Dev Has Appalling Listening Comprehension (Updated on Pg 2)

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Posted: 8 years ago
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The title pretty much says it all! 😆

If yesterday was a listening comprehension test for Dev, he failed spectacularly! The difference between what Ranveer said and how Dev reproduced it to Sona could not have been more apparent. Sona's expression, like 😕 when he reported Ranveer's apparently enormous ego and unwillingness to compromise was spot on!

Why would it make sense to her? The last thing she knows, Ranveer was the one trying to initiate communication and reconciliation with Neha, and Neha was the one who sent the divorce papers, seeing that as her only option. How did Ranveer suddenly become the one who is insisting on divorce? How can Sona stay out knowing what a mess Dev and Ishwari are making? She is an incredibly compassionate person and while Dev and Ishwari have trained themselves for years to block Neha's voice out and put words in her mouth, Sona does not possess that particular "skill" quite yet ( though the duo is trying their best to give her crash course) and, god forbid, sees Neha as an adult human being with feelings. 🤔

Why can't Dev ever talk to his sister and listen to what she actually wants? He has always paraded this flat as the big solution to all of Ranveer and Neha's problems, but not once has Neha actually wanted what he is forcing down Ranveer's throat. When she first got married, she was actually fine in Ranveer's house and made this crystal clear to Dev. With help from his family, Ranveer also came around to the idea of their own flat... and Neha loved the one they saw, even though it was probably in line with Ranveer's income rather than Dev's. The trigger for her panic and abandonment issues (which was really just poor timing) was when Ranveer chose his mother's operation over their flat, and the fact that it had to be either/or. This triggered 1. fear of poverty and 2. fear of neglect, two deep-seated issues that haunt Neha and cause her to turn desperate. Even then, the extent of her demand was for Ranveer to take a loan from Dev, not to accept a gift.

Unfortunately, these two men have her stuck between a rock and a hard place. I don't see Neha as self-pitying by nature; in fact, she is fighting tooth and nail to cement some peace and happiness in her life, but she isn't getting the support she needs. She's not getting enough financial support in her sasural (like at Dev and Sona's wedding) but is resented when she takes it from her maika, and she's not getting emotional support at home (she was told at the wedding that she would disgrace her family if she didn't give Sona an expensive gift... what nonsense is that?), and the emotional support she does get at her sasural is just not enough to counterbalance that shame. Unlike Sona who has a strong and unwavering support system in her parental home, a place to go to recharge, Neha is carrying the burden of this balance entirely on her own, and she is just downright exhausted, wondering how she managed to get herself into a position like this AGAIN?!

If she had asked me at the time, I would have told Neha to put off marriage for some time until she found comfort in her own skin. If Ranveer really loved her, he would have waited and they could have enjoyed a different relationship while he became a little more financially comfortable, and she enjoyed the material comforts of her natal home. Ranveer could have then bought/rented a bigger house for his whole family, which would have been a win-win for everybody. But Neha didn't have anyone to give her this advice... she had Ishwari and Dev, who were more than happy to give Neha "her happiness" in the form of Ranveer and take the next train to a guilt-free future, and GKB, who spoke about the man Neha loved like he was dirt under their feet. But as Ranveer so aptly put it, he was never just "Neha's happiness" but also a living, breathing human with feelings and responsibilities. In the entire situation, only Sona seems to fathom this most impossible concept. Now, since what is done is done, I think it would be healthy for Neha to come home more often for shorter periods, and enjoy the luxury there whenever she needs to, without Ranveer making his sulky faces, and without having to justify it to either side of her family.

In Dadibua's case, I was totally on board with Ishwari's advice for Sona to stay the heck away by any means possible. DB was just a visitor for whom it wasn't worth stirring up tons of drama, but Neha? Neha is a part of their immediate family, someone whose happiness or lack thereof has adverse effects on theirs. Plus, it must hit Sona hard, being in a similar position to Neha now, and Ranveer during the break up. So I am all for her jumping into this problem because someone has to. Even as early as the wedding, Sona tried to give Neha that emotional support from her side, saying she wanted an ice-cream party rather than the lifaafa, but "society" was there to throw a wrench in that. Let her try again, when there is less scrutiny, because dammit, Neha really needs a friend.

PS: I totally started this post with the intention of praising Ranveer's dialogues yesterday, but Neha always creeps in with her point of view. What can I say? I just love her too much, guys. 😳 But seriously, that confrontation between the two men, when they were all up in each other's faces, was damn exciting, and it's great to see Ranveer treating Dev like an equal now. Good for him! 👏
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Posted: 8 years ago
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The characters of Dixit family are totally self focused .. We thought it was only Ishwari who is obsessed but slowly it seems almost everyone.. (Leave Mama) rest of them are totally closed to any outsider for any kind of acceptance.
Even Dev refuses to see ay other angle when it comes to his family.. He may not act against his family member but it is important that he understands their fault and then supports them..

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Excellent post

I agree that Neha was deprived of education the basic neccessity to any human and yes she was also deprived of her mother's love but that does not mean if Neha now demands anything Ishwari just allows it
Neha was ready for her first proposal only reason it broke was because Ishwari did not want Dev marrying the boy's sister then Neha fell in love and wanted to marry GKB at that time told her she is a princess now she will not be able to handle poverty again but Neha was adamant that love will suffice and her marriage will work .
its true if there is love the bonds of marriage become stronger but without respect and understanding , communication , trust that very love gets pushed aside the marriage becomes weaker .
Neha is not listening to Ranveer at all she hear his words but comprehend something else .
while Ishwari now wants to let her daughter know she is in her corner whether wrong or right she supports her this is not what Neha needs
Ishwari as a mother was suppose sit her daughter down give her advise about marriage tell her to even try and make herself independant it will help a lot but walking away from a marriage its wrong .
Dev his only solution to most problems is money give as much and the problem will go away , Neha suffered in childhood so now lets blame Ranveer
I'm really hoping to see Sonakshi the one that actually sorts out Neha's and Ranveer's problem because there is no one else that is capable enough like she is
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Right your title says it all. But i must add its not only Dev but also ishwari nd neha who are equally bad in that matter. I would say the dixit family is emotionally crippled in their search of finding materialistic comforts.
They have channelised their focus only in the betterment of their lifestyle but totally ignored the emotional bonding nd security a family provides to one another.. they dwell under one roof but are as scattered as poles. Thats why dev needs the emotionally strong sona for himself to even breathe.

The family talks but they dont communicate. They talk nd they construct a meaning which suits them in their own twisted way. Its really funny that the two sane people in the group sona nd ranveer are repeatedly told tht thy dont understand this family when its quiet the opposite. The dixit family needs these two souls to breathe life and bring light in their lives

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Samanalyse

The title pretty much says it all! 😆

If yesterday was a listening comprehension test for Dev, he failed spectacularly! The difference between what Ranveer said and how Dev reproduced it to Sona could not have been more apparent. Sona's expression, like 😕 when he reported Ranveer's apparently enormous ego and unwillingness to compromise was spot on!

Exactly. The Dev that went to see Ranvir was the same Dev who went to offer Dr Bose a 5 star package for his mother's care. Nothing has changed. He was able to arm twist Dr Bose into letting him shove that offer down her throat because A it was only a 3 month stint and B Sona got talked into accepting the job( by Dada) for Mr Dixit's mother.

Dev seems to have gotten to the place he is at by hook or by crook (and part of me often wonders if this will ever tie back into what was it that neha-dev-ishwari had to go through with Khatri. Afterall Dev himself confessed (accident scene) that the boy became a man when he saw the things that happen on streets). Dev has usually thrown money at problems and as we all know, many of them do go away with money.

I dont think Dev still realises that while he was able to hire Dr Bose by out-buying her from the market, she didnt care for his money. If he would recall, she used to buy vegetables etc from her own money for Mr Dixit's mother.

I know Dev realises his wife doesnt care for money. But I dont know how much he realised the same about Dr Bose. And this is where he got it all wrong about Ranvir too.


Why would it make sense to her? The last thing she knows, Ranveer was the one trying to initiate communication and reconciliation with Neha, and Neha was the one who sent the divorce papers, seeing that as her only option. How did Ranveer suddenly become the one who is insisting on divorce? How can Sona stay out knowing what a mess Dev and Ishwari are making? She is an incredibly compassionate person and while Dev and Ishwari have trained themselves for years to block Neha's voice out and put words in her mouth, Sona does not possess that particular "skill" quite yet ( though the duo is trying their best to give her crash course) and, god forbid, sees Neha as an adult human being with feelings. 🤔

Sona, like you said was, rightly confused. The Ranvir she brought home from the market was a reasonable gentleman who wouldn't ask for a divorce when convinced and supported by the family. The Ranvir Dev described to Sona was a man who would react that way to threats and forceful persuasion. Sona doesnt even know Dev threatened Ranvir in that office.

Dev's choice of words in that office was so so wrong. Even Ishwari wouldn't approve of that (when she is in her sense i.e.) . He either doesnt have to go and try to patch up between HIS sister and her husband or if goes, he needs to be humble and compassionate. Kalkothri and drama were harsh-cruel words. If I am honest, it seemed very out of character for Dev. He is brash with actions but I cant recall him being so rude with words.

Someone also posted about his behaviour towards Tina being questionable from an HR point of view... he behaved just the same after the HM cancellation.. Tina is almost a Sona for him in the office... His balm for when he has these outbursts (Congratulations on your superb acting Shaheer). Not done in a professional env.

Why can't Dev ever talk to his sister and listen to what she actually wants? He has always paraded this flat as the big solution to all of Ranveer and Neha's problems, but not once has Neha actually wanted what he is forcing down Ranveer's throat. When she first got married, she was actually fine in Ranveer's house and made this crystal clear to Dev. With help from his family, Ranveer also came around to the idea of their own flat... and Neha loved the one they saw, even though it was probably in line with Ranveer's income rather than Dev's. The trigger for her panic and abandonment issues (which was really just poor timing) was when Ranveer chose his mother's operation over their flat, and the fact that it had to be either/or. This triggered 1. fear of poverty and 2. fear of neglect, two deep-seated issues that haunt Neha and cause her to turn desperate. Even then, the extent of her demand was for Ranveer to take a loan from Dev, not to accept a gift.

Unfortunately, these two men have her stuck between a rock and a hard place. I don't see Neha as self-pitying by nature; in fact, she is fighting tooth and nail to cement some peace and happiness in her life, but she isn't getting the support she needs. She's not getting enough financial support in her sasural (like at Dev and Sona's wedding) but is resented when she takes it from her maika, and she's not getting emotional support at home (she was told at the wedding that she would disgrace her family if she didn't give Sona an expensive gift... what nonsense is that?), and the emotional support she does get at her sasural is just not enough to counterbalance that shame. Unlike Sona who has a strong and unwavering support system in her parental home, a place to go to recharge, Neha is carrying the burden of this balance entirely on her own, and she is just downright exhausted, wondering how she managed to get herself into a position like this AGAIN?!

Dev and Ishwari seem to have given up now. They are distressed by the flood gates that Neha has opened. And they both know, Sona will take the bull by the horn. She will deal with that flood of emotions and if that means Ishwari and Dev need to get off of that mahanta pedestal, sona will make that happen. Actually, I doubt the pair of them even acknowledge Neha's emotions to that depth. Dev has always taken things on face value.. He does as told... Ishwari thinks this bleeding wound is controlled by band-aids over band-aids and wont let Sona do an open heart surgery for fear of the system going into shock. Perhaps their own survival mechanism which has worked all these years... Money and comforts were a novelty and what neha didnt have as a kid, she demanded as a woman. However, neha herself said it the other day... (Thankyou Neha for coming back.. that mannerless neha was bothering me) - She isnt a kid now... Ishwari knows giving neha what she wants(validation) is like swallowing a bitter pill.. and Ishwari & Dev very well know sona doesnt do quick fixes.. She didnt let Mr Dixit's mother take vitamin supplements in exchange for healthy nutritious food

If she had asked me at the time, I would have told Neha to put off marriage for some time until she found comfort in her own skin. If Ranveer really loved her, he would have waited and they could have enjoyed a different relationship while he became a little more financially comfortable, and she enjoyed the material comforts of her natal home. Ranveer could have then bought/rented a bigger house for his whole family, which would have been a win-win for everybody. But Neha didn't have anyone to give her this advice... she had Ishwari and Dev, who were more than happy to give Neha "her happiness" in the form of Ranveer and take the next train to a guilt-free future, and GKB, who spoke about the man Neha loved like he was dirt under their feet. But as Ranveer so aptly put it, he was never just "Neha's happiness" but also a living, breathing human with feelings and responsibilities. In the entire situation, only Sona seems to fathom this most impossible concept. Now, since what is done is done, I think it would be healthy for Neha to come home more often for shorter periods, and enjoy the luxury there whenever she needs to, without Ranveer making his sulky faces, and without having to justify it to either side of her family.

In Dadibua's case, I was totally on board with Ishwari's advice for Sona to stay the heck away by any means possible. DB was just a visitor for whom it wasn't worth stirring up tons of drama, but Neha? Neha is a part of their immediate family, someone whose happiness or lack thereof has adverse effects on theirs. Plus, it must hit Sona hard, being in a similar position to Neha now, and Ranveer during the break up. So I am all for her jumping into this problem because someone has to. Even as early as the wedding, Sona tried to give Neha that emotional support from her side, saying she wanted an ice-cream party rather than the lifaafa, but "society" was there to throw a wrench in that. Let her try again, when there is less scrutiny, because dammit, Neha really needs a friend.

Well, both Neha and Sona rushed into this Love Marriage. I dont think either weddings would have taken place if they didnt happen in a chat-mangni-pat-bhyah style because there are so many cracks (and which marriage doesnt have them) that the people involved would have backed off at some point.

Sona, is just so happy being the giver. I mean, I am now beginning to think Dev will not change. when he confessed his love for her he told her he wanted to be a better person. I dont know if he is any better yet. One, two, five, ten, twenty years down the line he will be... But not yet. Opening free children's wards makes for good charity but Dev's flaws(which draw from being his defence mechanisms against all the storms the 3 (Neha, ishwari and Dev) have weathered) remain the same. That brazen Dev is always in backdrop. The combination of Sona's giving nature and Dev's romance just cements them.

Speaking of listening comprehension. not only did Dev not listen to Ranvir (and process the information correctly), he is also not listening to his wife now. She is screaming out loud and showing him how he can use his own happy-married life as an example for Neha. Sona had the courage to bring up their 'toote dil' in the conversation. Just because the only one-size-fits-all solution doesnt work with RV, Dev is giving up on the alliance altogether. While Sona, who has always been such a strong believer of love, keeps saying the same thing to Dev and Ishwari that love is enough.. Its enough to tide two people through the challenges of life

The ice cream party - I know.. It never happened... I wonder when will Sona heal this family enough for them to do fun activities.. Like she did with the video games.. I often imagine them having a chat party, barbecue, movie night, beach holiday as a family... the only time I saw them do something fun (that didnt directly involve Sona) was dumb charades... the healing has to happen first. This guilt of the past has to be dealt with. I wonder if Ranvir will be part of the solution.. by showing to Dev that power cant get him all he wants and showing to ishwari that Neha's happiness needs to come from a validation of neha's efforts in the past and not just ranvir

PS: I totally started this post with the intention of praising Ranveer's dialogues yesterday, but Neha always creeps in with her point of view. What can I say? I just love her too much, guys. 😳 But seriously, that confrontation between the two men, when they were all up in each other's faces, was damn exciting, and it's great to see Ranveer treating Dev like an equal now. Good for him! 👏

I know.. I know... I loved Ranvir's dialogues too. Sona and Ranvir are able to pinpoint the problem in Neha-Ranvir relationship from 2 different angles. Ranvir accepted that job offer for Neha's happiness.. now Neha wants to move out of that house... next she will want the appliances.. then the foreign holiday... the list is endless and Ranvir pointed this to Dev..

Did Dev think he was dealing with another Khartri here? Who is he fooling? Like Ranvir reminded Dev, Ranvir and Neha were married and in this together. Or at a subconscious level he still thinks every man out there who doesnt sing and dance to his womenfolk songs is devil?

PS: The part of the episode that has lingered with me is the fact that no one other than Elena has noticed that Sona is in a pensive mood.. Ishwari and Dev arent thinking to themselves that less than 24 hours ago this person wanted to spend more time at home and now she is suddenly wanting to go back to work in a jiffy. Sona although is believed to be bad at lying, she is very good at hiding her emotions and she probably thinks that Neha-RV topic is more pressing than telling Dev about her own family's financial (and more importantly dada's safety) issues. Sona also is potentially doing the right think by not telling Dev just yet because Dev as always will throw money at the problem and make matters worse by aggravating Bijoy. Although, logically speaking dada could use some Venture capital in his lingerie business which was doing well before his partner took off with all the money.

Edited by thedramaqueen - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Nice post as always 😃Dev as a character always intrigues me he is more complicated than Ishwari 😆.He is really lucky that Sona loves him.Yesterday he was plain arrogant and egoistic that he was not getting what he wanted.His actions had more of a guilt factor I think he somewhere blames himself for Neha's misery and therefore jumps at every opportunity to buy happiness for neha so that somehow his guilt is reduced.Dev can be a better guy but he really needs to work on it. The future seems uncertain and I really want to see some substantial growth in Dev's character. We all know he is caring, loving, and selfless but he can be much more.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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AWESOME post!! ❤️
Neha needs a friend .. that is so true.

I'm amazed and slightly disgusted that still, to date , no one went and asked her , what actually happened that night she left and came home? was it a fight or a stand off or an ultimatum ?

Was she mad at the occasion, at Ranveer's anger, or their whole marriage? Because it looks like an awful, ugly lovers tiff and both parties are very upset. Ranveer tried to reach out first but Neha was too angry to listen. She's very hurt , probably was belittled or made to feel small for wanting better.

Either way , the divorce papers was an ultimatum from Neha. Which Ranveer has thrown back in her face. He didn't persuade her and cajole her with love. He is even angrier than ever. Well, if you push a man into a corner, and force him to decide: his family or wife... Ranveer chose his family. Because he can't see himself being happy after abandoning his family.

EDIT : Is Neha asking for an apology or a heartfelt plea from Ranveer? Maybe she felt taken advantage of. Could it be that if Ranveer came off his high horse and actually asked her to please not leave him and he'll try harder to make her happy, she'd forgive him?

Dev didn't see the parallels. Ranveer stood man to man with him. They are same, self made men. One reached his success, the other on his way. Both men should be able to care for his family equally. Dixit family doesn't deserve their son more than Ranveer's family.

Being fair to Neha, if she truly wants out, fine. But she cant just go back to pre marriage situation. She must find her own path.

I can't help but wonder, if Neha had a business and her partner was her brother , would Ranveer have accepted Neha's income ?🤓

Sona is going there. She's already frustrated with the way everyone is handling the situation. I hope she doesn't get hurt in the process as well.
Edited by AnnzSageflower7 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Beautiful post Sam. 👏
From the moment Dev said I will talk with Ranveer and make everything ok and Ishwari gave her silent agreement I was looking forward to their conversation. And I was not disappointed. Ishwari and Dev are so used to taking decisions for the rest of the family with out taking it into account that they are not kids anymore. They are all grown up and should be made capable of making their own decisions and be responsible for it. But eventhough the Dixits talk they don't listen.

Both Dev and Ishwari are scared to face Neha because of their guilt. So it was easy to decide to talk to Ranveer. Ishwari doesn't really knows how Dev makes the deals. Otherwise she would never have sent Dev alone to tackle the problem. If they had asked for Mamaji's help he would never have allowed Dev to behave the way he did. And same like Ishwari, once he understood Ranveer cannot be tackled he decided that Neha doesn't need anyone except her family's love and support. He really knows Sona will never approve what he said and did there and put the entire blame on Ranveer's ego😆

I was expecting him to ask Sona to not get involved and was not disappointed again. To save the relationship she would be ready to face anything which cannot be said true for both Dev and Ishwari. They don't want to face the reality of their deeds in the past and will try to assuage their guilt by trying to give material comforts to Neha. That girls really needs someone who can make her understand what she wants and what can be done to achieve it. I really wish it is Sona. When the tables will be turned only Neha will be able to help her.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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The episode on Tuesday was even more interesting. Is Dev confusing stubbornness with Ego?
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Dev is also terrible at paraphrasing. He never relays the same information he received unaltered to another person without brushing it with the colour of his opinion. But that's not a new news.
If you look back and see every single thing Dev relayed to Ishwari or Sona that didn't come directly from the horse's mouth is completely different from what he was told.

Point in case, do you recall when Dev went to get Sona back after Sona's engagement broke? Sona said that she won't get back with him because she will never know if next time his mom asks him to dump her, he won't do the same. She was never in any consideration between mother and son.

Dev went back and paraphrased to Ishwari, Sona thinks that Ishwari gave in because of him and didn't accept her with her whole heart which prompted Ishwari to go to Bose house.

In which sense the both sentences are the same? Someone tell me that.

One says that you are tied to your mother in a way that doesn't leave any room for anyone else and the other says that if only your mother accepts me, then it's all good.

So I am not surprised that Sona is confused. Because she probably thinks if the Ranveer I met is the true Ranveer or the one Dev met. She has met a polite and respectful Ranveer but Dev apparently met a arrogant egotist.

But then again, some people just reflect who you are back to you. Sona was polite and respectful to Ranveer so that's who she met and Dev was arrogant and egotist to him, so he met the same guy.

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