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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Samanalyse

My biggest disappointment with the infertility track is that we never had one.🤔We had all the build up to it, with the focus on Dev's lies and his tendency to focus on the present moment, but then it never actually materialised. What I really wanted to see was Ishwari unconsciously becoming Sona's motivation through the process (we saw the beginnings of this already), with Dev as her pillar of support, and both mother and son becoming a team in this endeavour to support Sona through her treatment. Basically, Ishwari pushes Sona to fight, and Dev is there for her when it becomes too overwhelming, to take care of her and envelope her in unconditional love. It was built up to be one of the most important storylines on the show, but instead of actually showing it, they negated everything they had shown and gave Sona a baby out of thin air. At the very least, if they wanted not to be totally insensitive to the issue they introduced, Soha should have been adopted to show that Sona didn't need Dev or Ishwari to become a mother and a good one.[/DIV]

But on Indian TV shows, infertility is either punishment for abortion, or a test of sanskaar, at the end of which the virtuous woman is "rewarded" with a miracle baby. This show does many things right, but on this front they went with the regressive cliche and I do hold that against them.



My line of thought entirely, because I was sure this show is different and I was disappointed. It would be too late to wonder, what would have happened if Sonakshi had maintained her cool and stayed firmly in the Dixit mansion when Dev asked her to "get out". I felt they made a great couple till Dev broke the relationship in the hospital. She still chose Dev after he stalked her and fell down sloshed at her engagement. She was composed when Paris did not happen and gave in to his charms and her heart, when Shimla happened. Didn't she know that Dev is caught between the devil and the deep sea? (Ishwari-Sonakshi) Didn't she know that he is surrounded by another family (GKB) gunning after his wealth? Wasn't she familiar with Dev's temper! If yes to all, then why did she leave the Dixit home? To prove that she still had an ounce of self-respect? If she had stayed put and after tempers had mellowed, asked Dev,"Main ruki hoon sirf yeh janane Ke liye, ki, kya tum mujhse alag hona chahate ho? Maa ne yahi kaha tha, lekin main phirse sunana chahahi hoon?" Dev's thought process would have again started and things would have been different!! Suhana would have been born here, Ishwari would have become a better person, GKB and Vicky would have learnt their lesson etc etc.

Now, things are different because in 40 mins (2 episodes), the Creatives changed everything. The understanding and patient Sonakshi walked out and Suhana came into this world, away from the Dixits. My question is not about who is right or wrong. Too much water has flowed under the bridge. My question is about the custody battle of Suhana, if it happens. What if Sonskshi loses as there is no written law, that a father cannot be given custody of a child!!! What did Sonakshi achieve in the end? Did she win a battle just to lose the war?



-Rekha
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Posted: 8 years ago
@Rekha,
On your point about Sona's understanding, I'd say everyone snaps at some point.

" If she had stayed put and after tempers had mellowed, asked Dev,"Main ruki hoon sirf yeh janane Ke liye, ki, kya tum mujhse alag hona chahate ho? Maa ne yahi kaha tha, lekin main phirse sunana chahahi hoon?" Dev's thought process would have again started and things would have been different!! Suhana would have been born here, Ishwari would have become a better person, GKB and Vicky would have learnt their lesson etc etc.
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If we look at that day, she'd come not to reconcile but to return the money that her father was accused of' "strealing"!!! (lord save the fools who arrived at that conclusion...) why expect her to be at the best of her understanding performance. that clubbed with GKB's jibes, Ishwari's underhanded insults, Dev 's direct insults - calling her stupid, not understanding everything about market, not having the earning capacity to repay a loan. If I read her character well, she takes great pride in NOT being stupid. Shouldn't Dev understand that she is emotionally week now, shouldn't he for once understand where she is coming from? Why all expectations from her? And why ask her to get out but expect her to stay put? wouldn't that come across as being clingy? It was heights of insult. Why must any human being bear it.

Dev's thought process if it had to start would ahve started when he heard ishwari downplaying his huge blunder of slapping his FIL vis a vis investing 5 crores without informing her.

I don't think Dev would have improved. Sona if she had stayed put at that point would surpass all standards of being lowest in self -esteem!

Also Ishwari would not have improved , nor would GKB and Vicky as Sona!

I rest my case, but no woman deserves so much insult and so little love after all she put up with.


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Posted: 8 years ago
@sam, agree with you Sam. They actually made fun of infertility concept in their own way.

@rekha, great point of discussion and also agree with you till some extent. Let me share my 2 cents here. For me marriage is a life long commitment till both are loyal to each other and their relationship. Our choices or decisions in life always depends on our priorities and past experiences. I never had any issue with her choices. She decided to walk out since may be she reached her breaking point wrt her patience and tolerance. But I have problem with her undying thirst for being perfect and denial towards accepting her failure with dignity. I am no where belittling her efforts here and not justifying his mistakes. She took his love and emotions for granted and kept all her efforts in winning best bahu title from ishwari. It's her choice and he didn't force not even once towards this. But at the end she conveniently blamed him for all the wrongs when things went out of hand, I can never accept this behavior. There are so many instances where I felt if she would have done this then their relationship may be in a better state but at the end it's her life and her choice. My only complaint about her is when it's your choice then face the consequences and own the result irrespective of success or failure with dignity.
Edited by LiveLife321 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: IFfreak

I don't think Dev would have improved. Sona if she had stayed put at that point would surpass all standards of being lowest in self -esteem![/DIV]

Also Ishwari would not have improved , nor would GKB and Vicky as Sona!

I rest my case, but no woman deserves so much insult and so little love after all she put up with.




I was trying to convey that the Creatives hold all the ropes in twisting the script as per their convenience, just like the infertility track, which ended abruptly. That's the Holy Grail!! Viewers are finally left to interpret scenes and sequences as per their perceptions.



-Rekha
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Danseuse



I was trying to convey that the Creatives hold all the ropes in twisting the script as per their convenience, just like the infertility track, which ended abruptly. That's the Holy Grail!! Viewers are finally left to interpret scenes and sequences as per their perceptions.



-Rekha


oh that ways.. right😆. Now I get you.

CVs ki maya😳
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Posted: 8 years ago

I share your frustrations with regards to the infertility track or the lack of. The way this story has progressed in the last 3 months, I can see why they needed infertility as a backdrop. The makers were trying to show Dev's categorical need to be with Sonakshi and he knew (and has since accepted in a temple in front of his God, no less) that he manipulated and deceived Sonakshi and their families to be able to marry her. It was very unfair on sonakshi on many fronts. Firstly, its her body and she has every right to know first. Even before her fianc! And secondly, she should have known before the wedding so that she would know what are the challenges she is walking into. However, I can see why Dev did what he did. As others have said a million times already, seeing a character's point of view doesn't mean justifying them. What was audacious was Dev continued hiding that fact for 5 months. Which means for 5 months, sonakshi thought she could get pregnant any time now. And he went on to tell his mother they were indeed preventing pregnancy. He admitted to Sonakshi that there is constant drama in their lives. However, this one fact really needed prioritising and discussing. Just like he took the time out of his busy engagement schedule and told Natasha and Sonakshi the truth in time.

Like you ladies said, it's a total mockery of infertility issues that couples face. Trouble is, the story teller has used this fine print around 7% chances to his/her advantage. 7% meant it was low enough for anyone to be too hopeful of natural conception but still high enough for Ishwari to demand a treatment or a natural full term pregnancy (which is what has happened). Although, aside from seeking intervention, I can't see what else devakshi would have done. I don't know any infertile couple who went on to adopt or chose to remain childless without pursuing intervention (usually for a fair amount of years - read upto 10). 7% also means that, Miss Suhana bose, Made in Shimla, did make an appearance in a Single not ready to mingle Dr Bose's life. Possibly after a difficult pregnancy.

I also see the point of view of many viewers who feel Sonakshi shouldn't just have walked out the day Dev asked her to "get out". Dating him for 3+ months and being married to him for ~5months did give her that much of an indication that his anger on her has a shelf life of a day. And that is where I feel, the damage wasn't done in the last 2 episodes. I mentioned this before, I will say this again. If time permits, please watch the episodes 2 weeks before the break-up and also keep a lot of scenes since the wedding at the back of your mind. The stage was set on 2nd Jan. The way that episode unfolded said to me, kuch hone wala hai.

Sonakshi could have walked into her room when she got yelled at. She could have demanded some privacy with her husband and they could have sat down and sorted their differences. I think the issue here was, the build up had started much earlier and she was at the end of her tether. We all have our own levels of patience. Neha had less than Sonakshi and Elena probably had more... (Who knows... very curious about her side of the story). May be this would have been their last ugly fight... May be this would have been their nth pale patch-up.

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Posted: 8 years ago

@Rekha: The ideal reaction for Sona would have been not to take Dev's "get out" to mean permanently. But as we know, her pride has always been her greatest weakness and that was the last straw in a series of incidents that tested it. Even when the break-up happened, Dev called her a few hours later when he had calmed down. Things could have gone very differently if she given him a fair hearing in that phone call but she had already shut him out completely after he humiliated her in the hospital. Later, they were saved from a lot of such situations by Asha, who guided Sona to be patient and empathetic with a Dev who was still learning how to manage his relationships. Dev similarly had Mamaji, but he was a much less influential force than Asha.

And I agree with @IFfreak that it was unfair to expect Sona to keep a cool head in that situation. What I really wish was that instead of begging and pleading with Ishwari, Mamaji had taken charge of the situation. He should have physically stopped Sona from leaving and told her to wait in her room. Then he should have turned his attention to Dev, and let him break down or whatever he needed to feel better and left the sisters to watch him. Then he should have gone personally to the Boses and apologised for Ishwari and GKB's accusations. What that situation needed was one rational adult, and nobody stepped up. Of course, the CVs' chose this outcome out of all the different ways this situation could have worked out and still been in character so I see what you mean.

@Latha: I completely agree with you. In her zeal to win Ishwari over, Sona didn't totally understand that Ishwari's problem wasn't really with Sona herself, it was more with the idea of losing Dev. To some extent, it never mattered what Sona did to gain her approval, as long as she continued to discover Dev was lying to her and hiding things from her, she would see their marriage in a bad light. So it ended up being a real misallocation of patience and effort on Sona's side. I don't think she ever did understand this.

@DQ: I have no issues with them pursuing treatment; that made sense, but the question of timing wasn't addressed at all. More than the lying, this is where Dev's insensitivity reached its peak for me. Just because he was confident that Sona wanted to have baby in the abstract, he assumed she would say yes to starting treatment immediately, to fulfill Ishwari's demands. From their time in Shimla, it became clear that what Sona really wanted was some time to restore her floundering self-worth and feel good about herself. She wanted to enjoy the feeling of how much Dev loved her (knowing how unwaveringly he had chosen to be with her), and feel worthy of his love again, instead of constantly being reminded of what she might not be able to give him. Dev should have asked her about this, and Sona should have demanded some time to recover from the shock and regain mental stability before she went into a physically and psychologically grueling process.

Edited by Samanalyse - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
This immature spineless rant is annoying me now a days. Let me try to understand this word from Sona's POV, she thinks that he never took any decision regarding their relationship by his own so he is spineless. She kept pressure on him to reveal their relationship when asha asked is this our Sona? She took her patch up decision after listening to asha, she was mad at him on his birthday night and asha made her understand that's when she was able to understand his situation, she was mad at him when she got to know about her medical condition and again here asha made her understand Dev's intentions. Even after this, she is only worried about how she is feeling incomplete since she is not able to be a mother and not even once she thought about THEIR broken dreams and his loss. Most of her decisions regarding her relationship was taken under her parents influence. When she saw the situation through asha's eyes then she understood his intentions and choose their relationship because that's how asha is. When she saw the situation through Bijoy's eyes then she took her decisions by giving priority to her family's pride over her relationship with dev because that's how Bijoy's is.

The only difference between these two is the presence of a sensible parent in their life or else both are same in handling their relationship.
Edited by LiveLife321 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: LiveLife321

This immature spineless rant is annoying me now a days. Let me try to understand this word from Sona's POV, she thinks that he never took any decision regarding their relationship by his own so he is spineless. She kept pressure on him to reveal their relationship when asha asked is this our Sona? She took her patch up decision after listening to asha, she was mad at him on his birthday night and asha made her understand that's when she was able to understand his situation, she was mad at him when she got to know about her medical condition and again here asha made her understand Dev's intentions. Even after this, she is only worried about how she is feeling incomplete since she is not able to be a mother and not even once she thought about THEIR broken dreams and his loss. Most of her decisions regarding her relationship was taken under her parents influence. When she saw the situation through asha's eyes then she understood his intentions and choose their relationship because that's how asha is. When she saw the situation through Bijoy's eyes then she took her decisions by giving priority to her family's pride over her relationship with dev because that's how Bijoy's is.



Creatives are visiting this forum for sure. 😉 Dev's behaviour is like a ticking bomb waiting to explode. I hope Sonakshi retains her cool composure and focuses on her work. Dev will continue to play mischief. He has a task on hand. 😃


-Rekha
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Posted: 8 years ago
thank u for new thread

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