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Posted: 8 years ago
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Awesome Title and Awesome Post 👍🏼

Your suggestion that Neha should come to her Maiyka for shorter periods enjoy the luxury, once done and then get back to Ranveer - so on and so forth, thats sounds cool to me. But I know that aint happening in the show, the makers will not show it.


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Posted: 8 years ago
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Thank you all so much for such interesting responses! Since we are all discussing a similar set of issues, I thought I would do one big reply with my perspective on the Dixits, that addresses many of these issues. You can also consider this my ongoing analysis. 😊

A lot of you pointed out that it's not just Dev who has this listening problem, but Ishwari and Neha as well. I agree, they can be very self-absorbed and tend to wilfully see things one way, but I think there is a reason for that. Please don't roll your eyes when I say it has to do with their past because it's true, and it's no laughing matter. They weren't just poor, they were destitute, and found very little kindness in the world at this time. Starting with losing their father/husband, and their home, they faced humiliating rejection and alienation constantly for years. Even the one oasis of kindness, Mamaji was inextricably linked to GKB, who made sure to remind them they were a burden any time she could. Poverty for Ishwari, Neha and Dev, therefore, is closely linked with a feeling of deep shame.

That creates a special kind of anger and determination in a person, never again to be in a position where they are helpless or dependent on someone else. It's an attitude that proves effective as long as everyone is totally absorbed in the goal; even if you feel bad or sustain trauma, you are so caught up in making ends meet from one day to the next, that you don't have time to sit and reflect on how you are feeling. But what happens after the goal is met? You have achieved that single thing you wanted to, and you are no longer living hand to mouth, but now you have time to think about all of the things you sacrificed in achieving it... in the silence, all of the trauma, the things you never had time to think about, start coming back to haunt you. I think that is why Ishwari and Dev are both such workaholics, and why Neha is so lost and bitter (she doesn't have a distraction to throw herself into, now that all the heavy lifting is done).

The other major side-effect of this aversion to dependence is a lack of trust. The Dixits survived their hardest times and came out with integrity (as they perceive it) because they were tight-lipped and didn't allow anyone to see their vulnerability -- Ishwari even hesitated to take money from Mamaji for Rhea's operation. After being so fiercely isolated for so long, they find it very difficult to sustain normal, social behaviour, and let new people into their lives, but feel drawn/obligated to do so. It's that inability to face and resoluve their trauma on the one hand, and the determination to seem "normal"/"successful" in society on the other, that sets them up for failure in relationships. That's why they aren't able to communicate their deepest issues with their partners, though there is no lack of love. It's that deep-seated fear of trusting someone, only for them to humiliate and reject you. Once that fear is there, it doesn't just go away by piling notes in the bank.

Neha loves Ranveer, and she trusted him, and because that is such a sensitive thing for her, the moment he deviated from the planned path, she panicked. Moreover, I think the way she was treated by both sides of the family during Dev and Sona's wedding was horrible. On the one hand, she had GKB/DB saying she would embarrass her family if she didn't give an expensive set, forcing her to take the one from Ishwari, who was conspicuously silent on the matter (where was her support for Neha's courageous decision and Ranveer's self-respect when it actually mattered?). And on the other side, she had oblivious Ranveer sulking around every corner, asking her to keep accounts during her brother's wedding. The demands that came from every side without a shred of empathy is what probably did her in!

Judging by her panipuri flashback yesterday, I think what Neha wants most is to be lifted out of a purely mundane existence. Ishwari and Dev hog all the romance of their rags-to-riches story, and Neha is always left with the boring (but necessary) details. She probably loves shopping and material things because retail therapy does give you that temporary high. When she fell in love with Ranveer, though, she thought she had finally found her fair share of romance, and that is what Sona reminded her of yesterday. Unfortunately, her relationship with Ranveer did not yeild that upliftment for long; their conversations became all about money and budgets, and she spent her days doing household chores. What she wants most, are some fairytale moments, but she's too proud to ask for them or initiate them herself (as Sona did). She's embarassed at her own whimsy, and it's much easier to put the blame on Ranveer's poor financial situation and wear her cynicism like a comfort blanket and a shield.

Thanks to their past, the Dixits all have special needs from their relationships. When I say that, I don't mean they get concessions that others don't, only that they need to be handled differently. Sona, because Dev is a little more vulnerable than Neha allows herself to be and she is so perceptive herself, is starting to decode these special needs. Hopefully she will be able to open up a productive line of communication between Neha and Ranveer before it's too late, and without putting her own relationship in jeopardy.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Sam thank you again. Even if I don't agree with using the kids glove treatment for Dixits, I understood what you and the CV's were trying to say. Please if you have time try to put forward you views on the episodes any time if you can. Even if what you perceive is totally different from the majority it give a beautiful insight and different perspective into the characters.😃
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Posted: 8 years ago
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True that...

I wonder when will Sona heal this family enough for them to do fun activities.. Like she did with the video games.. I often imagine them having a chat party, barbecue, movie night, beach holiday as a family... the only time I saw them do something fun (that didnt directly involve Sona) was dumb charades... the healing has to happen first. This guilt of the past has to be dealt with. I wonder if Ranvir will be part of the solution.. by showing to Dev that power cant get him all he wants and showing to ishwari that Neha's happiness needs to come from a validation of neha's efforts in the past and not just ranvir


Originally posted by: Samanalyse

Thank you all so much for such interesting responses! Since we are all discussing a similar set of issues, I thought I would do one big reply with my perspective on the Dixits, that addresses many of these issues. You can also consider this my ongoing analysis. 😊

A lot of you pointed out that it's not just Dev who has this listening problem, but Ishwari and Neha as well. I agree, they can be very self-absorbed and tend to wilfully see things one way, but I think there is a reason for that. Please don't roll your eyes when I say it has to do with their past because it's true, and it's no laughing matter. They weren't just poor, they were destitute, and found very little kindness in the world at this time. Starting with losing their father/husband, and their home, they faced humiliating rejection and alienation constantly for years. Even the one oasis of kindness, Mamaji was inextricably linked to GKB, who made sure to remind them they were a burden any time she could. Poverty for Ishwari, Neha and Dev, therefore, is closely linked with a feeling of deep shame.

That creates a special kind of anger and determination in a person, never again to be in a position where they are helpless or dependent on someone else. It's an attitude that proves effective as long as everyone is totally absorbed in the goal; even if you feel bad or sustain trauma, you are so caught up in making ends meet from one day to the next, that you don't have time to sit and reflect on how you are feeling. But what happens after the goal is met? You have achieved that single thing you wanted to, and you are no longer living hand to mouth, but now you have time to think about all of the things you sacrificed in achieving it... in the silence, all of the trauma, the things you never had time to think about, start coming back to haunt you. I think that is why Ishwari and Dev are both such workaholics, and why Neha is so lost and bitter (she doesn't have a distraction to throw herself into, now that all the heavy lifting is done).

The other major side-effect of this aversion to dependence is a lack of trust. The Dixits survived their hardest times and came out with integrity (as they perceive it) because they were tight-lipped and didn't allow anyone to see their vulnerability -- Ishwari even hesitated to take money from Mamaji for Rhea's operation. After being so fiercely isolated for so long, they find it very difficult to sustain normal, social behaviour, and let new people into their lives, but feel drawn/obligated to do so. It's that inability to face and resoluve their trauma on the one hand, and the determination to seem "normal"/"successful" in society on the other, that sets them up for failure in relationships. That's why they aren't able to communicate their deepest issues with their partners, though there is no lack of love. It's that deep-seated fear of trusting someone, only for them to humiliate and reject you. Once that fear is there, it doesn't just go away by piling notes in the bank.

Neha loves Ranveer, and she trusted him, and because that is such a sensitive thing for her, the moment he deviated from the planned path, she panicked. Moreover, I think the way she was treated by both sides of the family during Dev and Sona's wedding was horrible. On the one hand, she had GKB/DB saying she would embarrass her family if she didn't give an expensive set, forcing her to take the one from Ishwari, who was conspicuously silent on the matter (where was her support for Neha's courageous decision and Ranveer's self-respect when it actually mattered?). And on the other side, she had oblivious Ranveer sulking around every corner, asking her to keep accounts during her brother's wedding. The demands that came from every side without a shred of empathy is what probably did her in!

Judging by her panipuri flashback yesterday, I think what Neha wants most is to be lifted out of a purely mundane existence. Ishwari and Dev hog all the romance of their rags-to-riches story, and Neha is always left with the boring (but necessary) details. She probably loves shopping and material things because retail therapy does give you that temporary high. When she fell in love with Ranveer, though, she thought she had finally found her fair share of romance, and that is what Sona reminded her of yesterday. Unfortunately, her relationship with Ranveer did not yeild that upliftment for long; their conversations became all about money and budgets, and she spent her days doing household chores. What she wants most, are some fairytale moments, but she's too proud to ask for them or initiate them herself (as Sona did). She's embarassed at her own whimsy, and it's much easier to put the blame on Ranveer's poor financial situation and wear her cynicism like a comfort blanket and a shield.

Thanks to their past, the Dixits all have special needs from their relationships. When I say that, I don't mean they get concessions that others don't, only that they need to be handled differently. Sona, because Dev is a little more vulnerable than Neha allows herself to be and she is so perceptive herself, is starting to decode these special needs. Hopefully she will be able to open up a productive line of communication between Neha and Ranveer before it's too late, and without putting her own relationship in jeopardy.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Sam,
I always wonder what you are made up of..(kiss mitti ki bani ho). to bring such a fresh perspective such a thought provoking reaction and such a beautiful understanding of not only the characters but also what the writers intended to build on...


Amazing!! Simply Amazing!! no wonder I look forward to reading your posts.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Sam, that was such a beautiful and a thought provoking analysis of the characters... Both Dev and Neha are difficult people to be in a relationship because of their past..
Our past experiences shape and mould us into who we are today and the same can be said for both of them...

While I never will be able to understand the break up between Dev and Sona... But, I feel that without the separation, the understanding that we are seeing being developed between Dev and Sona would not have been possible...

Sonakshi was able to understand the complexities in Dev's life in a much better way after their break up... And, this process has continued, even after their marriage...

Being a wife, she has the luxury of understanding the deeper wounds which continues to haunt her husband and by extension, her new family..

Today, when she spoke about 'orientation' regarding her new family's way of dealing with problems shows that she is smart woman who continuously adapts and evolves herself for her happiness and sanity...

Dev is indeed a very lucky man who was able to find a gem of a person in his life partner...

Sonakshi might have fallen in love with the Dev who loves to create mischief, crack jokes, laugh openly, gets angry but also apologizes, when he realises his mistakes...

But, she also accept the Dev Dixit, for whom his responsibilities and duties comes first, who is so tied up with his past, that he can't se e his present or future... Who doesn't care about right or wrong, only the result...

And, each day, Sonakshi tries to create a balance between these two Dev's... She becomes his guide when he needs her advice.. His confidante or friend who will never judge him for his actions and with whom he can be free and just be 'Dev'.. His rock who will never let him fall...

She is his not only his wife, but also his pride and happiness... With each episode, we are seeing their love and respect for each other is increasing...

Someone has said it rightly, love is not ecstasy which gives us unimaginable high but lasts only for a moment, but it's like a wine which continues to become more sweeter, with each passing day..

And, true love is only possible if and only if, it has respect and trust as its foundation...

And, I am sure that we are a witness to a beautiful relationship between two souls, who knows the meaning of true love.. The beginning might not have been the ideal but their end will be magnificent, and their journey mesmerizing and enchanting...

Till next time,
Harryfan011.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@Harryfan011

What a lovely post dear 👏

Loved what you wrote on Sona being the rock who will not let Dev fall n her trying to balance the different aspects of Dev. 👏

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