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Posted: 8 years ago
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Thank you. I have found Mamaji to be somewhat like Narad. He plays both ends. But never follows through on his own advice. Instead of running after 66 years old, Ishwari he should pay attention to 6 years old Golu. But instead he advises Ishwari to "get her son back". Get him back from where? Is he rude to her? Is he misbehaving with her? In fact he apparently never even lies to her. Then why Ishwari needs to have Dev back? May be because they are worried for the source of money drying up since both family relies on that source thinking straight and under their control.

You know the dialogue Mamaji spoke to Ishwari, usually people say that to women whose husband left her for another woman.

Originally posted by: .IamShonali.

Amazing post as usual Tia. Couldn't have said it better.
You know what the most funny thing I found was mamaji was more worried about Dev and Ish bond then his own grandkid who is being neglected like crazy. Agree that even he tells anything to Vicky, GKB or Elena, they won't listen. But atleast he should have done something. He can spend time with the kid. But no, he wants Ish and Dev to spend more time together and be the same as they were before.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Thanks Tia for your post. Its excellent. Hats off to Sonakshi for imbibing such good qualities to Soha. I hope one day when Dev and other Dixits get to see intelligent, mature, strong and sensible Soha, it would be slap on their face whom questioned Sonakshi's womenhood and mothering skills. I just hope Sona remains the way she and does not end up in these silly ego and childish fights with Dev.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Tinkerfairy

If Cv will show dev trying to flirt with teachers in front of her daughter.talk about "FIRST IMPRESSION "😆

Wow that would be something to watch for.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Omg am I the only one who is finding it extremely difficult to digest to see people at the first go jumping at the bullied parties to find THEIR faults, writing essays on why THEY are wrong but spares 2 lines on the ACTUAL bullies ? My tolerance level has increased a lot apparently because I am amazed but not shocked to death !
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: malikakas


If you look at any literature on bullying, the suggestion is to always avoid getting physical. Stand up to a bully but never retaliate with violence. What that does is create a greater atmosphere for violence and there is risk of serious injury to both parties.

You are absolutely right. So what is your opinion of Dev and how he handles the people who don't do what he says? And knowing that he pays back people in the form of job loss (Sona, Ranveer), verbal abuse (Sona, Ranveer), physical threat (Ranveer) and manhandling (Ranveer, Shruti) would you say he should be giving any advice to any child?

Firstly, I don't think we can really compare Dev and Golu vs Sona and Soha. Dev is not Golu's primary caregiver and nor is he expected to be.

Oh but he is. You see, no one pays him any attention except Dev. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who Golu will try to follow and impress. Whereas Soha doesn't feel the need to do exactly what her mother says because Sonakshi asks her to take her own decisions, that's not the case for Golu.

Dev's advice to Golu was very general to stand up for himself against a bossy girl. He's just giving a bit of confidence and love to a love starved child. Dev never said to hit someone if someone is bothering him.

Hold on a second. You don't have to stand up against a bossy girl because bossy and bully are not the same thing.

Bossy - someone who gives orders

Bully - Someone who uses threat, force, coercion, abuse to intimidate and aggressively dominate.

Some MCP call confident women bossy, yet the same trait is labeled confidence in men.

Someone is bossy? Don't listen to him. Someone is bully? Whole different ball game.

So a lesson has to be taught to bullies, not bossy women specifically if she is a six years old girl.



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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: malikakas


But the context of the conversation matters.

Radha telling Vicky is clearly with an intent of harming Elena in the long run.

Of course context matters. But don't take the half context, take full.

Radha gave that advice to Vicky who is fully capable of forming his own opinion and responsible for his actions as an adult.

Dev gave the advice to a little boy, starving for affection from his parents who only gets attention from him and tries to impress him.

Which one of these do you think will cause more harm in the long run?

Golu started a conversation with Dev about a bossy girl. As far as Dev knows Golu may be the one being bullied. So he's telling her to stand up against a bossy girl.

Again, you are mixing up bossy and bully. All bullies might be bossy, but not all bossy people are bullies.

And if Dev was not sure if Golu was being bullied, he should have asked more questions before telling him to teach her a lesson and attach that to the idea of pseudo machismo that if he does not teach the girl a lesson, manhood will loose their prestige.

What Dev said was proactive. As in go to school, teach the girl a lesson or the entire manhood will be shamed by you.

What Sonakshi said was reactive. As in if a boy bullies you, give him a push.

So if pushing is violence then Sonakshi gave Soha to follow her father's footsteps. Didn't Dev push Sonakshi? Twice? Once when he was not even threatened physically?

I also believe like Sabita and you that violence is not the answer.

But if someone is threatening you physically, pushing them away is not unnecessary violence. And that's exactly what Sonakshi taught Soha because she knows that Soha won't unnecessarily use physical force if she is not threatened physically considering her empathy for a total stranger and logical and fair way of making decisions.

She didn't tell Soha that if she doesn't do what she has been taught, she will be shaming her family and the entire womanhood.

But Dev tied his advice to macho pride to an impressionable little boy.

The result? When his friends taunted that he won't do anything, he recalled his idol, Bigcha's advice and stole Soha's lunch box.

He is six years old. So teaching a lesson means making a little girl go without food all day which is bad enough.

If he was a teenager, the way of teaching lesson to "bossy" girls might not be that innocent.

So no, what Dev taught Golu can't be justified by any means.

And just to make it clear, if Sonakshi finds out that the boy in question is Elena's son, her advice to give a push if he bullies Soha would still be valid. However, she might go and talk to Elena about telling her son not to bully her daughter.

But will Dev tell Golu to teach Soha a lesson for being bossy or else "boys ka naak kat jayega" if he finds out Soha is his daughter? Or suddenly bossy will start looking synonym for confidence to him?

But then what else can I expect from a man like Dev who has double standard for everything.


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Posted: 8 years ago
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Thank you. Suvika wrote an excellent os today. That I'd like to see on TV. And yes, Dixits will see with their own eyes what an excellent upbringing Sonakshi has given Soha.

Originally posted by: fandw

Thanks Tia for your post. Its excellent. Hats off to Sonakshi for imbibing such good qualities to Soha. I hope one day when Dev and other Dixits get to see intelligent, mature, strong and sensible Soha, it would be slap on their face whom questioned Sonakshi's womenhood and mothering skills. I just hope Sona remains the way she and does not end up in these silly ego and childish fights with Dev.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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I am amazed as well, trust me. They are always ready to pick apart a woman but continue to justify everything a man says or does. If they can't justify it, they try to look for intentions. If intention is selfish, they claim they are sad or hurt or angry or heartbroken or misunderstood or any mix of above. 👏

Originally posted by: Pehchaan.Kaun

Omg am I the only one who is finding it extremely difficult to digest to see people at the first go jumping at the bullied parties to find THEIR faults, writing essays on why THEY are wrong but spares 2 lines on the ACTUAL bullies ? My tolerance level has increased a lot apparently because I am amazed but not shocked to death !

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Nope this is let us burn Joan of Arc all over again...if a country as progressive at least what I thought can vote for the wrong person just because he is not a woman anything can happen.


Originally posted by: Pehchaan.Kaun

Omg am I the only one who is finding it extremely difficult to digest to see people at the first go jumping at the bullied parties to find THEIR faults, writing essays on why THEY are wrong but spares 2 lines on the ACTUAL bullies ? My tolerance level has increased a lot apparently because I am amazed but not shocked to death !

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Posted: 8 years ago
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You are absolutely right, Sabita. Trust you to come up with the best analogy. 👏

Originally posted by: gemini54

Nope this is let us burn Joan of Arc all over again...if a country as progressive at least what I thought can vote for the wrong person just because he is not a woman anything can happen.


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