he can escape. But will he realize his cowardliness and escape?

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Hi Soumya you can call me Sabita Ji or Sabita whatever you prefer. I love what you wrote about happiness and that is what we have to be and teach our children to be happy the way they are because that is the true self when you are happy the way you are people will love you the way you are ..but unfortunateky in this show Easwari wanted one Dev and Sona wanted a different Dev..In my opinion I would have liked Sona Dev but for that Dev has to want to recognize and bring the change neither Sona, Soha or Easwari can do that

Originally posted by: sbadam

Sabita ji, (hope I can address you like that, I am soumya by the way)

This is one of the beautiful write ups on Dev. He has been conditioned from his childhood to be as his mother wants to gain rewards...the more I see him, understand him, I feel like he was like a lab monkey growing up... who got rewarded for the good things(in his mother's eyes)...and got a not so approval look from his mom for bad things( the things Ish didnt approve of/ like)...so he has carefully tuned himself so that he walks only on those spots which he knows his mom was ok with...But with Sona, his inner self comes out...all the hidden things that he always wanted/wished for himself...the dialogues that he spoke to Sona in their early days of courtship...makes more sense now as you have pointed out...I am so looking forward for him to confront himself...the wrongs that he and Ish have done to mess up things so badly for all three of them...

P.S. I personally know a person who is like Dev(not the obsessive kind in him) but who has been conditioned in certain way growing up, that now they no longer think about them self...all they want to do is keep others happy...I dont have any problem in that but I also believe that first we need to help ourselves to help others...it is as simple as this...be happy yourself then you can be/give happiness to others😊

Thanks again, it has been always a pleasure to read your posts😳😊

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: gemini54

Thanks for the reply. I want to address the one in Bold if I may. I have 2 boys ( as most of you know) My older son is so wise beyond his years so mature but when it comes to emotions he is like a child. My younger son on the other hand is very, very strong emotionally the same upbringing but two people turn out differently I often ask myself why is that? and the only logical explanation that I could think of is I was very young when I had him, was quite emotional and reacted emotionally to his every hurt so he learnt that from me..when my younger son was growing up I grew up also and he emulated more things from his father the logical one. So just because one is one way in Business does not mean they are the same personally.



Yes, I understand that. I did not mean it that way...even I have a son who s too mature for his age.
What I meant was if someone is highly educated, highly intelligent, it is just that at some point we expect the person to depend on his own decision making skills...if not at first ,atleast slowly he can learn to differentiate between what to do and when to do. The stagnancy in his character given his intelligence baffles me. I understand why he is so but I cant understand why his senses dont let him see reason when he is clearly capable of it. That is where my disappointment lies. That is where I want him to change, to grow up with time and experience.😊
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Posted: 8 years ago
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The line in Bold that has baffled me too and continues to and for that I will contribute it to shabby writing..They could have shown him take baby steps - steps that people like us can view as introspection or progress in the right way and they failed to do this in the story..for that matter no character introspects 😆



All said and done, I dont exactly hate him because I still believe he is not evil personified.

Yes, I understand that. I did not mean it that way...even I have a son who s too mature for his age.
What I meant was if someone is highly educated, highly intelligent, it is just that at some point we expect the person to depend on his own decision making skills...if not at first ,atleast slowly he can learn to differentiate between what to do and when to do. The stagnancy in his character given his intelligence baffles me. I understand why he is so but I cant understand why his senses dont let him see reason when he is clearly capable of it. That is where my disappointment lies. That is where I want him to change, to grow up with time and experience.😊
Edited by gemini54 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Thanks I agree with everything you said except the one in bold and I will tell you why. Dev really did not want Both Sona and Easwari to work together it was Sona who wanted it..if it were upto him he would have just kept them seperate and been happy..unfortunately when you are married you have to take in BOTH families after all we atleast in the Eastern Culture believe in the extended family

Originally posted by: Jade0001

An Excellent Analysis

Dev grew up on shaky grounds he had to mature and be the man of the house always trying his best to protect his mother
Ishwari on the other hand gave him the responsibility to take the family out of poverty which indeed is a good thing , where she went wrong was not allowing him to interact with his sisters or have friends making him fragile for the future
according to Ishwari all she needed was Dev and he needed his mother this made her happy as a parent that her child is obedient and she is on the right track in growing him up .
Dev loved his mother he still does , he respects her and devoted his time to her made sure she was happy but she did not really see that her son was happy with his wife she had thought that Dev can only be happy with his mother again she was wrong

Dev has learned the crueliest lesson about his family more importantly about his mother and his wife
he had always expected both to work through their problems but come together and make him happy which certainly didn't happen


Edited by gemini54 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Wow... Awesome splendid piece of writing.You seem to save your best posts for my busiest days ;)

Finished watching the eppy at 2 am last night..and then couldn't resist the temptation to check IF just once( I know I have to enroll at the nearest KRPKAB de addiction centre;))... and what do I see ?? An awesome post by you at 2 am at night...To reply or not to reply.. that is my question :)).. My logic and tiredness get the better of me. So I half heartedly go off to sleep... and now on my way to work,I am replying to ur post on a priority basis :))..Great piece of writing

Yes,Dev is an enigma and we can all understand only parts of him.Sona is more relatable.As u hv rightly pointed out ,his desperate need for acceptance,lack of a friend and an upbringing without a father figure have had a huge impact on his personality.Ar times I love the man, at times I hate him and then at times I feel really sorry for him. It is his erratic behaviour alternating between childlike vulnerability and a manifestation of gross hatred / vengeance that bring about this feeling.On the contrary,my emotions or feelings for Sona's character hv been more consistent.

Finally I decided that Dev is a child at heart. Lovable and vulnerable, giving his all at times..but an incorrigible illogical spoilt brat screaming for attention at times.Like a spoilt kid he does the wrong things for attention,does things without thinking about its consequences and of course always looks for acceptance. and validation.

The problem is that along with these childlike qualities he has a man's ego and irrational anger.And of cpurse, he is an adult, not a kid. So qualities which are endearing in children are irritating in adults .Also he is headstrong and wont listen . So he cant be scolded and taught to differentiate right from wrong like a kid can .

Net net we have Dev the dilemma:)
Great post. Loved it

Gotta go now. Typing from my i phone.. so plz excuse any typos or mistakes.:)

Edited by rock&roll - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Wow that is some compliment thanks a lot . Yes Dev's character can be hated but somehow cannot be ignored and that is a masterstroke by the writer..if not for anything we have to give the writer that credit and the actor who plays it to the T a lot more credit..he seems to live and breathe Dev

Originally posted by: rock&roll

Wow... Awesome splendid piece of writing.You seem to save your best posts for my busiest days ;)

Finished watching the eppy at 2 am last night..and then couldn't resist the temptation to check IF just once( I know I have to enroll at the nearest KRPKAB de addiction centre;))... and what do I see ?? An awesome post by you at 2 am at night...To reply or not to reply.. that is my question :)).. My logic and tiredness get the better of me. So I half heartedly go off to sleep... and now on my way to work,I am replying to ur post on a priority basis :))..Great piece of writing

Yes,Dev is an enigma and we can all understand only parts of him.Sona is more relatable.As u hv rightly pointed out ,his desperate need for acceptance,lack of a friend and an upbringing without a father figure have had a huge impact on his personality.Ar times I love the man, at times I hate him and then at times I feel really sorry for him. It is his erratic behaviour alternating between childlike vulnerability and a manifestation of gross hatred / vengeance that bring about this feeling.On the contrary,my emotions or feelings for Sona's character hv been more consistent.

Finally I decided that Dev is a child at heart. Lovable and vulnerable, giving his all at times..but an incorrigible illogical spoilt brat screaming for attention at times.Like a spoilt kid he does the wrong things for attention,does things without thinking about its consequences and of course always looks for acceptance. and validation.


The problem is that along with these childlike qualities he has a man's ego and irrational anger.And of cpurse, he is an adult, not a kid. So qualities which are endearing in children are irritating in adults .Also he is headstrong and wont listen . So he cant be scolded and taught to differentiate right from wrong like a kid can .

Net net we have Dev the dilemma:)
Great post. Loved it

Gotta go now. Typing from my i phone.. so plz excuse any typos or mistakes.:)

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